Even a cursory look at the abuses of NSO spyware reported by CitizenLab reveals misuse by the thuggish governments it courts as clients. Journalists, activists and dissidents have all been targeted. In Mexico health activists advocating against the over consumption of sugary pop were targeted!
That's like people who say, "I don't have anything to hide, I've done nothing wrong." to which I reply, "Ok. Take your clothes off right now. Remove the curtains from your bedroom window and the door off of your bathroom." The look on their face is that of incredulity.
People have an expectation of privacy and need the ability to hide perfectly benign things in their lives. Most importantly, they should have the freedom to do so, even with electronic devices where they're conducting their lives in an ever increasing manner.
Shalev Hulio's argument is so bad that it actually makes me trust his company even less than I did before.
Almost 10 years go, Moxie Marlinspike published a great rebuttal to the "If you have nothing to hide" and "if your not a criminal" defenses of these kind of systems.
Not to mention that since he says the NSO doesn't have anything to do with how their system is used, he can't possibly assure anyone that if they aren't a criminal then they have nothing to fear.
The amount of obvious deception and doubletalk coming from them goes a long way to confirming that the NSO are not good guys.
Another simple test is to ask them to put their phone number somewhere public. The fact that people aren't even comfortable doing that which was considered normal and expected 25 years ago really destroys the credibility of the "nothing to hide" folks' arguments.
I have a lot of things to hide from criminals and little to hide from the police. I fear your metaphor is a fallacy...
If people dont want to be naked in public it s because they expect onlookers to abuse of their image to exploit it, there s an argument to say that the police isn't at risk of doing so.
I'm not saying you re wrong in principle, just that your easy fallacy is just that.
I don't want want anyone to know what I had for dinner last night. It doesn't mean it was something illegal or even out of the ordinary. It is just not anybody's business to know that.
Sure, let's start with the NSO CEO first! I'm sure there's nothing wrong with asking him to drop all his phone data, private messages, calls, to any state actor, right?
Completely agree. Every time someone says "I got nothing to hide" they should have to prove it by doxxing themselves. The argument will be over when they refuse to do it.
To be fair, your door is basically open to your government. If it wants to be in your house, it can be. If it wants to observe you unnoticed, it can. There is no winning against corrupt governments - other than getting rid of them. That being said, I want my government to help others to get rid of corrupt governments, and that should include actions against NSO.
The point is that it is indeed a criminally corrupt government that would enter your house without just probable cause. Concerning oneself with the implementation and maintenance of such principles of justice is wise even if you have “nothing to hide”. Pointing out that the government could barge through your door via heavily armed police or military is beside the point.
I’m not a criminal, but I’m afraid. Afraid that my information is going to be used to make decisions about me which I have no control over, or worse, given/shared with/leaked to private companies to do the same.
Yeah, that may be right when you live in a first word country, but why don't you try living in a third world country under the rule of the military where the law is only used to incriminate innocent people because they spoke up against the tyranny and corruption.
Here in Algeria, there are 200 [0] innocent people in prisons because they shared their opinions on the Interwebs. Being a criminal is no longer an excuse, dictators will do anything to stay in power, they don't care if what you're doing is illegal or not, they will silence any individual who stands in their way and you're providing them the means to do so.
A few years later, this kind of business will be outlawed. It's basically theft that's currently legal by taking advantage of the legal vacuum. In the name of pedofilia and terrorism the constant surveillance has become so pervasive that it won't be long before people will stop caring about those things , because living as a farmed animal gets really old after a while.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 126 ms ] threadAnother problem I have with it is civil rights (I believe in them).
So should Netanyahu be afraid ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#Criminal_in...
(so yeah, criminal investigation, so he's not a criminal until proven to be one, but anyway...)
https://thewire.in/world/dubai-princess-sheikh-latifa-pegasu...
People have an expectation of privacy and need the ability to hide perfectly benign things in their lives. Most importantly, they should have the freedom to do so, even with electronic devices where they're conducting their lives in an ever increasing manner.
Shalev Hulio's argument is so bad that it actually makes me trust his company even less than I did before.
Still one of the better rebuttals
https://www.wired.com/2013/06/why-i-have-nothing-to-hide-is-...
Do you see how contradictory that is? It is precisely due to privacy. You value your privacy, in order to avoid those things.
The amount of obvious deception and doubletalk coming from them goes a long way to confirming that the NSO are not good guys.
If people dont want to be naked in public it s because they expect onlookers to abuse of their image to exploit it, there s an argument to say that the police isn't at risk of doing so.
I'm not saying you re wrong in principle, just that your easy fallacy is just that.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/cops-st...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/us/lauren-mccluskey-utah-...
I fear your assumption that these groups are disjoint is a fallacy.
What a psychopath. So, that means we have not stolen anything then - we should leave all the doors of our homes open.
Like clockwork.
What they really do is provide the means for governments to assassinate journalists and dissidents.
Here in Algeria, there are 200 [0] innocent people in prisons because they shared their opinions on the Interwebs. Being a criminal is no longer an excuse, dictators will do anything to stay in power, they don't care if what you're doing is illegal or not, they will silence any individual who stands in their way and you're providing them the means to do so.
[0] https://www.algerian-detainees.org/