Submitted here because I can't email from my work computer

3 points by Kluny ↗ HN
In light of recent events, I think I am going to propose a motion, probably at our next upcoming meeting, about council communication expectations.

This thing where people say "Please don't speak to me again except through Renee" is hampering our ability to do business. As elected councilmembers, it is our responsibility to be available to communication from both residents, owners, and other councilmembers. If we're not, it becomes impossible to do our jobs.

Cooling off periods are necessary sometimes. Having a third party witness for a conversation that might get heated is also a good idea. Having emotionally loaded conversations via email or text is nearly always a bad idea. Acknowledging all these realities, I suggest the following, which is of course open to amendments.

First, the private emails chiding someone for their conduct in a meeting should not happen, ever. Such complaints should be added to the agenda and aired in front of everyone. The emails that I saw last night, reprimanding Alexa and Sarah, were inappropriate.

There was a strong implication that the author was speaking on behalf of council, or at least on behalf of Karin, when that was definitely not the case.

Second, the emails where someone publicly asks another councilmember not to speak to them again except through a third party are very confrontational. I understand the shock of finding an angry email in your inbox and the desire to prevent that from happening. But these "don't talk to me again" broadcast emails seem to be weaponized. I don't think we should do that anymore. We don't have a higher authority to appeal to. Renee is not our mom, she is our employee.

Instead, I suggest this phrasing.

"The current conversation is becoming too heated for email. Can we meet in person with another councilmember present?"

I suggest ending the email at the point, and resisting the temptation to add more personal attacks or digs.

If each party cannot, in good faith, meet face to face and have a genuine conversation to work through their problems, then I respectfully suggest that they are not temperamentally suited to this role, and should withdraw from council. I don't say this lightly - council is a lot of work and it's hard to get volunteers, and we all worry that no one else will step up if one of us steps down.

Even so, it's not worth it to anyone's mental health to stay in a relationship or role where they can't function and communicate with their team.

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Karin has mentioned that she doesn't want to see side chatter or factions forming. To an extent, I agree. I also know that it is very intimidating to present an idea that might be controversial without at least floating it past a couple of people to see whether it has any support - or better still, to get some help refining and improving the idea. I, for example, spoke to Melanie and Alexa before bringing bikes and elevators back onto the agenda. Alexa helped me see the other point of view (that bikes really do cause a lot of damage inside) and Melanie made a great suggestion about how bikers could take responsibility for that damage.

So I think that sidebar conversations will still happen. We might consider following these rules of conduct during those sidebars.

First, don't trash other people behind their back. Speak with the expectation that the person you're talking about will definitely hear about it.

Second, even as you expect that everything you say in private will be heard in public, maintain others' confidentiality. We don't have to repeat every bit of gossip we hear. Stating the obvious - if you breach someone's trust by repeating gossip to someone else, the person you told will not trust you anymore, and neither will the person who gave you the juice in the first place, once they hear about it.

The conflict we're having right now is embarrassing and I wish that it wasn't happening. It's distracting us from the legitimate business of council, and making the job way harder than it needs to be.

Even so, people have feelings, and those feelings are real and important. I think we have to address this just as we would address any other building malfunction, like a broken elevator or a messy recycling area. Please don't run away from this confrontation - lean into it and try to work together to find a peaceful resolution. Talk to the people who are getting on your nerves. Talk to each other, period. Be honest and vulnerable. Be real.

I'm not sure what the actual motion will be, but I'm ready to have some real conversations with folks and see what comes of it.

What in the actual fuck?
Look, my work computer has blocked everything from pastebin to dropbox and this was the only way could come up with to get it out. I can’t type something this long on my phone. Report it if you want.
You could type in a text file, plug your phone into your computer, transfer the text file onto the phone, then copy the message into an email on your phone.

Yikes.

In any case, there's no reason to leave this up, it's just embarrassing (especially to your coworkers if someone decided to do some digging and figure out who is who).

I can't plug my phone into my computer.

And this should already be deleted.