[–] pengaru 5y ago ↗ TL;DR: Jobs argues for permission dialog fatigue as a solution to privacy, audience applauds. [–] axiosgunnar 5y ago ↗ Funny, I thought this was a tongue-in-cheek comment, but it‘s literally what happens in the video. [–] xucheng 5y ago ↗ This is a rather sinister interpretation. I think what Jobs means is that privacy is about asking for consent repeatedly. Whenever there is a new way to use user’s data, a permission should be requested. [–] pengaru 5y ago ↗ Pessimistic or uncharitable, sure, but sinister? That doesn't even really make sense. [–] Voyvode 5y ago ↗ By today’s standards, apparently yes. Dialog fatigue (and dark patterns exploiting it) is an issue.But thinking the other way: If we are constantly asked for privacy-related permission, then it’s probably because something is seriously wrong today.Dialog fatigue is a symptom. Indiscriminate data hunger is the disease. [–] graftak 5y ago ↗ > make them tell you to stop askingThis is where it always takes goes wrong, hence the fatigue part.
[–] axiosgunnar 5y ago ↗ Funny, I thought this was a tongue-in-cheek comment, but it‘s literally what happens in the video.
[–] xucheng 5y ago ↗ This is a rather sinister interpretation. I think what Jobs means is that privacy is about asking for consent repeatedly. Whenever there is a new way to use user’s data, a permission should be requested. [–] pengaru 5y ago ↗ Pessimistic or uncharitable, sure, but sinister? That doesn't even really make sense.
[–] pengaru 5y ago ↗ Pessimistic or uncharitable, sure, but sinister? That doesn't even really make sense.
[–] Voyvode 5y ago ↗ By today’s standards, apparently yes. Dialog fatigue (and dark patterns exploiting it) is an issue.But thinking the other way: If we are constantly asked for privacy-related permission, then it’s probably because something is seriously wrong today.Dialog fatigue is a symptom. Indiscriminate data hunger is the disease.
[–] graftak 5y ago ↗ > make them tell you to stop askingThis is where it always takes goes wrong, hence the fatigue part.
[–] baal80spam 5y ago ↗ > I'm an optimist, I believe that people are smart.Well, this is where he was wrong. [–] fabianmg 5y ago ↗ Also, he was basically lying and saying what the audience wanted to hear.He said multiple times during his lifetime on design and usability that you give the people what they need not what they want.
[–] fabianmg 5y ago ↗ Also, he was basically lying and saying what the audience wanted to hear.He said multiple times during his lifetime on design and usability that you give the people what they need not what they want.
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[ 7.8 ms ] story [ 33.0 ms ] threadBut thinking the other way: If we are constantly asked for privacy-related permission, then it’s probably because something is seriously wrong today.
Dialog fatigue is a symptom. Indiscriminate data hunger is the disease.
This is where it always takes goes wrong, hence the fatigue part.
Well, this is where he was wrong.
He said multiple times during his lifetime on design and usability that you give the people what they need not what they want.