Similar chaos happened during Bush to Obama transition and now in Afghanistan. I assume government transition for a country which invaded yours is always a red flag.
This is horrible, America didn't support our veterans of this boondoggle, now we're allowing this? Seriously, I'm no longer proud of the time I served in our military, I bear it as a mark of shame now because after these 20 years it seems my service helped to do more harm than good. Shameful. This country should immediately send in rescuers, I don't care if it takes all of the special forces, we need to extract these people now.
I'll be writing everyone I know, all my reps in government. Everyone should do the same.
What a disaster. We could have pulled out after the "Mission Accomplished" banner and had the same result. Instead, 20 years later, we have 2,400 Americans dead, 20,000 wounded, $3+ Trillion spent, and the unanswered question of what exactly they sacrificed so much for.
I won't comment too much on the politics of this as it's almost certainly going to incite a flame war, but I'd like to acknowledge that regardless of whether you think this was the right decision or not, we are now living with the consequences of that, which includes the grim reality that people that helped the United States are stranded in a hostile environment as a result of our policies. Some will survive/escape, many will die.
The Hazara will be persecuted. Women will be delegated back to being second class citizens. Some of these women who've never known what that was like, where they've gone to university and held real jobs and weren't just objects for child bearing, will go back to being derided and having no rights. Afghan men perhaps didn't do enough to fight for this, but the women certainly can't be held accountable here, but they'll be the ones to suffer the most.
I'm deeply saddened by what's happened and I can only hope that anyone that wants to get out can.
>The Hazara will be persecuted. Women will be delegated back to being second class citizens.
The Taliban has indicated that they have no intention of doing either of those things. In their address they explicitly stated they would protect minorities and womens rights to education.
While I don't personally support their governance, the previous government of Afghanistan was nothing more than a vassle state of the US/western occuption riddled with corruption. It was a literal blackhole where governments would dump money with very little effort to be traced, and wage proxy wars. I am glad that government has collapsed. I pray for peace for my countrymen, and I do hope the Taliban stick to their word, and bring peace to the wartorn nation. Do not forget that our media is riddled with propaganda. Their efforts over the past decade to remove the puppet government and have peace talks with the occupying forces give me some hope that things have changed. At the end of the day the US and western nations never belonged in that country, and the Afghan peoples destiny is better left in their own hands. May God be with them.
there are plenty of reports of girls being forcibly taken from houses (to be married to fighters), plenty of footage of dead men in the streets (corroborators), pictures of Western iconography being removed, or painted over and plenty of footage of people trying their dammed to escape before the Taliban turns up.
That last one is for me the biggest giveaway. People dont leave their homes behind easily.
>>> The Taliban has indicated that they have no intention of doing either of those things. In their address they explicitly stated they would protect minorities and womens rights to education.
And they have always held up their word ... /s
To take a well known example, they had said they would not destroy the Bamiyan Buddhas, but they went back on that also. So you cannot believe whatever they say.
They are stranded because the Afghan Army was worse than a papertiger and so every plan made to evacuate people assumed weeks to do so in an orderly fashion, which turned out to be, what, a week?
Much to what the opposition propoganda will have you believe that she's deporting people which is the opposite of the truth with deportations down to record lows since labour days
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[ 2.0 ms ] story [ 45.3 ms ] threadI'll be writing everyone I know, all my reps in government. Everyone should do the same.
I feel for the civilians, but there are those who are worse of (NK, women in Saudi Arabia).
The Hazara will be persecuted. Women will be delegated back to being second class citizens. Some of these women who've never known what that was like, where they've gone to university and held real jobs and weren't just objects for child bearing, will go back to being derided and having no rights. Afghan men perhaps didn't do enough to fight for this, but the women certainly can't be held accountable here, but they'll be the ones to suffer the most.
I'm deeply saddened by what's happened and I can only hope that anyone that wants to get out can.
The Taliban has indicated that they have no intention of doing either of those things. In their address they explicitly stated they would protect minorities and womens rights to education.
While I don't personally support their governance, the previous government of Afghanistan was nothing more than a vassle state of the US/western occuption riddled with corruption. It was a literal blackhole where governments would dump money with very little effort to be traced, and wage proxy wars. I am glad that government has collapsed. I pray for peace for my countrymen, and I do hope the Taliban stick to their word, and bring peace to the wartorn nation. Do not forget that our media is riddled with propaganda. Their efforts over the past decade to remove the puppet government and have peace talks with the occupying forces give me some hope that things have changed. At the end of the day the US and western nations never belonged in that country, and the Afghan peoples destiny is better left in their own hands. May God be with them.
there are plenty of reports of girls being forcibly taken from houses (to be married to fighters), plenty of footage of dead men in the streets (corroborators), pictures of Western iconography being removed, or painted over and plenty of footage of people trying their dammed to escape before the Taliban turns up.
That last one is for me the biggest giveaway. People dont leave their homes behind easily.
And they have always held up their word ... /s
To take a well known example, they had said they would not destroy the Bamiyan Buddhas, but they went back on that also. So you cannot believe whatever they say.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/more-afghan-interpreters-...
Much to what the opposition propoganda will have you believe that she's deporting people which is the opposite of the truth with deportations down to record lows since labour days