Help 30yo “boomer” fit into hipster working culture

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Please do not dismiss me as a bad person right away, here is the thing: Not sure if I am just old-fashioned or a boomer in the body of 30 year old, but I have trouble fitting in modern IT hipster working environment. I tried to solve this by working in the companies with less progressive approach to work, but it is inevitable that hipsters will start joining my present company too. Note that I do not hate them. I just feel I have problem to fit in, because my mindset is different. And it's not just about the age, I've met many people that are older than me with the behavior described in the following points:

What I like: - Supportive mindset - Flexibility, willingness to use latest technologies - Easy to have small talk with

My struggles: - Massive amounts of soy lattes, excessive friendliness that seems almost fake. - MacBook obsession aka "I think we should all use MacBooks, they are best and it creates nice unified vibe..." - They want to change the world, engage in activism but are less willing to change their own toxic behavior and/or character. - Seemingly random working time, daily alcohol or drug consumption that affects work performance => mood swings - Unable to use email, if someone (client ,colleague) refuses to use Slack it's insurmountable problem. - Spending lot of money at Barber's and for avocado toasts, complaining about no money for rent (I think here I have some common ground :) )

Note that I don't judge someone for being like this, I understand that world is changing and so does the work culture. I am just honestly looking for a way to fit in and find a way to effectively cooperate with these people. Any suggestion are welcome!

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A few of the struggles you mentioned were a matter of lifestyle choices (e.g., soy lattes, haircuts, avocado toast).

My question is, “Why do you care what other people spend money on?”

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Boomers don't use email. They say "just pick up the phone"
> Massive amounts of soy lattes,

Don't drink them.

> excessive friendliness that seems almost fake.

Don't look for meaningful connections at work if they aren't there.

> MacBook obsession aka "I think we should all use MacBooks, they are best and it creates nice unified vibe..."

Use a MacBook if you have to. Don't use one if you don't have to and don't want to.

> They want to change the world, engage in activism but are less willing to change their own toxic behavior and/or character.

Sounds like hobbies mixing with work. Try to stay out of it. If your current environment is indeed toxic, look for another one.

> Seemingly random working time, daily alcohol or drug consumption that affects work performance => mood swings

Up to them. Leave it to management to determine if that's a problem and then take action.

> Unable to use email, if someone (client ,colleague) refuses to use Slack it's insurmountable problem.

Again, up to management to sort out.

> Spending lot of money at Barber's and for avocado toasts, complaining about no money for rent

If they want to spend dollar on fresh cuts and avocado toast that's up to them. Not your problem, or your business!

Facts aside, I understand where you're coming from. It sounds like you feel out of place, and that's a bit rubbish. Not much you can do aside from:

- Join them! Get a fresh cut, eat avocado toast, and embrace the MacBook.

- or, find a different environment where you are a better fit.

- or, continue feeling like an outsider at work.

Remember - work doesn't have to be a second home. A job's a job's a job's a job.

Yeah up until the list of grievances I was thinking this was a serious post, but I’m guessing it’s a very lame attempt at trolling. These aren’t genuine workplace complaints, just caricatures of millennials who are probably in their 30s themselves.
If you’re honestly looking for a really 9-5 and old school feel to your day to day, go join an old defense contractor (ex: Northrop, Lockheed). Very old schoool working practices (including equipment) and the cleared side of things requires no drugs so it self selects for the type of straight edge 9-5 folks you might be more comfortable around.
Are you truly annoyed by them? If so, that’s a you problem. Only person that can fix that is you.

Or are you just bored by them? If so, I can see how it can be annoying to take part in their boring culture. Younger people are always going to be in that pretentious/vain phase of their life, so what. It’s boring to deal with if you’ve already dealt with it. They have every right to go through that phase like everyone else.

But hey, that’s life, especially at work. A never-ending mixing of people you have nothing in common with other than work. That’s why it’s called a job, you get paid to deal with it.

Also, 30 is not a boomer. It’s somewhat the tail-end of being a millennial (the original pretentious douche bags). You have also self-labeled yourself into a group you don’t belong in, I don’t know, I guess that makes you cool or something.

Just get some avocado toast and chill out.

Totally agree with kowlo.

FWIW, I see nothing particularly "boomer" in your description of yourself.

> daily alcohol or drug consumption

I don't think you know what some Boomers were like when they were young?

A young Boomer would have been used to a heavy drinking and smoking culture. Eg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-martini_lunch . Watch the old TV shows and see how much office drinking there was.

Other popular drugs for young Boomers included methaqualone (Quaalude), methamphetamine, and of course LSD and marijuana.

Steve Jobs, for example, used both LSD and marijuana. ("Taking LSD was a profound experience, one of the most important things in my life.")

Apple was full of young Boomers. And many drug users. Bill Atkinson in https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor... writes: "Inspired by a mind-expanding LSD journey in 1985, I designed the HyperCard authoring system that enabled non-programmers to make their own interactive media."

At the same time, there were people who didn't fit into that Boomer culture, like the story at https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor... . (Though the interviewee may have been 'Greatest Generation.)

(Of course, Jack Kerouac was also a 'Greatest Generation' member, and just take a look at "On the Road" to get a sense that broad generational characterizations like I just made are too simplistic.)

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Have you tried minding your own business? Stop being butthurt about your colleagues' latte preferences and pay attention to the job.