I'm sure we all thank the FCC for its gracious permission here.
> In 2016, in response to an ARRL petition for rulemaking, the FCC proposed to remove the symbol rate limitations, which it tentatively concluded had become unnecessary due to advances in modulation techniques and no longer served a useful purpose. That proceeding, WT Docket 16-239, is still pending.
I'm certainly grateful that the custodians of such a valuable public resource as "radio communication" are taking such a deliberate, measured approach to their jobs. Just imagine the horror and chaos that could descend if we allowed higher bandwith digital comms over these frequencies... People might send porn!
(This is sarcastic, in case the bots need the hint)
Presumably for the same reason that GPS time signals had (have?) pseudorandom noise added: to prevent an adversary from using your own systems to steer missiles with high precision.
GPS uses PN codes for the timing difference measurement, as well as allowing multiple satellites on a single channel. I believe the dithering (selective availability) was turned off years ago, thus the L2 channel ads only ionospheric correction (which can also be accomplished with local sources).
The FCC symbol rate limitation needs to go. It’s a hindrance on HAM radio. Just regulate it by bandwidth, or better yet EIRP PSD, but that would be tough to control.
Yes, Selective Availability was turned off in 2000 and will never be re-enabled. In fact, the latest generation of GPS satellites do not even support Selective Availability: https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/sa/
PRN (Pseudorandom noise) in the context of GPS is just a coding standard - it's just CDMA (aka Spread Spectrum) and it allows all satellite to use the same frequency. A side benefit is that the signals can be below the noise floor, and when you apply the gain from decoding, it rises the signal above the noise floor (exactly like how you can pick out a voice in a crowded bar if you know what that voice sounds like).
There's very limited bandwidth available on most of the ham radio bands and other users don't want people taking up large chunks of bandwidth with wide, high-bitrate data signals and making the bands unusable for everyone else.
To get one of the big things out of the way: bandwidth. The FCC don't want anyone taking up big chunks of spectrum without using a license or service appropriate to that use. Notably, they don't want a few users to be able to chew up entire bands.
But there's a philosophical part to the discussion also. The tradeoff goes like this: hams get some really nice spectrum assignments, low fees, self-regulation, experimental modes and techniques, etc. In exchange, they can't use the amateur radio service commercially or for non-personal aims, and specifically they are expected to focus mostly on learning, community interaction, public service, experimentation, and so on. They also want amateur modes to be somewhat approachable, i.e. not requiring exotic or expensive hardware, necessarily.
Should an operator wish to use the radio spectrum for commercial or highly productive use, especially one requiring significant bandwidth, secrecy, exclusivity, etc, they are expected to use a different license / service more appropriate to those needs.
Basically:
Tinkering, chit-chat, community service, narrow bandwidths => amateur radio
Anything else => get a different license
To that end it was long the FCC's stance that high symbol rates sort of implied that you're going outside the purposes of the amateur radio service. With digital communication having developed as much as it has, though, it's reasonable that hams want to be able to do more interesting things with digital modes, which generally means higher symbol rates.
I’m wondering if you could legalese around it since a PRN is a chip, not a symbol, as the former has no information. So one could spread a low symbol rate into a high chip rate.
An interesting twist to the regulations is that you're not allowed to use ham radio as a substitute for cell service. I never quite understood this rule, nor how it was to be enforced; but it would seem to place some limits on the permissible chit-chat.
The big limitation is no encryption. So it's only a substitute for cell service if you're ok with being on a big party line with everybody else in the vicinity.
47 CFR 97.113 Prohibited transmissions,
(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
(5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services.
The FCC has a perfectly good part 22 service for cell phones.
Or FCC part 73 regulates "old fashioned broadcast radio"
Per 97.1 (a) thru (e) explain the purpose of amateur radio but it boils down to something like a national park, sorta. The purpose of the service is NOT to avoid existing regulation.
"on a regular basis" means experiment as much as possible, for free, non-professionally, as a ham, but if you try to set up a formal cell phone company business for the public just like AT&T, and try to tell the FCC you prefer being regulated under part 97 and pay only $35 for a license, the FCC will be very very very mad at you, wave 47 cfr 97.113(a)(5) at you, then regulate you under part 22.
The FCC has nothing against people building broadcast radio services; but if you try to demand they regulate your public broadcast FM radio service under part 97 rules, the FCC is warning you they will absolutely insist on regulating and charging you under part 73 rules...
> Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services.
I guess this was the bit I had in mind. It means that one can’t use amateur radio for what a cell phone is normally used for, doesn’t it? Like calling your ham friends to make arrangements for poker night. Or is that the wrong interpretation?
Note you can run a business on a cell phone or do financial transactions or speak swear words or all kinds of things common carriers supposedly don't care about but would be banned on ham radio. Also ham radio has no SLA or mandatory 911 access like a phone. Consider... if you are a casino operator and you're trying to book hotel rooms for these guys to play poker night at your casino, that would be forbidden under part 97 because its a business and part 97 isn't for business use.
Its definitely an intent based situation. "Fooling around with radio technology while having convos of a non-commercial personal nature to promote international goodwill and gain radio operating experience" is literally what part 97 was designed for, and fits the poker game example perfectly. "We built a nationwide cellphone network but forgot to budget for FCC licensing fees so we'll reprogram to use ham radio freqs and lie to the FCC and tell them its a part 97 ham radio, while we sell it to the general public as a cell phone" would be quite stunningly illegal because it would be perfectly reasonable to operate a commercial cell phone network under existing FCC regulations for commercial cell phone providers, and its done on a regular basis by the famous big name nationwide cell phone services every day...
Service. In the sense of serving!? My two FM episodes, 25 years apart, were service. Not for regulatory purposes. To those, we but poor wee pirates were, and remain.
I've heard this several times about ham radio, and to me as an outsider the idea of shared access to the medium is a bit off-putting to me.
Is it possible to have two-way links "in the clear" but otherwise encoded or ciphered? Is there a regulation that says all transmissions must be in English, for example, or can I transmit in Esperanto/Navajo/hex?
You can speak whatever language you want on the air so long as you identify every ten minutes and at the end of your transmission. The ITU regulations for radio call signs cover their format however and use the Latin alphabet. Call books are also public so anyone can look up the stations and know who you are.
Speaking in shorthand to be clear and concise over the radio is fine. Even using terms of art or abbreviations is likely fine. If you're explicitly coding your communication to obfuscate its meaning you're definitely going to run afoul on the ban of encryption.
Part of the reason for no encryption on ham bands is there's precious little bandwidth available and unintelligible signals (intentionally obfuscated) are tantamount to interference. As a listener I can't reasonably tell if an encrypted signal is noise or a genuine call. I also can't reasonably receive a call sign so I can't know who is transmitting.
Truly. I have philosophical problems with the existence of the FCC but there's a great deal of interesting and educational discussion to be had here.
At the risk of delving further into conspiracy theory I suspect that may be a reason its downvoted; because there's room for debate. There's currently a lot of feeling that once the government is involved debate must be silenced.
I didn't downvote it, but I strongly suspect it was because of the sarcasm, the meta-sarcasm, and ultimately the unwillingness to believe that interesting opposing arguments might exist. That is, the post didn't encourage interesting and educational discussion, just derision. The merit of the resulting conversation was despite the initial post, not because of it.
Fcc part 97.101 "General Standards" (d):
"No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal."
Pitiful we have to encode "the golden rule" of treat others like you'd have them treat you into law, but here we are its in the CFR.
As of 2021 no one has a technological answer to how to avoid various wide band digital technologies from interference against, well, absolutely everything else currently in use, without forcing everyone to operate in a channelized system with massive international coordination problems. The international part is a nightmare, what if, I donno, Bulgaria refuses to channelize? Nothing will work for anyone unless everyone cooperates.
Wideband digital modes do NOT play well with others.
There are channelized bands around 5 mhz (in the usa) and the FCC does relax quite a bit on wide open microwave bands, but people are going to request turning all of 20 meters into one single user digital channel, and to hell with everyone else currently using the band, apparently into infinity. Its an eternal meme.
I guess the best analogy I can come up with, is you can zone land as a public park for people to picnic, but that doesn't mean the land is completely lawless, if you blast your music at 160 dB the police will arrest you for preventing everyone else from enjoying their picnic.
We easily right now have the technological ability to turn the 20M band into a single channel, single user, very high speed digital path at 1500 watts. But that's a terrible idea, given the zillions of current users, local and international, who would be kicked off completely unable to operate.
> The Commission's proposed changes differed from the ARRL's initial filing and caused the ARRL to be concerned about possible interference to current users resulting from the deletion of the ARRL's requested 2.8 kHz bandwidth limitation. Due to those concerns the League filed comments with the FCC opposing the deletion of the requested bandwidth.
The ARRL is asking the FCC to not drop the rule entirely.
There are some papers on wideband / high speed HF communication techniques. Most applications are basically backup for military applications when satellite communication fails.
I think it's an interesting topic, but with mesh networks and satellites, HF high speed links are not as relevant.
What do you mean? I ask as a ham myself..I took my exam [remotely] in 2020. So far all of my contacts in my area have been pretty warm greetings. I generally get the impression that existing hams like seeing new hams pop up.
That said, I live in a very rural area, and imagine that more congested areas(cities) might be less welcoming of new traffic.
> and imagine that more congested areas(cities) might be less welcoming of new traffic.
I live right next door to a very large metropolitan area and the advantage is that there is a lot of diversity in terms of who is on the air. I have 50 repeaters programmed into my dual-band radio and almost all of them some kind of regular activity from weekly nets to casual drive-time QSOs. Lots of older retired gentlemen of course but plenty of other stuff going on too.
(Not a ham - but thinking of becoming one): Are you referring to the exam, or something else?
I find entrance exams are almost always orthogonal to actual performance (like tech interviews). I think it should be limited to verifying an understanding of safety and the law only. Everything else can be quickly and easily looked up if needed. If I make a fool of myself on the air that's on me.
Say we limit the exam to subelements G0 (Safety), G1 (Commission's Rules), G2 (Operating Procedures), and G4 (Amateur Radio Practices). What's the downside? Why are we asking people about Digital circuits; amplifiers and oscillators (G7B), Analog and digital integrated circuits (ICs); memory; I/O devices; microwave ICs (MMICs); display devices; connectors; ferrite cores (G6B), etc? I agree it's useful information, but if all I want to do is operate my radio, why gatekeep on this other knowledge? Is my incomplete understanding blinding me?
Do it! I used "Ham Radio Prep"(google, it's the first result). It was really informative for me. They have a linear lesson plan with videos/tests to help you learn what you need, and then retain that information. After it was done, I felt very prepared for the exam, and the actual exam went very smoothly. As a side effect, I learned a lot about RF that I was ignorant of in the past, and thoroughly enjoyed the entire process. Can't recommend getting into amateur radio enough, it was one of those moments where I realized there was a giant gap in my general how-radio-works knowledge.
The nerd in me finds the idea of knowing how to operate a radio vaguely appealing, but once you can do so and are licensed, what do you actually do with it? Just like, talk to a couple other guys about... what they had for lunch today? Is it just a way to communicate with people? Once you've invested the hours and money, what do you have on the other side? I ask this question entirely out of ignorance, sincerely I mean no malice with this.
> talk to a couple other guys about... what they had for lunch today?
Sometimes we talk about the weather, haha. The most common time I use my radio is during bad weather, especially if there are tornado warnings nearby. There are [tornado] spotters using the same local repeater in our area, and sometimes it can be comforting to hear them report a tornado is moving away from you, or dissipating. Otherwise, I think we don't have much to talk about until there is an emergency of some kind.
One thing I like isn't something you need a license to do, but a radio is a great way to listen to existing traffic outside the bands a normal "scanner" would supply. Everything from drive-thru speakers to casino security uses VHF/UHF frequencies, so with a decent dual band handheld you can listen to everything, which can be amusing sometimes.
Another fun bit, is you can look up registered/reserved frequencies on the FCC website. You can't [legally] broadcast on these, but it can be interesting to see all these reserved frequencies and listen in. Sometimes you'll hear chatter among commercial farmers, other times electrical linemen...it's a mixed bag. I also tune into the local county/city emergency frequencies from time to time. I live in a very small rural area, so if you hear sirens, typically I can turn on my radio and alternate between the fire/police/ems frequencies and find out what the sirens were for.
there's a lot of variety out there. you can spend your entire ticket dorking out on digital modes (esp if you go for general+ and have access to lower bands) like FT8, FT4, Olivia, WSPR [0] to see how far out you can get on as little power as possible and so on.
Or if you want to ease into it, you can get a ham radio w/o a license, or cheap SDR and try to receive and decode weather sats, etc [1]
making tiny WSPR boards and things like APRS [2] interest me more than ragchewing or nets on 40 or 80 meters most of the time
forgot my favorite, amateur SSTV (analog baby!) - can see some analog and hybrid (easylink over internet.. cheating) http://www.g0hwc.com/
I just finished running the Hood to Coast relay race (https://hoodtocoast.com). One of my team's runners followed someone else down the wrong fork of the road, and ended up miles off course in an area with zero cell phone coverage. The volunteer hams helping with emergency communications for the race were critical for coordinating the search. We made sure they didn't have to pay for their own beer at the finish line party.
1) Helped someone launch, track and recover a high-altitude balloon. We used APRS on the 2M band as the primary mode of tracking. You can see balloons in the air right now at https://tracker.habhub.org/
2) Carry in and set up a low-power radio and antenna at a riverfront park, then make contacts with people at home and at other parks. You can read more about that at https://parksontheair.com/ . I'm hoping to try a mountain instead of a park soon, see https://www.sota.org.uk/
3) Get up at odd hours of the night to try to make contact with amateurs in Hawaii on some bands and modes I haven't used to communicate with that state yet. I'm tracking this for my worked all states award from the ARRL, and did it recently because it was the https://www.hawaiiqsoparty.org/. that's an example of one of the many contests that exist in amateur radio.
4) Listen in on a regional HF net taking reports about conditions in areas affected by Hurricane Ida and relaying them to govt agencies as appropriate.
5) Listen in on a local 2M repeater where I heard other hams discussing their lives and hobbies related and unrelated to amateur radio.
The reason to gatekeep on that knowledge is because the Amateur license is unique in giving you the legal authority to design and build your own transmitters and antennas, and to operate on dozens of bands from 135 kHz to 275 GHz and up, at powers up to 1500 watts. If you just want to operate a store-bought radio, there are much easier ways to go about it, e.g., MURS, GMRS, FRS, CB.
Also the Technician-class ham license has an easier test than the General-class one linked above. It's certainly reasonable to start with that one.
There is never a legitimate reason to gatekeep knowledge.
Every time I hear this pearl clutching from hams I like to remind them that the biggest threat to their hobby isn't rouge transmitters and antennas or someone stepping on their transmission - but nobody giving a shit about them anymore.
If you keep new people from entering the hobby it will completely die off and eventually all that spectrum will be reallocated to useful things like cellular.
Yes, it’s a lot like fireworks as a hobby. Everyone has easy and open access to the basics ie walkie-talkie/bottle rockets, it’s only the higher powered versions that require a license.
That's fair, and yet the exam doesn't seem to differentiate on what I want to work on. If I don't know about how ICs work or can't exactly remember what the speed of light is, should that prevent me from getting a license? What if I'm mostly interested in SDR? Should that prevent me from being part of the safety net that hams claim to provide? What about participating in other aspects of the hobby, like DX, general socializing, operating a relay, communicating with space hardware, etc?
I guess I'm unclear what the concrete value of gatekeeping on sections other than the ones I listed are.
Most SDRs are RX only so there's zero need for a license for them. As for the other points, the Technician license is super easy and you can pass it with minimal study.
If you can't pass the Technician exam, you'd actually be hard pressed to meaninvcully participate in those activities you listed. If you don't know the regulations around operating a repeater how are you going to operate a repeater? If you don't understand just a little about radio propagation how are you going to actually do any DXing or communicate with space hardware?
Ham licenses exist because radio transmissions affect other people and not just yourself. If you don't know what you're doing to can keep me, your neighbor, from participating in the hobby because your TX power is too high or your antenna is just an untuned jamming device.
I keep hearing this meme but think it's either overblown, or used as an excuse to avoid the hobby just because they are outside of the typical ham radio demographic.
I got my license a few years ago and nearly everyone I've ever interacted with has been friendly and willing to help if I need it. Yes, there are asshats on the air, just like there are asshats on the Internet and everywhere else. You just don't talk to them.
I'm not going to say that it doesn't happen, but, honestly, most of the folks who I've met in my journey with Amateur radio are folks who are truly excited about RF and who want to share their knowledge in the hobby to others.
They're gatekeeping so you don't drown out their conversations with their friends by radiating kilowatts of noise because you think it's cool (or make money that way). Like what happened to Usenet as the internet got commercialized.
It's just history and regulatory inertia. The rules were established when digital radio was nascent and available technology limited the modulation techniques that were feasible. Digital on some bands is regulated on bandwidth; the 70 cm band has a bandwidth limit of 100 kilohertz for "unspecified digital codes."
The 70 cm rule is the silliest. The limit for digital data is 100 kHz, but you can legally transmit 6 MHz wide analog television. Because wide bandwidth video is allowed, digital video modes like DVB-S, DVB-T and ATSC are also allowed. To get around the 100 kHz restriction for data, some folks are running links with 95% data and a low rate video sub-stream.
There are some content regulations so transmitting "in the clear" for all to read is generally demanded by the .gov.
Groundwave HF paths technologically don't have much of a symbol rate limit. You could talk from ND to SD using a quite fast symbol rate as long as its a groundwave path under 25 miles or so. There are limits, but they're huge.
Skywave "ionosphere bounce" paths have massive multipath issues although slow enough symbol rates can make it thru without too much intersymbol interference. These paths are worldwide.
Even with existing limits, its quite trivial to transmit a modulation that has too fast of a symbol rate for skywave / international paths.
I guess I'm just pointing out the existing rate limits are "too high" often for international communication. You could turn 10M into some kind of short range local wifi I suppose, but all anyone more than a hundred miles away would hear would be noise / interference due to intersymbol interference and multipath.
Supposedly, in my grandpa's day, the government regulated modulation method to a precise detailed level so if you're only allowed to transmit 45 baud ITU2 encoded rtty FSK, specifying a dozen of one or 12 of another is the same thing, just depends how you say it. Then they removed detailed mode regulation "do what you want, grandfathering in existing users".
Regulation can take awhile to change with the times. Again, supposedly in my grandpa's day, wattmeters were not accurate enough to be useful so the government regulated DC input power because voltmeters and ammeters are accurate enough for a ballpark guess. See also peak power vs "peak envelope power" aka PEP measurements for analog single sideband voice. So bringing it back around, at one point symbol rate was a reasonable proxy for old fashioned rtty fsk bandwidth regulation.
They should figure out how to rework the regulations to limit bandwidth, not baud. The intent is to keep a few amateur radio operators from hogging a ton of the very limited HF spectrum. If somebody can figure out how to cram more data into a small slice of bandwidth, more power to them.
"In 2016, in response to an ARRL petition for rulemaking, the FCC proposed to remove the symbol rate limitations, which it tentatively concluded had become unnecessary due to advances in modulation techniques and no longer served a useful purpose. That proceeding, WT Docket 16-239, is still pending."
Not to get political, but it’s exactly this that makes me wonder if people understand what socialized services will turn into. Do people want DMV-like experiences for _more_ aspects of life?
If you make a service universal you don't have to have that much paperwork. Hell of a lot easier to run a service based on "everyone gets it and we tax richer people more, since they also get it".
Imagine if more services worked like a library rather than the DMV (granted libraries I guess check your address?). Imagine if going to a hospital involved checking your symptoms and not having to negotiate down prices. Imagine everyone having a ~0 cost bank account at the post office. Imagine having any form of recourse beyond posting to a forum thread for an administrative issue.
And you do know that DMVs are miserable because they don't have the budget to be properly staffed right? The pain is self-inflicted. We could give money to governments without profit motives, or we can give money to corporations with profit motives. If it's a service that we actually want in society, the answer seems obvious to me.
The problem is in the incentives of the people who run the service.
Commercial: We run the service for our own profit, so we do all we can for the service to be attractive: fast, easy, affordable enough but not too cheap. We'll walk an extra mile to serve a customer because it will attract more. In a pinch, we might consider using a dark pattern, but we're wary of the potential bad press.
Socialized governmental: We run our service because the state has hired us for that. Some of us see it as a noble way tp serve the public, but most of us are here for the stable salary, benefits, future pension, and a regulated workplace. We're not earning nearly as much as the commercial folks (or we are unionized and earn something closer to the commercial folks). We work by instruction, and instructions explicitly lack any extra mile provisions. We have no need to work faster, or harder, or otherwise do more work when we can do less work without breaking the instructions. BTW if the government pays us too little, we won't hesitate to go on strike; the service will cease temporarily; sorry guys.
Yes, people working in a business are all go-getters who are definitely not just there for the paycheck like those smelly public workers.
Everything you listed could apply in both directions (you think companies don't have incentives to push down worker wages to poverty wages? You think that motivates workers to actually provide good service?) And no, companies (especially larger ones) aren't sitting around thinking about how to make products cheaper for the end user. They're thinking about how to increase their own profits! No capitalist is like "wow I really wish I could offer this at cost".
Incentive structures exist in all places, this is why you can have things like public support for teacher's strikes, tax increases, etc. Because people actually think about this stuff holistically and don't just rely on trite platitudes that they heard from their local libertarian and projecting their own selfishness on everyone else.
Employees may be there for the check only in either case.
The top brass, though, have distinctly different incentives, and this influences how they motivate line workers, and how they structure the service.
BTW large incumbent corporations suffer often from the same disease, because, like with the government, their clients have no effective choice anyway, no need to woo them.
With teachers it's a bit special: just making the conscious effort to become a teacher is a rather strong filter. Similar with librarians, for instance. This is not the same for most governmental clerical services.
Commercial: We are acquired by a large corporation who then destroys the competition by dumping, before axing any "extra mile" and optimizing (skyrocketing) the prices.
Just renewed two licenses and two registrations at the "DMV" of my state. Actually just involved going to a kiosk at the grocery store, it took 10 minutes and was completely painless. On the other hand, the private trash company who provides service at my new house still hasn't refunded an overage from 4 months ago after several hours on hold and 4? 5? calls now..
Having terrible service at the DMV is a funding decision, not a necessity, and there's absolutely no guarantee that 'private' actors will be any better.
This is a non-sequitur; an FCC rule-making is not providing a service like the DMV, it’s lawmaking. Deliberate and thoughtful is not a bad way to make laws.
I've had a number of "cordial debates" with crusty old hams on this subject. The old guard is still very much hung up on the Old Way. Change scares a lot of the people who learned on expensive vaccum tube systems before the hobby was more broadly accessible. Things like high baudrate, bandwidth negotiation, spread spectrum and encryption scare the pants off of them regardless of the fact that the bands are mostly empty.
"bandwidth negotiation" - HF paths are often unidirectional in the sense that you can interfere with station A without station B being able to hear. You can easily interfere with people you can't hear and autonegotiation mean you're autojamming without being aware of it. Not an issue with "human in the loop" modes. No application layer need for it anyway.
"spread spectrum" - See above, plus raising the noise floor means the death of entire weak signal modes.
"encryption" - Absolutely no need. Would be death of ham radio. Why bother with cheap ham radio licenses if you can just transmit anything you want but encrypted.
"the bands are mostly empty" Buy a better antenna LOL.
Bandwidth negotiation - you can already interfere in the same way without it. This is also true of any radio communication, ELF or EHF
Spread spectrum - yes but has the ability to not significantly interfere with any single other link, can obviously otherwise be kept out of the tiny segment for weak digital or otherwise confined to sub bands
Encryption - this one's my favorite: the hardware is already common, if this argument were true then ham would already be dead. If someone is being abusive they don't give their call anyway and we hunt them with DF the way we always have.
Bands - have you seen 17m to light?
Tldr we have coexisted by being neighborly for over 100 years. New technologies won't add or remove the underlying need for being neighborly. We can therefore play with the new toys if we continue to uphold those principles as we always have.
Bandwidth negotiation - Uh, no. Human in the loop with ears can hear a complaint of interference and stop or adjust. Autonegotiation just turns up the power until the victim can't use the service anymore. RF is not a phone line. Note that we have legal things like RSID mode detection, which is not autonegotiation. Autonegotiation is a great technology for military anti-jamming purposes, not ham radio.
Spread spectrum - The coding gain from SS varies with the bandwidth spread across, so SS over a narrow enough channel... isn't even SS anymore. That said we seem to agree that VHF and up there's plenty of space to channelize and regulate by frequency. What does anyone gain from it other than it interferes with anything else in its channel?
Encryption - You haven't explained why its needed. "I can't talk to you, you can't talk to me" isn't very neighborly or ham radio friendly. So its not needed and only provides downsides. Emcom is difficult enough without everyone not sharing secret keys. What part 97.1 "basis and purpose" section does secretive private transmissions benefit? I mean, if it was useful for some ham radio purpose, sure sounds cool go for it. Encryption is certainly very useful for non-ham-radio purposes, but then by definition it shouldn't be on the ham bands anyway. I admit there are weird exceptions where encryption might be useful, which are already written into regulation, like 97.211 "Space telecommand station" part (b) permits space satellite control uplinks to be encrypted, but only the control signals, which makes sense, so some rando doesn't take over a satellite...
"New technologies won't add or remove the underlying need for being neighborly."
Agreed. As of 2021 nobody has invented a technology for wideband digital to coexist with, well, anything, other than regulating under a channelized system, which seems impossible for international HF.
Your three main arguments seem to boil down to "why can't I jam other people?" whereas my point of view is "why would anyone want to jam other people" so we're probably never going to get along.
as someone who is not familiar with this world (but takes deep interest in (n)etiquette), would someone be willing to do a quick breakdown of ham netiquette, "being neighborly", fears of encryption and how abuse is managed in the ham world?
i ask because maybe there are some learnings and lessons there that could apply to internet policy today.
it sounds like certain things, like anonymity, are banned? there's some sort of community policing? i'm super curious.
I don't have a lot of time, but this was an interesting question. If you message me I'll dig up references. There are nuances and exceptions to almost everything I list below.
The radio spectrum is a scarce resource. Two of the main reasons amateur radio users are given access to the spectrum is to help with disaster recovery and to advance the art and science of radio.
Callsigns are public - you can look up anyone's to see who they are.
You're required to give your callsign at the end of your transmission, and every 10 minutes.
There are some limitations on content. No music, no profanity, no commercial uses, and no encryption.
netiquette varies based on what you are doing. In general, shorter range bands have better sound quality and are more casual. Longer range has worse sound quality (or no sound like morse or ft8).
If you're on one of the shorter range bands (e.g. 70cm) you'll often find people who are keeping in touch with friends, or just looking for someone to talk to.
On the longer range, you'll run into stuff like contests - all the other person wants to know is who you are, and where you are. They're trying to see either how many contacts they can make in a period of time or how far away they're able to make contacts.
There are "formal traffic" nets - which pass messages. Local nets will route traffic they can't deliver to regional nets, and then back down to local nets. Usually they just pass practice traffic around - until a disaster occurs and they are needed. More info https://www.arrl.org/nts-manual
Edit: I forgot about you abuse question. Hams tend to police their own or will work with the FCC to report people misusing the airwaves. The practice version of this is called "fox hunting" - where someone places a transmitter and you try to find it.
Most hams care about keeping the hobby alive. If they find someone who's broadcasting with too much power or without a license usually they'll try to work with that person to correct the behavior. If that doesn't work, they'll often work with the FCC.
Only been a Ham for 2 years, but the etiquette I've observed falls along the lines of "don't do things that make it hard for other people to have fun". Like checking to see if the frequency is in use before sending, and not blasting out a wide signal when a narrow one will do. Respecting band plans, both formal and informal, especially digital people sticking around established watering holes and not splattering the CW areas. Don't tune up (sending a tone to configure your antenna tuner) on someone's frequency.
Another part is "let people do their thing". Like if someone's in a special activity and managing a pileup (lots of people trying to call), just give them the exchange and move on.
Due to the asymmetric nature of propagation, stuff happens. You may not hear anyone using the frequency but they hear you just fine. If band conditions take a turn for the worse, politely tell the other person you're losing them and thanks for the conversation.
Anonymity is banned; FCC part 97 says you have to use your call sign every 10 minutes and at the end of the transmission.
Ultimately the FCC is responsible for enforcing these but of course don't have the time. People can report people to the FCC and they _may_ open an investigation depending on that nature of it. There's also the ARRL volunteer monitoring program where participants listen on the air and, through the program, send out notices of good and bad behavior, optionally referring cases to the FCC. It's usually stuff like "guy constantly being a jackass on a repeater and ruining it for others", with a good bit of "sending outside your privileges" and "not identifying yourself".
That said we've all accidentally sent outside our privileges, we've all stepped on people. It happens.
As amateurs we know that if we don't do a good job of operating we'll lose the spectrum, so it's usually not a huge problem. There are jerks, there are also people that don't know they're being jerks.
As for community policing the FCC itself polices some, and the official observer program has been replaced by the volunteer monitor program which is mostly the same thing.
I think you can assume much like on the net, there's at least ten times as many lurkers listening as there are people talking.
Back in '28, 1928, the radio amateur's code was written which was a pretty good attempt at letting people talk as much as possible while eliminating ore reducing flame wars over the air.
My guess is over the last century the more authoritarian govts banned it, and the free-er countries have lots of people who like to collect contacts and you're not going to get a collectible QSL card in the mail from a guy if over the air you call him a filthy (insert appropriate political slur here) so naturally people tended to not talk about politics, because gotta collect QSL cards or contest points or whatever.
On the radio, the quality of your station and antenna and your skills determine how many people you can talk to, so competition, so people are more civil to each other. On the internet, unfortunately everyone "hears" everyone, so there's no gain from not being a jerk, so there's lots of jerks.
There's very little emergency communication that wouldn't benefit from at least cryptographic signatures; in many cases it's also important to be able to communicate private data in emergencies. Not allowing encryption makes amateur radio of very little use in emergencies.
There are lots of "telecommand" use cases that aren't to satellites, too.
The broader problem is that prohibiting new technologies in ham radio until they've been demonstrated to be useful (in your case, demonstrated to be useful in ham radio, despite being prohibited at the time, but most people are less blatantly unreasonable) is a recipe for, at best, chasing the taillights of commercial radio systems, and more commonly total technological stagnation and gradual abandonment.
> Not allowing encryption makes amateur radio of very little use in emergencies.
I can't even imagine what would require encryption ... maybe PII medical traffic under some peculiar artificial scenario and most pessimistic possible HIPPA interpretation?
Now remember, that the stereotype of ham radio emcom is people roll up with no idea how to program their HT to the correct frequencies so they can't even participate. So demanding everyone participate in a GPG WoT or join a Kerberos domain to share encryption keys is an absolute non-starter. If the general public cannot participate without extensive preparation before the event, it means its not part 97 emcom, its just a poor low budget imitation of part 90, its not part 97 operation at all. Why not get GMRS licenses?
Remember there is the perpetual battle in emcom between the people who think "provide emergency communications" applies to Big Brother despite his infinite budget outclassing any possible Ham response, vs the people who think emergency communications is for the people or the general public or even for the individual. Both sides like to denigrate the other side, unfortunately.
So consider I was listening to a rando ham "involuntary storm chaser" report a tornado sighting to the NWS a couple weeks ago. How, in that scenario does encryption help? By making it impossible for the ham to talk to the NWS station because they never shared keys in advance or they shared the 2020 keys and not the 2021 keys? By making it impossible for the general public to hear the tornado report they would be safer not knowing?
Consider something topical, like the hurricane in NO. A rando member of the general ham radio public reports hurricane related flooding. The value encryption provides is making it impossible for the ham radio operator to talk to people to make the report, and encryption also makes it impossible for the general ham radio public to help. "Real ham radio emcom" situation he'd just dial up the repeater and talk to net control and make his report and move on with life. Somehow encryption would help, but ... how?
Edited to add:
> There are lots of "telecommand" use cases that aren't to satellites, too.
I forgot to agree with you on that. Repeater control links and the like.
Maybe "very little use in emergencies" was an overstatement on my part. Clearly there is some important communication in emergencies that doesn't need crypto.
But I think the vast bulk of communications necessary in an emergency is between people who need to talk to their family members to find out where they are, what condition they're in, and what resources they have. That information often needs to remain private between the people who are communicating. Right now it's not mostly sent over ham radio because it can't be. In fact, it isn't transmitted at all, so people die. Advances like Codec 2 dramatically expand our possibilities for communications in emergencies, but mostly for doing new things like that, things we're not already doing.
As another example, suppose that, instead of one person reporting hurricane-related flooding you had a water-level sensor every 100 meters in a rough hexagonal grid, each transmitting a packet every 6 minutes carrying a 16-bit ID and an 8-bit water level. In theory this is an average of about 8 bits per second per square kilometer, so it wouldn't have to cause much interference or use much average power, but it's hard to get it to work under Part 15 rules because Part 15 doesn't allow you to average your power usage over 6 minutes, so you pretty much have to build a mesh network to get adequate range at the allowed power levels. You probably need to cryptographically sign the packets for the system to be reasonably reliable. (They don't need to be secret, but you need to be able to distinguish legitimate reports from griefers trying to divert emergency resources when there's no emergency.)
Nowadays you might be able to do that with LoRa. But you could have done it 20 years ago on the amateur bands --- except that it's illegal. So again hams are chasing the taillights of commercial radio, the opposite of how it's supposed to be.
In an emergency, I can’t imagine having an amateur radio link available, having a need to comm with family, and deciding not to because the connection was unencrypted and unsigned.
Airplanes are controlled by in the clear, unsigned radio comms every day. I don’t see why emergency comms over AR is a more compelling case for a secure link.
The hypothetical person I described in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28361769 could certainly imagine deciding to not provide information her family needed to know for that reason, or not to attempt to meet up with them, because she is in a distinctly different position from an aircraft! And real emergencies are full of people in situations like hers, and worse.
That specific message is ill-advised. A significant portion of that message could be transmitted safely and would be way better than "Nah, not going to key the mic at all unless it's encrypted..."
"Katie and Uncles Bob and Jim are all moving from X to Y. We're armed only with our AR-15s and have plenty of ammo. We had to leave behind a few other things at the house, but we're moving safely and expected at Y before dark."
If the family knows they don't own any AR-15s and don't have any uncles named Bob or Jim, the message is received (or enough of it to be practically useful without being an unneeded forfeiture of OpSec).
Probably I'd think Katie was off her skull, or someone who didn't know us was trying to trick me into going to Y. If I did think Katie was just lying, I'd wonder if she was lying about Y too.
I've listened to several police radios with my SDR - "old male with [medical condition] at [person's address]" isn't uncommon.
Some research - paramedics are likely covered under HIPAA (if they work for a healthcare entity that provides ambulance services), I don't believe police or the fire department would be covered.
The things I'm thinking most need to be protected are more like "unaccompanied 16-year-old girl [name] at [station's address] plans to cross the recently burned area to rendezvous with [family member's name] at [rendezvous point]. She was able to get the cash savings out of the safe before the house burned, but couldn't get the gun safe open."
After Katrina, dead bodies with gunshot wounds rotted in the streets for weeks, uninvestigated. Human jackals aren't common but when they sense impunity they do make their presence known.
There is a lot of unnecessary information in your hypothetical message. What, beyond "[name] plans to rendezvous with [family member's name] at [rendezvous point] (about [time])" needs to be conveyed? Suddenly it's a very different message.
Well, if someone is listening to the girl's voice on the radio, they can guess her age. If her voice isn't on the radio, you as a family member have no reason to believe that it's really her. You need to plan out the route to the rendezvous point so that you know where to look for her if she doesn't make it, and she knows where she should go if you don't show up. If you (the family member) are trying to find a place to stay, or a way to buy gas, it may be crucial information to you that she has money, because that information may keep you from attempting trips into dangerous areas to get it; likewise, that she is unarmed, because, if you feel that you need to be armed, you know that her arrival will not provide that, and you still need to keep considering alternative options, like dropping half a grand at the pawn shop before they sell out. When you are having the discussion with her and discussing alternative possible plans for meeting up, the fact that she is unarmed is relevant to choosing among the alternative plans. You probably also need to discuss with her what things to take along on the trip; maybe she hasn't thought about the need for N95 masks in the recently burned zone, but maybe she can get one from someone at the station.
So really this kind of rendezvous arrangement benefits enormously from being able to discuss such plans at some length, but it would be terrible if random strangers were listening in. Without cellphones, you have to discuss this stuff in advance in order to successfully meet up with people; you can't pop off an SMS to ask them where they are or let them know you're running late.
While I tend to agree more with your answers than edrxty baseless claims about spread spectrum and unrealistic bandwidth negotiation (doesn't work with hidden nodes), it's important to note that there are alternative models to the ham spectrum management model. Namely:
ISM short range device (SRD) - the rules are very simple: transmit anything you want, no more than xxx watts, tx duty cycle no more than 1%. IMHO, this can be scaled to ham frequencies (ex: 0.01% duty cycle).
ISM 2.4 GHz - the rules are (basically) transmit only if no other signal is detected above threshold (-75dBm). Exponential back off otherwise. This is also called the Aloha model. This model also works most of the time, although its applicability to HF propagation is unclear.
The history of HF packet radio going back almost 40 years now, shows it stomps things pretty bad. RTTY and PSK31 ops simply cannot operate nearby HF packet channels.
Aloha DOES work really well for decades on "toll quality VHF FM" strong high SNR local packet radio LANs.
Everyone's gotta be able to hear everyone or else channel thruput drops to about zero. Easy on a city wide VHF FM packet lan, impossible on HF.
Reminds me of thin net ethernet in the 80s (thicknet also, LOL). One babbling transmitter and the whole LAN is down for everyone.
I feel like you're taking an extremely narrow view of use cases, but I apologize I'm coming off as antagonistic, it's not my intent. I really just want people to open up to expanding what's possible in our bands.
The ham bands are for experimentation. Currently experimentation is essentially banned as the most of the biggest recent innovations are against the rules and the old guard wants to ban the rest (see FT8/WSPR).
Negotiation - there are plenty of bandwidth negotiation strategies, not just scream louder. You can listen and avoid areas where people are obviously talking, it doesn't take human level intellect to detect signal.
SS - interference avoidance is the biggest use case. There are a number of different techniques here, not just noise vomit, chirp being one of the more interesting.
Encryption - Obviously nobody in their right mind is going to sit there and scream about a tornado on an encrypted channel or try to coordinate encrypted emcom. Simplifying ham to the point where anyone can use it is called the FRS band and as such we don't need to worry about that here. There are plenty of useful cases though, remote command/telemetry being only one of many. Experimenting with encrypted modes/algorithms/hardware is the most relevant, as well as just wanting the ability to have a private conversation from time to time. Lets also not forget that it's legal in Europe and they have yet to meet a firey ham demise.
2021 - and with these rules there never will be one. Private industry has no interest but spectrum is finite and human needs are infinite. Developing such a mode would be extremely useful if the FCC ever gets around to increasing the size and number of ISM bands as more applications arise.
I'd be willing to meet you with this: the HF bands are touchy, I fully agree there's a legitimate interest in keeping things the way they are >=20m. I think the wild west should really open up at VHF and above however. There just isn't any use save one repeater out of hundreds every few hours in a sea of blue waterfall. Even if encryption/SS/WB/whatever was legalized on 2m/70cm and WILDLY abused (it wouldn't be) I don't think anyone would really even notice.
I know quite a few people who would rather use free encrypted ham radio (if it existed) than pay a yearly fee for business band. And if it was encrypted, how would the FCC ever notice (or get alerted by other noticing hams) that it was getting used for business?
At least as I propose it and it's implemented in the respective specs, the clear-text ID requirement would still stay. If you weren't ID-ing then it would be just like any other enforcement action.
As it stands, there are enough digital modes that one could reasonably operate with encrypted business band radios and nobody would know as one has to assume that any mode they can't receive is yet another one they don't have a radio for yet there isn't widespread abuse. Similarly there are countries where it's legal and it's not a problem.
The advantage of business band isn't the encryption, it's being able to have a guaranteed frequency to yourself. On the ham bands you'd have to train all your users how hop around if someone started using the frequency.
Apologies, I was trying to point at a mentality rather than an age but obviously the wording could be better. There are plenty of 20-30 somethings that hold the same beliefs and plenty of older ones that agree with me. The amateur radio community is a rather complicated landscape and that bears acknowledging.
Old guard. VLM is in the right. As a kid i was a terror. Killowatts of power. Irressistable! But we decided, ricky and i, to stick to fm. I do not believe we were loved.
Radio engineering doesn't mesh well with a "move fast and break things" world view. Often the things you're breaking mean other people are losing out.
The world of HF is very different from higher bands because of propagation and low band width (especially for hams). With a well tuned antenna even a relatively modest transmitter can DX hundreds or thousands of miles.
* The low band width on HF with a high noise floor makes high symbol rates pointless throughout the band. You'd need so much FEC there'd be little benefit from the higher rates. A symbol rate that might work fine for contacts a hundred miles apart will just be noise for contacts five hundred miles away. Because of DXing on HF it's entirely possible to have your transmissions picked up across the hemisphere.
* Likewise symbol rate negotiation is problematic because of propagation. Transmissions aren't point to point links even if you're addressing a particular station. Like the point above symbol rates that work for two stations will not necessarily work for all stations that will receive the signal. That's just more noise for them and an inability to use that part of the band.
* The band width for hams on HF is too small for spread spectrum comms to be useful. Yet again transmissions that work in some conditions won't necessarily work everywhere the transmission reaches.
* Quick, what's the difference between an encrypted signal with a long duty cycle and noise? NOTHING. Every aspect of ham radio comes back down to being good stewards of a scarce resource and sharing it.
If you blast your headphones you're not going to affect me living next door. You can listen to whatever you want at any volume. If you blow out your ear drums that's your business. If you instead blast your big-ass stereo speakers now you're affecting me next door. You've got a right to blast out your eardrums, not mine.
Radio, like the air between our houses, is a shared medium. There's bands where if you want to blast signals or play around with different modes, I'll never detect it even living next door. There's also bands, like HF, where you can affect my use of the band even on opposite sides of the state. You don't have more of a right to hams bands than I do. If you want to blast high powered wide bandwidth transmissions, petition the FCC to buy a license to some spectrum (good luck).
The issue isn't graybeard hams being afraid of new fangled technology. While those do exist the much bigger issue is the whole of the HF band (and all uses of it) could fit in a single WiFi channel with room to spare. Of that tiny space hams have privileges on a tiny subsection. To even use that tiny subsection requires advanced licensing and a fair investment in equipment. Any individual user wants to put that time/money investment to use but so does every other user. It's hard to share a sliver of bandwidth if there's a couple assholes essentially blasting out noise all across that sliver of spectrum.
My arguments tend to sum to the fact that the ham radio bands are provided as an experimental space. I'm not advocating for anything that hasn't been tried before, in particular encryption is legal in other countries and hasn't caused any issues for them.
While I'm sure you've got links to regulations allowing for hams to use encryption, they're going to fall into two categories: emergency communications and preventing unauthorized access to remote automated stations (satellites etc). So encryption doesn't cause problems because it's scope is extremely limited.
As for your suggestions for things in the HF bands, they simply do not make sense for the reasons I described. In the blasting stereo analogy, HF is like a stereo blasting you can hear across the country. There's very little bandwidth to even negotiate between stations and conditions vary so much that you'd need to change the symbol rate constantly. Hams settled on CW and slow digital modes on HF because that's what tends to works best on HF. They don't need wide bandwidth and they resist multipath interference.
I am not unamenable with the crusty old hams in some regards. Part of the charm of these little slices of the spectrum are that they are are, in some part, the only place where you can meaningfully interact with legacy analog radio technology and specifications. There are lots of places you can muck about with digital radio, shiny new specs, mesh networks, etc etc. But if you want to build your own antenna, grab a super low powered transmitter and bounce an analog signal off the atmo to talk with a person halfway around the globe, Ham radio is where to be. It's reasonable for people to desire to protect that.
Those "crusty old hams" include people who designed VLSI. Designed modern computer languages. Wrote the RFCs in IETF on how to do things.
I think you seriously mis-understand how much the "crusty old hams" know, and do, in the modern Internet: They helped build it. Not only the SL/IP and AX25 part, a lot more than just that.
Read up on KA9Q. Top hit in wikipedia is good. Now, look at the person. The wikipedia link is good. Now, go look at the company he works at, or used to. Now, open your cellphone, and look at the logo on the chipsets...
Hoping municipalities around the country note that the amateur radio programs they've been depreciating over the last decade actually have a role to play in emergencies like major hurricanes, floods, and earthquakes.
I wonder how this compares to their previous statements and policies, because with a million people out of power and most communication systems offline, it does seem that charging people is just wrong, and the lack of the necessity of emergency communication provided by Amateurs was stated as a reason for them not exempting them from licensing fees.
>The FCC also disagreed with those who argued that amateur radio licensees should be exempt from fees because of their public service contribution during emergencies and disasters.
>“[W]e we are very much aware of these laudable and important services amateur radio licensees provide to the American public,” the FCC said, but noted that specific exemptions provided under Section 8 of the so-called “Ray Baum’s Act” requiring the FCC to assess the fees do not apply to amateur radio personal licenses. “Emergency communications, for example, are voluntary and are not required by our rules,” the FCC noted. “As we have noted previously, ‘[w]hile the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communications service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications, is one of the underlying principles of the amateur service, the amateur service is not an emergency radio service.’” [0]
But the aggregate cost to create and maintain that database is non-zero. That cost doesn’t scale at the same factor as licensees, but would still amortize to >$0.
I hope you know that's not true. That database has a license and/or support fees regardless of how frequently it’s updated. Same for the OS. Then there’s the hardware it runs on. The backup software and associated costs, etc.
There’s absolutely no possible way the cost is $0 unless that database is entirely funded already.
In a way, it’s funded by the entities that actually need to pay for an FCC license (mainly commercial ones)… AFAIK, the FCC ULS (Universal Licensing System) is a unified database of all FCC licensees, regardless of type. If paying licensees can fund the database, then tacking on Amateur licenses to it is a marginal (if not effectively zero) cost.
The cost of the DB license itself isn't really attributable to any one service, while on the other hand, is MORE than covered by a single 5G spectrum auction.
Amateur licenses had application fees back in the day, and the FCC got rid of them ~10 years ago because the cost of administering just collecting the fee was more than it was worth.
The point of the license is to make sure people are treating the spectrum well, not generate revenue. I will point out similar fees are assessed to get a license to operate a car which is probably more important in an emergency.
Everything I ever say just gets downvotes. No wonder people think HN is manipulated.. Cant see who does it, but I am reasonably sure bots operated by power uses blacklist users.. So they incrementally receive a score close or below zero.
You're allowed to make distress calls without a license. If it's between life or death, the rules change. Why wait for a real emergency to use your hardware though?
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[ 5.2 ms ] story [ 235 ms ] thread> In 2016, in response to an ARRL petition for rulemaking, the FCC proposed to remove the symbol rate limitations, which it tentatively concluded had become unnecessary due to advances in modulation techniques and no longer served a useful purpose. That proceeding, WT Docket 16-239, is still pending.
I'm certainly grateful that the custodians of such a valuable public resource as "radio communication" are taking such a deliberate, measured approach to their jobs. Just imagine the horror and chaos that could descend if we allowed higher bandwith digital comms over these frequencies... People might send porn!
(This is sarcastic, in case the bots need the hint)
That said, I agree it's taking too long. The technology for the higher symbol rates is now cheap enough to be a non-issue.
The FCC symbol rate limitation needs to go. It’s a hindrance on HAM radio. Just regulate it by bandwidth, or better yet EIRP PSD, but that would be tough to control.
But there's a philosophical part to the discussion also. The tradeoff goes like this: hams get some really nice spectrum assignments, low fees, self-regulation, experimental modes and techniques, etc. In exchange, they can't use the amateur radio service commercially or for non-personal aims, and specifically they are expected to focus mostly on learning, community interaction, public service, experimentation, and so on. They also want amateur modes to be somewhat approachable, i.e. not requiring exotic or expensive hardware, necessarily.
Should an operator wish to use the radio spectrum for commercial or highly productive use, especially one requiring significant bandwidth, secrecy, exclusivity, etc, they are expected to use a different license / service more appropriate to those needs.
Basically:
Tinkering, chit-chat, community service, narrow bandwidths => amateur radio
Anything else => get a different license
To that end it was long the FCC's stance that high symbol rates sort of implied that you're going outside the purposes of the amateur radio service. With digital communication having developed as much as it has, though, it's reasonable that hams want to be able to do more interesting things with digital modes, which generally means higher symbol rates.
Also: no encryption.
47 CFR 97.113 Prohibited transmissions, (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services.
The FCC has a perfectly good part 22 service for cell phones.
Or FCC part 73 regulates "old fashioned broadcast radio"
Per 97.1 (a) thru (e) explain the purpose of amateur radio but it boils down to something like a national park, sorta. The purpose of the service is NOT to avoid existing regulation.
"on a regular basis" means experiment as much as possible, for free, non-professionally, as a ham, but if you try to set up a formal cell phone company business for the public just like AT&T, and try to tell the FCC you prefer being regulated under part 97 and pay only $35 for a license, the FCC will be very very very mad at you, wave 47 cfr 97.113(a)(5) at you, then regulate you under part 22.
The FCC has nothing against people building broadcast radio services; but if you try to demand they regulate your public broadcast FM radio service under part 97 rules, the FCC is warning you they will absolutely insist on regulating and charging you under part 73 rules...
I guess this was the bit I had in mind. It means that one can’t use amateur radio for what a cell phone is normally used for, doesn’t it? Like calling your ham friends to make arrangements for poker night. Or is that the wrong interpretation?
Note you can run a business on a cell phone or do financial transactions or speak swear words or all kinds of things common carriers supposedly don't care about but would be banned on ham radio. Also ham radio has no SLA or mandatory 911 access like a phone. Consider... if you are a casino operator and you're trying to book hotel rooms for these guys to play poker night at your casino, that would be forbidden under part 97 because its a business and part 97 isn't for business use.
Its definitely an intent based situation. "Fooling around with radio technology while having convos of a non-commercial personal nature to promote international goodwill and gain radio operating experience" is literally what part 97 was designed for, and fits the poker game example perfectly. "We built a nationwide cellphone network but forgot to budget for FCC licensing fees so we'll reprogram to use ham radio freqs and lie to the FCC and tell them its a part 97 ham radio, while we sell it to the general public as a cell phone" would be quite stunningly illegal because it would be perfectly reasonable to operate a commercial cell phone network under existing FCC regulations for commercial cell phone providers, and its done on a regular basis by the famous big name nationwide cell phone services every day...
Is it possible to have two-way links "in the clear" but otherwise encoded or ciphered? Is there a regulation that says all transmissions must be in English, for example, or can I transmit in Esperanto/Navajo/hex?
Speaking in shorthand to be clear and concise over the radio is fine. Even using terms of art or abbreviations is likely fine. If you're explicitly coding your communication to obfuscate its meaning you're definitely going to run afoul on the ban of encryption.
Part of the reason for no encryption on ham bands is there's precious little bandwidth available and unintelligible signals (intentionally obfuscated) are tantamount to interference. As a listener I can't reasonably tell if an encrypted signal is noise or a genuine call. I also can't reasonably receive a call sign so I can't know who is transmitting.
At the risk of delving further into conspiracy theory I suspect that may be a reason its downvoted; because there's room for debate. There's currently a lot of feeling that once the government is involved debate must be silenced.
Pitiful we have to encode "the golden rule" of treat others like you'd have them treat you into law, but here we are its in the CFR.
As of 2021 no one has a technological answer to how to avoid various wide band digital technologies from interference against, well, absolutely everything else currently in use, without forcing everyone to operate in a channelized system with massive international coordination problems. The international part is a nightmare, what if, I donno, Bulgaria refuses to channelize? Nothing will work for anyone unless everyone cooperates.
Wideband digital modes do NOT play well with others.
There are channelized bands around 5 mhz (in the usa) and the FCC does relax quite a bit on wide open microwave bands, but people are going to request turning all of 20 meters into one single user digital channel, and to hell with everyone else currently using the band, apparently into infinity. Its an eternal meme.
I guess the best analogy I can come up with, is you can zone land as a public park for people to picnic, but that doesn't mean the land is completely lawless, if you blast your music at 160 dB the police will arrest you for preventing everyone else from enjoying their picnic.
We easily right now have the technological ability to turn the 20M band into a single channel, single user, very high speed digital path at 1500 watts. But that's a terrible idea, given the zillions of current users, local and international, who would be kicked off completely unable to operate.
> The Commission's proposed changes differed from the ARRL's initial filing and caused the ARRL to be concerned about possible interference to current users resulting from the deletion of the ARRL's requested 2.8 kHz bandwidth limitation. Due to those concerns the League filed comments with the FCC opposing the deletion of the requested bandwidth.
The ARRL is asking the FCC to not drop the rule entirely.
I think it's an interesting topic, but with mesh networks and satellites, HF high speed links are not as relevant.
Satellite has a reasonably high lower bound for implementation, and is reasonably easily disrupted.
Mesh is reliant on a relatively high density of relays; typically you need nodes within a couple of miles of each other depending on terrain.
HF allows for significantly larger mesh network node distances (with lower data rate) or much more robust communication that is harder to shut down.
PS: the world needs more hams!
That said, I live in a very rural area, and imagine that more congested areas(cities) might be less welcoming of new traffic.
I live right next door to a very large metropolitan area and the advantage is that there is a lot of diversity in terms of who is on the air. I have 50 repeaters programmed into my dual-band radio and almost all of them some kind of regular activity from weekly nets to casual drive-time QSOs. Lots of older retired gentlemen of course but plenty of other stuff going on too.
I find entrance exams are almost always orthogonal to actual performance (like tech interviews). I think it should be limited to verifying an understanding of safety and the law only. Everything else can be quickly and easily looked up if needed. If I make a fool of myself on the air that's on me.
Take a look at the question pool: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/VEs/2019-2023%20General%20Cla...
Say we limit the exam to subelements G0 (Safety), G1 (Commission's Rules), G2 (Operating Procedures), and G4 (Amateur Radio Practices). What's the downside? Why are we asking people about Digital circuits; amplifiers and oscillators (G7B), Analog and digital integrated circuits (ICs); memory; I/O devices; microwave ICs (MMICs); display devices; connectors; ferrite cores (G6B), etc? I agree it's useful information, but if all I want to do is operate my radio, why gatekeep on this other knowledge? Is my incomplete understanding blinding me?
Do it! I used "Ham Radio Prep"(google, it's the first result). It was really informative for me. They have a linear lesson plan with videos/tests to help you learn what you need, and then retain that information. After it was done, I felt very prepared for the exam, and the actual exam went very smoothly. As a side effect, I learned a lot about RF that I was ignorant of in the past, and thoroughly enjoyed the entire process. Can't recommend getting into amateur radio enough, it was one of those moments where I realized there was a giant gap in my general how-radio-works knowledge.
Sometimes we talk about the weather, haha. The most common time I use my radio is during bad weather, especially if there are tornado warnings nearby. There are [tornado] spotters using the same local repeater in our area, and sometimes it can be comforting to hear them report a tornado is moving away from you, or dissipating. Otherwise, I think we don't have much to talk about until there is an emergency of some kind.
One thing I like isn't something you need a license to do, but a radio is a great way to listen to existing traffic outside the bands a normal "scanner" would supply. Everything from drive-thru speakers to casino security uses VHF/UHF frequencies, so with a decent dual band handheld you can listen to everything, which can be amusing sometimes.
Another fun bit, is you can look up registered/reserved frequencies on the FCC website. You can't [legally] broadcast on these, but it can be interesting to see all these reserved frequencies and listen in. Sometimes you'll hear chatter among commercial farmers, other times electrical linemen...it's a mixed bag. I also tune into the local county/city emergency frequencies from time to time. I live in a very small rural area, so if you hear sirens, typically I can turn on my radio and alternate between the fire/police/ems frequencies and find out what the sirens were for.
Or if you want to ease into it, you can get a ham radio w/o a license, or cheap SDR and try to receive and decode weather sats, etc [1]
making tiny WSPR boards and things like APRS [2] interest me more than ragchewing or nets on 40 or 80 meters most of the time
forgot my favorite, amateur SSTV (analog baby!) - can see some analog and hybrid (easylink over internet.. cheating) http://www.g0hwc.com/
0 - http://wsprd.vk7jj.com/ (click search then map to get an idea)
1 https://www.rtl-sdr.com/using-50-lines-of-python-code-to-dec...
2 https://aprs.fi/
1) Helped someone launch, track and recover a high-altitude balloon. We used APRS on the 2M band as the primary mode of tracking. You can see balloons in the air right now at https://tracker.habhub.org/
2) Carry in and set up a low-power radio and antenna at a riverfront park, then make contacts with people at home and at other parks. You can read more about that at https://parksontheair.com/ . I'm hoping to try a mountain instead of a park soon, see https://www.sota.org.uk/
3) Get up at odd hours of the night to try to make contact with amateurs in Hawaii on some bands and modes I haven't used to communicate with that state yet. I'm tracking this for my worked all states award from the ARRL, and did it recently because it was the https://www.hawaiiqsoparty.org/. that's an example of one of the many contests that exist in amateur radio.
4) Listen in on a regional HF net taking reports about conditions in areas affected by Hurricane Ida and relaying them to govt agencies as appropriate.
5) Listen in on a local 2M repeater where I heard other hams discussing their lives and hobbies related and unrelated to amateur radio.
Also the Technician-class ham license has an easier test than the General-class one linked above. It's certainly reasonable to start with that one.
Every time I hear this pearl clutching from hams I like to remind them that the biggest threat to their hobby isn't rouge transmitters and antennas or someone stepping on their transmission - but nobody giving a shit about them anymore.
If you keep new people from entering the hobby it will completely die off and eventually all that spectrum will be reallocated to useful things like cellular.
For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service
I guess I'm unclear what the concrete value of gatekeeping on sections other than the ones I listed are.
If you can't pass the Technician exam, you'd actually be hard pressed to meaninvcully participate in those activities you listed. If you don't know the regulations around operating a repeater how are you going to operate a repeater? If you don't understand just a little about radio propagation how are you going to actually do any DXing or communicate with space hardware?
Ham licenses exist because radio transmissions affect other people and not just yourself. If you don't know what you're doing to can keep me, your neighbor, from participating in the hobby because your TX power is too high or your antenna is just an untuned jamming device.
I got my license a few years ago and nearly everyone I've ever interacted with has been friendly and willing to help if I need it. Yes, there are asshats on the air, just like there are asshats on the Internet and everywhere else. You just don't talk to them.
I got my "Radio Amateur Extra" license in August of last year.
Groundwave HF paths technologically don't have much of a symbol rate limit. You could talk from ND to SD using a quite fast symbol rate as long as its a groundwave path under 25 miles or so. There are limits, but they're huge.
Skywave "ionosphere bounce" paths have massive multipath issues although slow enough symbol rates can make it thru without too much intersymbol interference. These paths are worldwide.
Even with existing limits, its quite trivial to transmit a modulation that has too fast of a symbol rate for skywave / international paths.
I guess I'm just pointing out the existing rate limits are "too high" often for international communication. You could turn 10M into some kind of short range local wifi I suppose, but all anyone more than a hundred miles away would hear would be noise / interference due to intersymbol interference and multipath.
Supposedly, in my grandpa's day, the government regulated modulation method to a precise detailed level so if you're only allowed to transmit 45 baud ITU2 encoded rtty FSK, specifying a dozen of one or 12 of another is the same thing, just depends how you say it. Then they removed detailed mode regulation "do what you want, grandfathering in existing users".
Regulation can take awhile to change with the times. Again, supposedly in my grandpa's day, wattmeters were not accurate enough to be useful so the government regulated DC input power because voltmeters and ammeters are accurate enough for a ballpark guess. See also peak power vs "peak envelope power" aka PEP measurements for analog single sideband voice. So bringing it back around, at one point symbol rate was a reasonable proxy for old fashioned rtty fsk bandwidth regulation.
"In 2016, in response to an ARRL petition for rulemaking, the FCC proposed to remove the symbol rate limitations, which it tentatively concluded had become unnecessary due to advances in modulation techniques and no longer served a useful purpose. That proceeding, WT Docket 16-239, is still pending."
Imagine if more services worked like a library rather than the DMV (granted libraries I guess check your address?). Imagine if going to a hospital involved checking your symptoms and not having to negotiate down prices. Imagine everyone having a ~0 cost bank account at the post office. Imagine having any form of recourse beyond posting to a forum thread for an administrative issue.
And you do know that DMVs are miserable because they don't have the budget to be properly staffed right? The pain is self-inflicted. We could give money to governments without profit motives, or we can give money to corporations with profit motives. If it's a service that we actually want in society, the answer seems obvious to me.
Commercial: We run the service for our own profit, so we do all we can for the service to be attractive: fast, easy, affordable enough but not too cheap. We'll walk an extra mile to serve a customer because it will attract more. In a pinch, we might consider using a dark pattern, but we're wary of the potential bad press.
Socialized governmental: We run our service because the state has hired us for that. Some of us see it as a noble way tp serve the public, but most of us are here for the stable salary, benefits, future pension, and a regulated workplace. We're not earning nearly as much as the commercial folks (or we are unionized and earn something closer to the commercial folks). We work by instruction, and instructions explicitly lack any extra mile provisions. We have no need to work faster, or harder, or otherwise do more work when we can do less work without breaking the instructions. BTW if the government pays us too little, we won't hesitate to go on strike; the service will cease temporarily; sorry guys.
Everything you listed could apply in both directions (you think companies don't have incentives to push down worker wages to poverty wages? You think that motivates workers to actually provide good service?) And no, companies (especially larger ones) aren't sitting around thinking about how to make products cheaper for the end user. They're thinking about how to increase their own profits! No capitalist is like "wow I really wish I could offer this at cost".
Incentive structures exist in all places, this is why you can have things like public support for teacher's strikes, tax increases, etc. Because people actually think about this stuff holistically and don't just rely on trite platitudes that they heard from their local libertarian and projecting their own selfishness on everyone else.
The top brass, though, have distinctly different incentives, and this influences how they motivate line workers, and how they structure the service.
BTW large incumbent corporations suffer often from the same disease, because, like with the government, their clients have no effective choice anyway, no need to woo them.
With teachers it's a bit special: just making the conscious effort to become a teacher is a rather strong filter. Similar with librarians, for instance. This is not the same for most governmental clerical services.
Having terrible service at the DMV is a funding decision, not a necessity, and there's absolutely no guarantee that 'private' actors will be any better.
"spread spectrum" - See above, plus raising the noise floor means the death of entire weak signal modes.
"encryption" - Absolutely no need. Would be death of ham radio. Why bother with cheap ham radio licenses if you can just transmit anything you want but encrypted.
"the bands are mostly empty" Buy a better antenna LOL.
Bandwidth negotiation - you can already interfere in the same way without it. This is also true of any radio communication, ELF or EHF
Spread spectrum - yes but has the ability to not significantly interfere with any single other link, can obviously otherwise be kept out of the tiny segment for weak digital or otherwise confined to sub bands
Encryption - this one's my favorite: the hardware is already common, if this argument were true then ham would already be dead. If someone is being abusive they don't give their call anyway and we hunt them with DF the way we always have.
Bands - have you seen 17m to light?
Tldr we have coexisted by being neighborly for over 100 years. New technologies won't add or remove the underlying need for being neighborly. We can therefore play with the new toys if we continue to uphold those principles as we always have.
Spread spectrum - The coding gain from SS varies with the bandwidth spread across, so SS over a narrow enough channel... isn't even SS anymore. That said we seem to agree that VHF and up there's plenty of space to channelize and regulate by frequency. What does anyone gain from it other than it interferes with anything else in its channel?
Encryption - You haven't explained why its needed. "I can't talk to you, you can't talk to me" isn't very neighborly or ham radio friendly. So its not needed and only provides downsides. Emcom is difficult enough without everyone not sharing secret keys. What part 97.1 "basis and purpose" section does secretive private transmissions benefit? I mean, if it was useful for some ham radio purpose, sure sounds cool go for it. Encryption is certainly very useful for non-ham-radio purposes, but then by definition it shouldn't be on the ham bands anyway. I admit there are weird exceptions where encryption might be useful, which are already written into regulation, like 97.211 "Space telecommand station" part (b) permits space satellite control uplinks to be encrypted, but only the control signals, which makes sense, so some rando doesn't take over a satellite...
"New technologies won't add or remove the underlying need for being neighborly."
Agreed. As of 2021 nobody has invented a technology for wideband digital to coexist with, well, anything, other than regulating under a channelized system, which seems impossible for international HF.
Your three main arguments seem to boil down to "why can't I jam other people?" whereas my point of view is "why would anyone want to jam other people" so we're probably never going to get along.
i ask because maybe there are some learnings and lessons there that could apply to internet policy today.
it sounds like certain things, like anonymity, are banned? there's some sort of community policing? i'm super curious.
The radio spectrum is a scarce resource. Two of the main reasons amateur radio users are given access to the spectrum is to help with disaster recovery and to advance the art and science of radio.
Callsigns are public - you can look up anyone's to see who they are.
You're required to give your callsign at the end of your transmission, and every 10 minutes.
There are some limitations on content. No music, no profanity, no commercial uses, and no encryption.
netiquette varies based on what you are doing. In general, shorter range bands have better sound quality and are more casual. Longer range has worse sound quality (or no sound like morse or ft8).
If you're on one of the shorter range bands (e.g. 70cm) you'll often find people who are keeping in touch with friends, or just looking for someone to talk to.
On the longer range, you'll run into stuff like contests - all the other person wants to know is who you are, and where you are. They're trying to see either how many contacts they can make in a period of time or how far away they're able to make contacts.
There are "formal traffic" nets - which pass messages. Local nets will route traffic they can't deliver to regional nets, and then back down to local nets. Usually they just pass practice traffic around - until a disaster occurs and they are needed. More info https://www.arrl.org/nts-manual
The lowest level license is the Technician. You can find the Technician exam pool online in several formats. https://www.arrl.org/files/file/VEs/2018-2022%20Tech%20Class...
Edit: I forgot about you abuse question. Hams tend to police their own or will work with the FCC to report people misusing the airwaves. The practice version of this is called "fox hunting" - where someone places a transmitter and you try to find it.
Most hams care about keeping the hobby alive. If they find someone who's broadcasting with too much power or without a license usually they'll try to work with that person to correct the behavior. If that doesn't work, they'll often work with the FCC.
Another part is "let people do their thing". Like if someone's in a special activity and managing a pileup (lots of people trying to call), just give them the exchange and move on.
Due to the asymmetric nature of propagation, stuff happens. You may not hear anyone using the frequency but they hear you just fine. If band conditions take a turn for the worse, politely tell the other person you're losing them and thanks for the conversation.
Anonymity is banned; FCC part 97 says you have to use your call sign every 10 minutes and at the end of the transmission.
Ultimately the FCC is responsible for enforcing these but of course don't have the time. People can report people to the FCC and they _may_ open an investigation depending on that nature of it. There's also the ARRL volunteer monitoring program where participants listen on the air and, through the program, send out notices of good and bad behavior, optionally referring cases to the FCC. It's usually stuff like "guy constantly being a jackass on a repeater and ruining it for others", with a good bit of "sending outside your privileges" and "not identifying yourself".
That said we've all accidentally sent outside our privileges, we've all stepped on people. It happens.
As amateurs we know that if we don't do a good job of operating we'll lose the spectrum, so it's usually not a huge problem. There are jerks, there are also people that don't know they're being jerks.
As for community policing the FCC itself polices some, and the official observer program has been replaced by the volunteer monitor program which is mostly the same thing.
I think you can assume much like on the net, there's at least ten times as many lurkers listening as there are people talking.
Back in '28, 1928, the radio amateur's code was written which was a pretty good attempt at letting people talk as much as possible while eliminating ore reducing flame wars over the air.
https://www.arrl.org/amateur-code
This mentions the informal, sometimes ignored, ban on political speech:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_amateur_radio
My guess is over the last century the more authoritarian govts banned it, and the free-er countries have lots of people who like to collect contacts and you're not going to get a collectible QSL card in the mail from a guy if over the air you call him a filthy (insert appropriate political slur here) so naturally people tended to not talk about politics, because gotta collect QSL cards or contest points or whatever.
On the radio, the quality of your station and antenna and your skills determine how many people you can talk to, so competition, so people are more civil to each other. On the internet, unfortunately everyone "hears" everyone, so there's no gain from not being a jerk, so there's lots of jerks.
There are lots of "telecommand" use cases that aren't to satellites, too.
The broader problem is that prohibiting new technologies in ham radio until they've been demonstrated to be useful (in your case, demonstrated to be useful in ham radio, despite being prohibited at the time, but most people are less blatantly unreasonable) is a recipe for, at best, chasing the taillights of commercial radio systems, and more commonly total technological stagnation and gradual abandonment.
I can't even imagine what would require encryption ... maybe PII medical traffic under some peculiar artificial scenario and most pessimistic possible HIPPA interpretation?
Now remember, that the stereotype of ham radio emcom is people roll up with no idea how to program their HT to the correct frequencies so they can't even participate. So demanding everyone participate in a GPG WoT or join a Kerberos domain to share encryption keys is an absolute non-starter. If the general public cannot participate without extensive preparation before the event, it means its not part 97 emcom, its just a poor low budget imitation of part 90, its not part 97 operation at all. Why not get GMRS licenses?
Remember there is the perpetual battle in emcom between the people who think "provide emergency communications" applies to Big Brother despite his infinite budget outclassing any possible Ham response, vs the people who think emergency communications is for the people or the general public or even for the individual. Both sides like to denigrate the other side, unfortunately.
So consider I was listening to a rando ham "involuntary storm chaser" report a tornado sighting to the NWS a couple weeks ago. How, in that scenario does encryption help? By making it impossible for the ham to talk to the NWS station because they never shared keys in advance or they shared the 2020 keys and not the 2021 keys? By making it impossible for the general public to hear the tornado report they would be safer not knowing?
Consider something topical, like the hurricane in NO. A rando member of the general ham radio public reports hurricane related flooding. The value encryption provides is making it impossible for the ham radio operator to talk to people to make the report, and encryption also makes it impossible for the general ham radio public to help. "Real ham radio emcom" situation he'd just dial up the repeater and talk to net control and make his report and move on with life. Somehow encryption would help, but ... how?
Edited to add:
> There are lots of "telecommand" use cases that aren't to satellites, too.
I forgot to agree with you on that. Repeater control links and the like.
But I think the vast bulk of communications necessary in an emergency is between people who need to talk to their family members to find out where they are, what condition they're in, and what resources they have. That information often needs to remain private between the people who are communicating. Right now it's not mostly sent over ham radio because it can't be. In fact, it isn't transmitted at all, so people die. Advances like Codec 2 dramatically expand our possibilities for communications in emergencies, but mostly for doing new things like that, things we're not already doing.
As another example, suppose that, instead of one person reporting hurricane-related flooding you had a water-level sensor every 100 meters in a rough hexagonal grid, each transmitting a packet every 6 minutes carrying a 16-bit ID and an 8-bit water level. In theory this is an average of about 8 bits per second per square kilometer, so it wouldn't have to cause much interference or use much average power, but it's hard to get it to work under Part 15 rules because Part 15 doesn't allow you to average your power usage over 6 minutes, so you pretty much have to build a mesh network to get adequate range at the allowed power levels. You probably need to cryptographically sign the packets for the system to be reasonably reliable. (They don't need to be secret, but you need to be able to distinguish legitimate reports from griefers trying to divert emergency resources when there's no emergency.)
Nowadays you might be able to do that with LoRa. But you could have done it 20 years ago on the amateur bands --- except that it's illegal. So again hams are chasing the taillights of commercial radio, the opposite of how it's supposed to be.
Airplanes are controlled by in the clear, unsigned radio comms every day. I don’t see why emergency comms over AR is a more compelling case for a secure link.
"Katie and Uncles Bob and Jim are all moving from X to Y. We're armed only with our AR-15s and have plenty of ammo. We had to leave behind a few other things at the house, but we're moving safely and expected at Y before dark."
If the family knows they don't own any AR-15s and don't have any uncles named Bob or Jim, the message is received (or enough of it to be practically useful without being an unneeded forfeiture of OpSec).
Some research - paramedics are likely covered under HIPAA (if they work for a healthcare entity that provides ambulance services), I don't believe police or the fire department would be covered.
After Katrina, dead bodies with gunshot wounds rotted in the streets for weeks, uninvestigated. Human jackals aren't common but when they sense impunity they do make their presence known.
So really this kind of rendezvous arrangement benefits enormously from being able to discuss such plans at some length, but it would be terrible if random strangers were listening in. Without cellphones, you have to discuss this stuff in advance in order to successfully meet up with people; you can't pop off an SMS to ask them where they are or let them know you're running late.
ISM short range device (SRD) - the rules are very simple: transmit anything you want, no more than xxx watts, tx duty cycle no more than 1%. IMHO, this can be scaled to ham frequencies (ex: 0.01% duty cycle).
ISM 2.4 GHz - the rules are (basically) transmit only if no other signal is detected above threshold (-75dBm). Exponential back off otherwise. This is also called the Aloha model. This model also works most of the time, although its applicability to HF propagation is unclear.
The history of HF packet radio going back almost 40 years now, shows it stomps things pretty bad. RTTY and PSK31 ops simply cannot operate nearby HF packet channels.
Aloha DOES work really well for decades on "toll quality VHF FM" strong high SNR local packet radio LANs.
Everyone's gotta be able to hear everyone or else channel thruput drops to about zero. Easy on a city wide VHF FM packet lan, impossible on HF.
Reminds me of thin net ethernet in the 80s (thicknet also, LOL). One babbling transmitter and the whole LAN is down for everyone.
The ham bands are for experimentation. Currently experimentation is essentially banned as the most of the biggest recent innovations are against the rules and the old guard wants to ban the rest (see FT8/WSPR).
Negotiation - there are plenty of bandwidth negotiation strategies, not just scream louder. You can listen and avoid areas where people are obviously talking, it doesn't take human level intellect to detect signal.
SS - interference avoidance is the biggest use case. There are a number of different techniques here, not just noise vomit, chirp being one of the more interesting.
Encryption - Obviously nobody in their right mind is going to sit there and scream about a tornado on an encrypted channel or try to coordinate encrypted emcom. Simplifying ham to the point where anyone can use it is called the FRS band and as such we don't need to worry about that here. There are plenty of useful cases though, remote command/telemetry being only one of many. Experimenting with encrypted modes/algorithms/hardware is the most relevant, as well as just wanting the ability to have a private conversation from time to time. Lets also not forget that it's legal in Europe and they have yet to meet a firey ham demise.
2021 - and with these rules there never will be one. Private industry has no interest but spectrum is finite and human needs are infinite. Developing such a mode would be extremely useful if the FCC ever gets around to increasing the size and number of ISM bands as more applications arise.
I'd be willing to meet you with this: the HF bands are touchy, I fully agree there's a legitimate interest in keeping things the way they are >=20m. I think the wild west should really open up at VHF and above however. There just isn't any use save one repeater out of hundreds every few hours in a sea of blue waterfall. Even if encryption/SS/WB/whatever was legalized on 2m/70cm and WILDLY abused (it wouldn't be) I don't think anyone would really even notice.
As it stands, there are enough digital modes that one could reasonably operate with encrypted business band radios and nobody would know as one has to assume that any mode they can't receive is yet another one they don't have a radio for yet there isn't widespread abuse. Similarly there are countries where it's legal and it's not a problem.
The advantage of business band isn't the encryption, it's being able to have a guaranteed frequency to yourself. On the ham bands you'd have to train all your users how hop around if someone started using the frequency.
The world of HF is very different from higher bands because of propagation and low band width (especially for hams). With a well tuned antenna even a relatively modest transmitter can DX hundreds or thousands of miles.
* The low band width on HF with a high noise floor makes high symbol rates pointless throughout the band. You'd need so much FEC there'd be little benefit from the higher rates. A symbol rate that might work fine for contacts a hundred miles apart will just be noise for contacts five hundred miles away. Because of DXing on HF it's entirely possible to have your transmissions picked up across the hemisphere.
* Likewise symbol rate negotiation is problematic because of propagation. Transmissions aren't point to point links even if you're addressing a particular station. Like the point above symbol rates that work for two stations will not necessarily work for all stations that will receive the signal. That's just more noise for them and an inability to use that part of the band.
* The band width for hams on HF is too small for spread spectrum comms to be useful. Yet again transmissions that work in some conditions won't necessarily work everywhere the transmission reaches.
* Quick, what's the difference between an encrypted signal with a long duty cycle and noise? NOTHING. Every aspect of ham radio comes back down to being good stewards of a scarce resource and sharing it.
If you blast your headphones you're not going to affect me living next door. You can listen to whatever you want at any volume. If you blow out your ear drums that's your business. If you instead blast your big-ass stereo speakers now you're affecting me next door. You've got a right to blast out your eardrums, not mine.
Radio, like the air between our houses, is a shared medium. There's bands where if you want to blast signals or play around with different modes, I'll never detect it even living next door. There's also bands, like HF, where you can affect my use of the band even on opposite sides of the state. You don't have more of a right to hams bands than I do. If you want to blast high powered wide bandwidth transmissions, petition the FCC to buy a license to some spectrum (good luck).
The issue isn't graybeard hams being afraid of new fangled technology. While those do exist the much bigger issue is the whole of the HF band (and all uses of it) could fit in a single WiFi channel with room to spare. Of that tiny space hams have privileges on a tiny subsection. To even use that tiny subsection requires advanced licensing and a fair investment in equipment. Any individual user wants to put that time/money investment to use but so does every other user. It's hard to share a sliver of bandwidth if there's a couple assholes essentially blasting out noise all across that sliver of spectrum.
As for your suggestions for things in the HF bands, they simply do not make sense for the reasons I described. In the blasting stereo analogy, HF is like a stereo blasting you can hear across the country. There's very little bandwidth to even negotiate between stations and conditions vary so much that you'd need to change the symbol rate constantly. Hams settled on CW and slow digital modes on HF because that's what tends to works best on HF. They don't need wide bandwidth and they resist multipath interference.
I think you seriously mis-understand how much the "crusty old hams" know, and do, in the modern Internet: They helped build it. Not only the SL/IP and AX25 part, a lot more than just that.
Read up on KA9Q. Top hit in wikipedia is good. Now, look at the person. The wikipedia link is good. Now, go look at the company he works at, or used to. Now, open your cellphone, and look at the logo on the chipsets...
"At all times, transmitter power must be the minimum necessary to carry out the desired communications."
http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations
They seem to have literally said that. The new higher baud protocols cannot use more spectrum that the 300 baud version they approved.
>The FCC also disagreed with those who argued that amateur radio licensees should be exempt from fees because of their public service contribution during emergencies and disasters.
>“[W]e we are very much aware of these laudable and important services amateur radio licensees provide to the American public,” the FCC said, but noted that specific exemptions provided under Section 8 of the so-called “Ray Baum’s Act” requiring the FCC to assess the fees do not apply to amateur radio personal licenses. “Emergency communications, for example, are voluntary and are not required by our rules,” the FCC noted. “As we have noted previously, ‘[w]hile the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communications service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications, is one of the underlying principles of the amateur service, the amateur service is not an emergency radio service.’” [0]
https://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-reduces-proposed-amateur-radio...
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4986...
There’s absolutely no possible way the cost is $0 unless that database is entirely funded already.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180507194202/http://wireless.f...
The dang about page wasn't updated for 10 years!
The cost of the DB license itself isn't really attributable to any one service, while on the other hand, is MORE than covered by a single 5G spectrum auction.
Amateur licenses had application fees back in the day, and the FCC got rid of them ~10 years ago because the cost of administering just collecting the fee was more than it was worth.
The point of the license is to make sure people are treating the spectrum well, not generate revenue. I will point out similar fees are assessed to get a license to operate a car which is probably more important in an emergency.
How dare you do this with hardware from Amaz0on .. That you bought for this purpose and tried to make a difference..
Its unreal that we still think laws mean anything when the g0v cant keep anything running when its needed.
Oh but take our test, prove you know the bands and Ohms law.. Then save people.
In fact I can't downvote anything, What a shame.