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I have nothing but questions about this headline: "Having a Moment" - What the Hell does that even mean here? Does anyone hire actual editors anymore? Do any of them think about their readers? Do any of them even know proper English grammar and syntax for clear and concise writing? Why are media companies not weeding such illiterates out long before they begin inflicting their horrid incompetence on their readers?
"Having a moment" is a common enough phrase and means something between "doing well right now" and "making a comeback". More importantly though:

Please don't pick the most irritating detail and then copy it into the thread to complain about it. This leads to significantly lower-quality discussion, especially when the detail is off topic. HN threads are sensitive to initial conditions, so this is particularly important when there aren't many comments yet.

One thing we're working on learning together is how to respond to the interesting parts of an article or situation and leave superficial provocations alone. Not easy, but important for curious conversation.

Please note this site guideline—the examples are different but the principle is the same: "Please don't complain about website formatting, back-button breakage, and similar annoyances. They're too common to be interesting. Exception: when the author is present. Then friendly feedback might be helpful."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you can't load archive link, it's because Archive has blocked cloudflare DNS.
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What DNS am I going to use now? Certainly not google. I guess my ISP, Comcast.
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Why certainly not Google?
No way I’m letting google see every single DNS request even if they don’t save PII. Not sure if cloudfare is any better at this point.

I see you work there and I don’t mean any disrespect but I have issues letting an Ad company see all of my traffic.

Alternative:

(Works with any DNS; Looks like "Reader Mode" in Firefox)

    curl -HUser-Agent https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/travel-advisers-delta-covid-11630442498|(x=$(echo x|tr x '\34');tr -d '\34'|sed "s/</$x&/g;s/ *//"|tr '\12' '\40'|tr '\34' '\12'|sed -n '/og:title/{s/.*content=./<h1>/;s/\".\*/<\/h1>/p;};/./{/meta charset/p;/<amp/,/<.amp/d;/<div class=.wsj-ad/,/<.div>/d;/<title>/,/<\/title>/p;/<p>/,/<\/p>/p;}') > 1.htm

    firefox ./1.htm
    brave ./1.htm
    chromium ./1.htm    
    edge ./1.htm
    safari ./1.htm
    w3m ./1.htm
    lynx ./1.htm
    links ./1.htm <--- recommended :)
This alternative "[w]orks with any DNS" because theres no need to use archive.is, archive.md, archive.ph, etc.
That's terrible news. When middlemen are thriving, everyone else loses.

Travel was already horrible after 9/11 and the idiotic anti terrorism rules.

The myriad of different covid regulations make traveling ridiculously hard, even for people who are vaccinated, at least in Europe.

I was planning a multi countries trip and I gave up after a week of trying to find reliable testing facilities for a good price, matching with flights, matching with Airbnbs. My stomach ulcer started to act up because of the extra stress so I decided to avoid the pain.

We'll just book a one way flight, do one stupid test, cross one border, stay in one country and book everything last minute after we know we passed whatever idiotic rules are valid at the moment.

Instead of "stomach ulcers", wouldn't you rather consult a professional...travel agent?
I legitimately cannot tell if this is a line from a TV commercial.
My point is that I never needed one before these 1.5 years of collective hysteria and bureaucrats spouting new rules every day.
No one's forcing you to use a travel agent, but middlemen aren't bad simply for existing. In this case, upon a frothy sea of changing regulations, you can either keep pace with all of the regulations, orrrrrrrr you could pay someone else to do it.
He’s faulting the regulations for creating a complex situation that requires expertise, not saying no one should pay to navigate them.
> When middlemen are thriving, everyone else loses.

You may be right, but that's the particular phrase I took issue with.

That’s fine—hopefully you understand what he meant by it now.
I agree with you and I find the other comments dismissing you to be completely mind blowing and heartless.

We are making society increasingly more difficult to navigate and creating more barriers that imped the movement of people. We are all hurt by these policies and I have not seen sufficient evidence that they do anything to curb the spread of covid now with high transmission rates all over the world. The time for travel restrictions for most of the world has long passed.

Without delving into COVID-related travel restrictions, the very first sentence was about dismissing middlemen in general. There are middlemen who add value and those who... don't. But the idea that I should, for example, be only able to buy a product directly from the manufacturer is not a great idea. Amazon retail and Alibaba and Walmart (among many many others) are middlemen.
I'm giving the commenter some grace and I do not truly believe they meant all middlemen are bad. I think your interpretation requires you to assume too much intent. And also that claim at face value is preposterous, which is why I don't think they are making that.
You're right, I could have been more kind to middlemen.

I agree there are middlemen who add value.

I also think that when middlemen become essentials, it's a sign we are over-regulating society.

I have a lot of respect for Amazon in the early days: they really changed the world of online shopping.

In the last years, they didn't innovate their e-commerce offering and I attribute a lot of their growth to pure government regulation.

The great european VATMOSS (together with GDPR, SCA, cookie banners) killed small independent e-commerces with and pushed the survivors on Amazon, just to avoid the complexity. Let all remember how VATMOSS was supposed to "tax big tech". COVID lockdowns are now killing physical small businesses and Amazon is benefiting from it.

All middlemen provide "some" value, or else they get eliminated by the market. Sure, some might stick around vestigially for momentum sake, but that gets worked out over the long run.

The question is more one of a value judgement. Is that value "fair" at its price? At the vary least many middle-provide market making functions. Even with your more recent Amazon example, there was nothing stopping smaller e-commerce stores from complying with VATMOSS. If Amazon wasn't there, most of them probably would have been able to hire consultants or other firms to help them comply. They didn't because Amazon was cheaper/easier. Is the loss of control to Amazon worth it? For the vendor? For society? Unclear, but we are only in the position because of the value Amazon provided even it comes with a social cost.

I'm arguing against regulation; before VATMOSS was there small businesses didn't need to comply.

The question I'm hinting at is: is Amazon using the money they earned in their first phase by being a useful middleman to push the narrative in a certain direction (eg. lobbying, owning a newspaper, etc) and influence governmental bodies so that they introduce more regulation which Amazon benefit from?

If the capital we're giving to Amazon gets reinvested to make everyone's life more complicated so that we need more Amazon and Amazon can grow more, then it's not something I want to spend my money on.

All the complications you're describing can be helped with having a travel agent... this is literally why you pay someone a commission.

The idea that its just a massive waste of money among the tech space is hilarious when people will also make the most minute changes to their workflow to save fractions of a second, but not pay someone $50 to remove hours of headache from a fun event like a holiday.

I've had no issues doing a bit of pandemic travel around the US and Latin America. It's important to pick your targets wisely, and Europe is not a wise target at this juncture.

And contrary to what you're saying, I've gotten some awesome travel deals during the pandemic. I had many months of AirBnBs for 20-30% less than the normal rate.

Just be a reasonable person and go to only one country. There’s enough stuff to see in France, Spain or Germany to last you a lifetime.
the borders should actually be closed, these people are helping spread variants quickly
Travel agencies/advisors can be useful in a lot of specialized situations. I don't mean agencies that will just book the flight/business-class hotel/cruise you'd easily find on Expedia. But a bunch of B&Bs/Inns and transportation for a walking trip in England or some other location where lodging and transportation options can be hard to research.

Yes, one can do everything by themselves. But sometimes it's worth letting a middleman who actually adds value do some of the work.

This is very useful in hard to reach areas, examples: Prudhoe Bay in Alaska or Uyuni salt flats in Bolivia. You can go there yourself, no one is stopping you, but there's no infrastructure and basically no people for hundreds of miles. And I doubt it will ever change unless the infrastructure gets developed in those areas.
Yes. It helps to have local knowledge. And, yes, there's a lot more of that on the web than there was twenty-some years ago. But I'm still willing to pay for a professional who has first-hand knowledge about an area that has pretty fragmentary information online.

No. I'm probably not going to pay a professional to plan my trip to NYC unless it has some very specific niche focus that they're expert in. But less traveled areas? Sure, if there's an appropriate pro available.

Just even if its not hard to research it can be hard to book flights being sure to get the best price with all the bull airlines pull, secure hotels in a decent area, etc. It feels sorta like a homework assignment. There's a market for someone who will do that for you imo.
My experience is that, for typical travel, the typical mass market travel agent is going to do very little to optimize other than showing you the same flights you'd get on an airline website or hotels you'd pull up on Expedia/bookings.com. Airline travel can sometimes get complicated but, in my experience traveling to a bunch of different countries, it's fairly rare that the standard travel systems break down. (And I'm not actually sure that a travel agent would get me better fares under those circumstances.)
There is a lot of friction booking your own travel in my experience. I still gotta find time to go to the website and pull up flights and evaluate decent connections, pull up another website to find out where in the destination to stay, pull up another one to look up hotels in that area, pull up another to find things to do, and another to find things to eat. Like I said, its a homework assignment, sometimes it takes me a lot of time vetting all these options when I do it on my own. Or, I could pay a travel agent to do all of that for me and not even think of it at all, beyond handing over cash and getting a pretty decent vacation out of it with no effort on my part.
In the rare instances I've used them, i felt like they did the easy parts that I would have been fine doing, and didnt solve the actual problems I had - lack of familiarity with where I was going, flight options, etc.

I find this with lots of services. The help they provide is superficial and basically covers the easiest or most mechanical part of the task. But the actual intellectual part, they want to leave up to you. I'd much rather get my hand held on the decision making part, then filling out the form or whatever that may be annoying but is not particularly hard, even if it's the first time.

Ironically, in my business, I find it challenging to get people to trust you to give advice, they would rather come with a pre-determined, usually wrong, plan, and try to get me to implement it and take responsibility for the outcome. Which is maybe why services end up being more superficial, because people would rather tell someone else what to do than defer to expertise

I've found specialist travel agencies useful for more complex trips. When I book a hiking tour in the Himalayas/Andes/etc, they can arrange guides and other staff, book accommodation in 15 different places, handle the logistics, arrange the necessary permits and admission tickets, provide some of the more specialized gear, and so on. And when things go wrong, for example due to bad weather or flight delays, it's up to them to adjust the plans.
Can you give the name of one of these agencies?
> But a bunch of B&Bs/Inns and transportation for a walking trip in England

Is this something travel agents actually have any sort of exclusive access to? I thought travel agents were just resellers for existing travel packages. So if some tourism bureau has gone to the effort of assembling a package deal for a bunch of b&B's or inns to do a walking tour, the travel agent can book it for you. Or you can go to the tourism bureau's website and book it yourself. The travel agent isn't doing the work, they're just connecting you with a different middleman.

It's not any exclusive access you're paying for, but their experience of where to look and what to look for and how to put it together. Someone who builds interesting trips all day every day will do a better job than me fumbling around guessing at how to do it.

Just like a chef doesn't have exclusive access to ingredients, but they know what to buy and how to put it together.

In this example, it's not reselling travel packages. There are individual B&Bs/inns, luggage transfer companies, taxis/car services, customized information packages, etc. You can of course figure out all of this on your own. But if your interest is primarily in the trip rather than planning the logistics for the trip there's a lot to be said for just connecting with a company who can largely plan an itinerary for you, book everything, and you just give them a credit card number.
yeah, i guess my question was just is that actually a service travel agents offer? like, have you personally had any experience using a travel agent for that, and it's worked out for you?

Because it sounds great, and a little too good to be true. In my (admittedly limited) experience with travel agents, that's not really what they do, nor is it something i'd trust them to do - the travel agents don't seem to have any specialized local knowledge, what they do have is a catalogue that their agency has provided them with and they can help you choose a package from the predefined ones in their catalogue. This sort of concierge travel agent is not something i'm familiar with.

In 2020 I had booked several international flights for my team, all using a travel agency that has served me well for year. Within weeks after it was clear we needed to cancel everything, I had full refunds. I cannot stress enough, for business travel it's just so much easier. I use https://flightfox.com. They have never once asked me to promote them - I just really love this company: their business model is that you pay them a fee and they find you cheaper/easier flights but you get the bonus agency services as well.
I built https://www.beatthatflight.com.au which works as a comparison flight/hotel search, as well as a deals finder website with an email subscription service. It's been incredible to see the changes on traffic, bookings and my revenue tanked 97% in April 2020 (good thing it's a side hustle) - Aussie centric website, so when the borders were closed, travel stopped.

The advantage of OTAs is you often can find cheaper hotels/flights than travel agents provide. However, some travel agents will then match or beat these prices.

The upside of a travel agent is when things go pearshaped. A lot of OTAs are based overseas and are (apparently) reluctant to deal with refunds/rebookings as readily, and you have to deal directly with them. Try speaking to the airline and they say 'oh you booked with an OTA, talk to them', and the OTA will say 'we're waiting to hear from the airline'. A travel agent will often do all this hunting/arguing for you, and can access Sabre/other GDSs to modify bookings themselves.

I've backpacked solo through most of the 'stans and South America. It's doable. But with a family, say? Or with a group of friends with fixed timelines (eg x weeks of annual leave) I'd be using a travel agent myself for some more adventurous travels.

What GDS are you using for your prices? I did a lot of work with Sabre for years.
I did too for a short time as a consultant at a travel company in Sydney. Most of mine is being provided to me via a Russian integration platform that relies primarily on Amadeus data.
Thanks for a helping me score a few great deals over the years!

I’ve always been curious, how much % of your traffic is from the ozbargain posts compared to people coming to the site directly?

Also is there much to be made on affiliate commission on flights or is it just optimistically hoping for hotel/car reservations?

ozbargain helps get me new audiences. Organic traffic slowly grows, but if I don't have a deal on ozb most of my traffic is recurring visitors, fb, newsletter or organic.

There's ok commission money on flights (that's why it's a side hustle) - although if people booked hotels with every flight I'd do a LOT better ;)

"Travel has grown difficult thanks to virus-related complexity..."

Too damn bad. Travel was the number one reason this virus was able to proliferate so quickly. That needs to get fixed; the next virus might not be so gentle.

How do you find one that’s good? Seems like it would be difficult to separate the good ones from the bad