There were hundreds of videos of poll workers behaving in ways that ranged from suspicious to obviously illegal. Many have since been removed from social media. I don't like Trump and never voted for him, but his supporters who watched video after video oddly reminiscent of those in the OP's thread aren't unreasonable in feeling cheated.
He says 'they're throwing all the republican challengers out of this room' and a woman replies 'no they're not'. The man in the video isn't demanding anything like what the tweet describes.
I have to think you're engaging in this in bad faith because you're using misleading tweets to guide the discussion.
I see what you mean. I misheard the beginning of the man's statement and understood that he was making the demand. I'm not sure why you'd assume bad faith, I just linked another video which was posted in the replies of the previous one.
You don't need to cover cameras with mops when you empty poll workers out of the building for a mysterious burst pipe for which there doesn't appear to be any actual evidence of damage...among many other suspicious behaviors, documented on videos that are gradually being scrubbed from the web for "misinformation".
Its amazing how people can see these things happening in countries like Russia but then confidently declare that no such manipulation occurred here.
This footage was mainly released to counter the Giuliani narrative that secret ballots were wheeled in under a table in the morning, then pulled out and scanned after the observers left. In fact Giuliani's presenter conveniently skipped past the part of the video where the ballots are put under that table in view of the observers after being processed from envelopes normally.
But these videos also clear up the confusion around the burst pipe, which was a pretty straightforward issue in the morning, not related to the stop-and-start counting around midnight that is so controversial.
I think this was actually meant to be informative rather than a joke. A Canadian reading this headline might naturally assume this was in relation to the election currently on-going there, rather than Russia, locality bias being what it is.
I think the US elections have left a pretty serious sore spot that's going to be a long time in healing. I suspect your comment was being read as sarcastically implying that the same thing was happening in Canada as well. Especially since (and correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't really kept up on Canadian politics) I've gotten the impression that the USA drama has crept north, or at least Canada is going through a somewhat similar phase.
I had a discussion with some friends about how impressive it is that Putin can do so many outrageous things and the world doesn’t stop him. Clear election fraud, assassinating foreigners, invading Crimea, etc. there are very few other countries that get free passes like Putin does.
Wish Russia was the only country with this. Many politicians all over the world do similar stuff and the only way I think would "change" things might be the public being more educated about who these politicians really are and have a new paradigm about the view of a "country" and politics.
I don't think this is any surprise really. Russia is still a big, powerful country, and the West has changed it's attitude so that it's less concerned about things that don't directly challenge its interests.
I mean, China gets away with much worse I think (Uyghurs, South China Ses belligerence, Hong Kong, etc.), and they get little substantive pushback for the same reason as Russia.
All the great powers act this way, because they can. No one wanted to fight a nuclear war over Crimea and when the time comes, no one will fight a nuclear war over Taiwan. And no one is going to war with a European power the next time they intervene in one of their current or former colonies. Then there's the US...
It's all about money. Countries like Germany and France depend heavily on Russia and are willing to basically ignore everything. They roll out their strongly worded responses and the next day build pipelines or sell equipment that should be on a sanctions list.
NATO is a joke and everyone knows it. Russia will do what it wants and their opinion is that Euro's can go fuck themselves. There isn't one country or a group of countries in Western Europe that could even muster a military response to any Russian actions. I've spoken with many and that is basically their attitude. They like Putin, he doesn't take shit from the West. Really, the only country in the world that is currently at war with them barely gets a mention anymore. Do people even know what country it is? Probably not.
It's a new world, Western Europe and America is a joke, everyone knows they don't have the will to stand up to Russia or China (at least this administration), they're more concerned about diversity and wokism....
I mean it's possible that it could have happened, but I feel like if you're going to make claims like this, there's a pretty high threshold of evidence required.
There's approximately as much evidence for Russian election fraud as there was for the 2020 US election: that is to say, some numerical anomalies, and poll workers acting strangely, with a few unlikely coincidences, but nothing that reaches the bar of hard evidence.
But the same people dismissing these claims in the US last year on the basis of "no evidence" are screaming positive affirmations about the same thing in Russia.
People are making affirmative claims of fraud on the basis of political priors in both cases, not actual evidence on hand.
Without mass mail in ballots this kind of fraud necessarily has to happen on camera in polling stations.
Edit: downvotes are welcome but doesn't change the fact that mass opt-out mail in ballots are a disaster for democracy, given they destroy the secret ballot and chain of custody guarantees we expect in fair elections. this was well accepted just a short while ago by anyone reasonable regardless of political leaning. seeing people on camera being caught cheating because of centralized polling stations putting cameras on them is just one of a million things that should wake people up again why we, up until a few months ago, ran elections the way we did.
This could be the last time we see these funny videos. In this elections they “defeated” all opposition candidates with electronic ballot. Before electronic ballot results, even with all election fraud you see on camera, 90% of opposition candidates were winning in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. Electronic ballot results were delayed by a few hours and when they released it turned out that opposition lost everywhere. This means next time they won’t even bother with a fraud in camera, they just put the numbers they need in a computer and declare a victory.
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[ 2.6 ms ] story [ 100.0 ms ] threadThere's also video of the poll workers demanding that all Republican challengers leave.
https://twitter.com/_New_Revolution/status/13240914159246745...
There were hundreds of videos of poll workers behaving in ways that ranged from suspicious to obviously illegal. Many have since been removed from social media. I don't like Trump and never voted for him, but his supporters who watched video after video oddly reminiscent of those in the OP's thread aren't unreasonable in feeling cheated.
I have to think you're engaging in this in bad faith because you're using misleading tweets to guide the discussion.
Its amazing how people can see these things happening in countries like Russia but then confidently declare that no such manipulation occurred here.
https://securevotega.com/factcheck/
This footage was mainly released to counter the Giuliani narrative that secret ballots were wheeled in under a table in the morning, then pulled out and scanned after the observers left. In fact Giuliani's presenter conveniently skipped past the part of the video where the ballots are put under that table in view of the observers after being processed from envelopes normally.
But these videos also clear up the confusion around the burst pipe, which was a pretty straightforward issue in the morning, not related to the stop-and-start counting around midnight that is so controversial.
Then again seeing how heavily im downvoted. Guess I touched on a rough subject.
Liberals picked up 46.7% of the seats in parliament off 32.2% of the vote. Highly over represented.
Conservatives marginally won another election but won't form the government. They got 35% of the seats from 34% of the vote.
NDP got 7% of the seats off 17.7% of the vote. Highly under represented.
PPC got 0% of the seats off 6% of the vote. Highly under represented. Roughly a million Canadians are not represented in government.
Greens got 0.5% of the seats off 2.3% of the vote. Though their leader/campaign was poor.
There are some serious discrepancies in these numbers.
I mean, China gets away with much worse I think (Uyghurs, South China Ses belligerence, Hong Kong, etc.), and they get little substantive pushback for the same reason as Russia.
NATO is a joke and everyone knows it. Russia will do what it wants and their opinion is that Euro's can go fuck themselves. There isn't one country or a group of countries in Western Europe that could even muster a military response to any Russian actions. I've spoken with many and that is basically their attitude. They like Putin, he doesn't take shit from the West. Really, the only country in the world that is currently at war with them barely gets a mention anymore. Do people even know what country it is? Probably not.
It's a new world, Western Europe and America is a joke, everyone knows they don't have the will to stand up to Russia or China (at least this administration), they're more concerned about diversity and wokism....
Junk away...
Edit: election fraud in other countries
Though it's probably more obvious where the flags are coming from in those cases.
> If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
There's approximately as much evidence for Russian election fraud as there was for the 2020 US election: that is to say, some numerical anomalies, and poll workers acting strangely, with a few unlikely coincidences, but nothing that reaches the bar of hard evidence.
But the same people dismissing these claims in the US last year on the basis of "no evidence" are screaming positive affirmations about the same thing in Russia.
People are making affirmative claims of fraud on the basis of political priors in both cases, not actual evidence on hand.
Edit: downvotes are welcome but doesn't change the fact that mass opt-out mail in ballots are a disaster for democracy, given they destroy the secret ballot and chain of custody guarantees we expect in fair elections. this was well accepted just a short while ago by anyone reasonable regardless of political leaning. seeing people on camera being caught cheating because of centralized polling stations putting cameras on them is just one of a million things that should wake people up again why we, up until a few months ago, ran elections the way we did.