Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change?
I work as a software engineer at a big company and want to actively and directly in some way help fight climate change. Volunteering part time, maybe working full time on whatever it is if I can support myself. I feel like my skills could be useful but I’m not sure what problems specifically are important and relevant to my skillset.
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-having-children-make-people-...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5222535/
https://www.pnas.org/content/111/4/1328
You can fill in the blanks with anything and still have a fulfilled life.
I want to be a billion, but I won't because I'm poor.
I want to travel to 100 countries, but I won't because climate change and lack of time.
I want to eat steak every night, but I won't because climate change and impact to my health.
These compromises don't make me unable to have a fulfilling life.
Ironically enough, even though Chinese is the biggest contributor of greenhouse gases right now, they're likely going to be the least in a few decades, considering how much engineering they're putting into nuclear reactor research and experimentation.
2. Have less kids or no kids.
3. Drive an EV or don't own a car at all (if possible).
4. Avoid air travel.
5. Eat less meat or no meat.
6. Work for companies who are growing rapidly in the EV, renewable energy/energy storage, carbon sequestration, and lab grown ag space. Push out fossil fuel usage for electricity and transportation.
(in that order)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-...
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541
Hell of a lot more effective than punishing yourself to reduce global meat consumption by .00000001% .
Or just come to terms with the fact that for good or bad you just don't matter and try to live your life without doing unnecessary excessive harm.
Yes it is not effective if you're the only one in the world doing it, but it has always been about convincing others to drastically reduce or stop completely, whether through word of mouth or policy change.
Producing animal products is unsustainable and come with enormous environmental impacts [1][2]. We need both top-down and bottom-up approaches. So it's worthwhile what individuals and companies/governments choose to do. It's not one or the other.
[1] https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food [2] https://ourworldindata.org/land-use
But you aren't going to convince me that it's fixing any problem.
I'll continue to be honest.
At that scale it really doesn't matter at all. It's a percentage of a percentage. The reverse of orders of magnitudes.
I guess when you are running a G20 country let me know and then at that point I would still say you're in for a struggle. I won't hold my breath.
So yeah. Your and my individual actions don't mean the slightest thing for climate change regardless of how you frame it. I'm sorry if that narrative doesn't make you feel good.
Looks like you do agree that at real scale it would have an impact. But whether you're an individual or a G20 leader, none of what we do matters?
I do agree we're locked into a web of incentives that discourages us from making sustainable choices. It's not any single person's fault. A few individuals giving up meat won't slow down climate change. At the same time, consuming more and more meat like we do now certainly helps accelerate it. Not to mention what we eat is only a small part of the equation. Now we're looking at changing our behaviours in many other areas too.
It's a predicament indeed. What can people actually do? They can continue business as usual, or worse, double down and consume even more, or they can change their behaviour. Each action is a vote. Just like in elections, one vote doesn't matter, a lot of votes do.
Yes it may not matter. Yes they might be hypocrites and just doing it to make their egos feel good. Or maybe they just want to be more compassionate and do what they can to contribute no matter how small. And in a violent world like ours, if there are people wanting to make compassionate choices, we should encourage them.
Look up "effective altruism" and find some recommended charities to donate to.
What you can do is:
* a) find someone working on climate change, and help write software for them part-time as a volunteer
* b) brainstorm an idea for a site/app, and build it yourself (and of course post it to HN)
* c) quit your job, join an organization focused on climate change, and do some work
* d) start researching more about climate change until you can make a better choice about a or b or c
If you can't commit a big chunk of time to it, then research good orgs focused on climate change, and donate money to them (or angel invest in them). That's the next best thing you can do.
- https://www.climatechange.ai/
- Just found this: https://workonclimate.org/
Individual action matters a lot. Yes corporations are those that need to carry out the ultimate change. So the thing where corporations "blame" individuals for climate/pollution is bogus. But as consumers and as employees we have a strong impact on the environment and should advocate for that.
It even rings a bit hypocritical if subsequently you say support organizations that put the onus elsewhere.
Eat meat, but only meat that is sustainably raised. Depending on the size of your lawn, you probably can raise a couple meat or egg chickens on the natural flora/fauna in your yard and table scraps. There are CSAs that raise only pastured eggs/chicken/hogs/beef without fossil-based grain inputs.
Meat is healthy, but yes, it is fossil-intensive in the modern era. But it doesn't have to be. There are zero-fossil options.
Bill Burr put it quite succinctly: “that’s not a family photo; it’s an environmental disaster and you’ve framed it!” [0]
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[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wq_edHqpdA
https://youtu.be/C_TtTEw9w4s
https://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/coefaq.html
If a small group of like-minded people decide to not have kids in the name of the planet, the effect would probably pale in comparison to the masses that don't hear and/or don't care about these climate change messages. I imagine the "real" solution would have to be one that doesn't require people to willingly change their way of life.
By that logic anything you do is useless. But personally not having own kid is the single most effective thing anyone can do. People can just adopt instead.
Adopting a child is totally different than having your own kid(s) and I’m guessing based on your comments that you don’t have a child.
2021: 8 billion
2050: 10 billion
Resources are finite. The world is not only ours, what about the animals and plants? Are we giving them enough space to thrive? Killing them will kill us, and our children too.
What PR and lies have you fallen for, to say individual actions don't matter? Actions have consequences. Each action is a vote. One vote doesn't matter, a lot of votes do. What are you voting for?
Giving love and safety to children who need it now is a noble act. Totally different? Maybe. But love is love. All humans come from the same source. No need to discriminate, let's spread love to all.
Dow Jones in 2022: 34,000
Maybe the Dow Jones is causing climate change!
Countries participating in the Olympics in 1896: 27
Countries participating in the Olympic in 2021: 197
No wait, the Olympics are what’s causing climate change!
> totally different than having your own kid
Why? Why does one need one's genes to care for a child and to be a parent. Your comment is just complete character attack "stupid". If it's so big issue, than may be don't kid yourself about doing anything that will reduce actual climate crisis.
In the past, workers formed unions and collectively bargained with governments and employers to reduce working hours down to the standard work week we know today. We could reduce this further to a 4- or a 3-day work week.
We could also use collective worker power to demand many other things, such as stricter environmental standards in the workplace, just as we bargained for stricter health standards in the past. Or better environmental standards for children in schools or for public spaces, just as we bargained for children's rights and other standards in the past. (All these modern standards were fought for, they were not handed out freely)
Unions are bad for environment. They block progress and force subsidies on old, inefficient and dirty technologies. Soviet Union had horrible environmental record.
[0] https://qz.com/690321/leonardo-dicaprio-took-an-outrageous-8...
How does a culture change? It starts with a courageous minority [1], composed of many individuals, who have "no impact as a consumer" but collectively they do have the power to influence the majority.
[1] https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
Not having kid is the most effective thing anyone can do.
You can just adopt instead, raise them to be ethical. It should not be so controversial. You can be a parent without giving birth.
Also bringing a kid without their consent to this dying planet and then make them fix it (which due to their ancestor's screw ups and comfort) looks like a punishment by parents, pretty selfish. These kids already have jobs to perform before even born. I sure don't want my kids to suffer this disaster and without their consent.
Data conclusively indicates real-world climate change is tracking RCP8.5, the IPCC’s “worst case scenario”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fliCxyAwBWU&t=719s
Clearly you don’t have children if you think having a child doesn’t change your lifestyle.
> Also bringing a kid without their consent to this dying planet and then make them fix it…looks like a punishment by parents, pretty selfish
Here’s a tip, don’t use this line on a first date.
Regarding lifestyle, I chose wrong word, not my first language. It's what and how you want your life that you don't want to compromise for climate crisis.
On the one hand, it is a very effective way to reduce your carbon footprint if you can do it. On the other hand, for many people it conflicts with one of the most basic human desires, which is life-defining for lots of the population.
As an analogy, if you asked people to be celibate you could guarantee that no new babies would come along even if birth-control-methods failed; a huge net positive! Despite that, sex is a basic human experience that many see as integral to their vision of a life, and it'd be controversial to seemingly impose that restriction on others.
tl;dr: no controversy in you doing you, sometimes controversy in you asking others to similarly do you
I'm _very_ excited to be a tiny part in helping humanity solve one of our biggest problems.
I just don't think being a vegetarian has impact... it's something you do to keep consistent with your worldview or morality, not to mitigate climate change.
An individual's actions does have an impact, albeit a small one. It is measurable (CO2 savings from not eating that meat). Discouraging individuals from participating in individual efforts will prevent the group from achieving scale.
Yet each of these actions can be quantified in terms of CO2 no emitted or resources preserved. There is an impact, and that impact becomes apparent given sufficient scale and time.
One's choice not to have kids could very well provide exponential savings when compared to one's personal lifetime emissions/consumption when looking over generations.
Al Gore has arguably done more than anyone else (at the upper levels) but his ownership of multiple houses (with heated pools) goes against the message he preached.
Bernie Sanders owns multiple houses, too.
John Kerry famously flies a private jet all over the place and parties on yachts (which he parks in places to minimize taxes).
I actually dislike people who don't take the personal action, yet work to make others sacrifice for the cause.
On the other hand, I have respect for people like Ralph Nader and Jimmy Carter, who actually lead humble lives and lead by example.
Edit: This guy eats meat without any greenhouse emissions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO-LFVHpA4s
I would suggest focusing on work that motivates and scales, just as people do in the for-profit sector. Activism that puts political and economic pressure on the large corporations who are the worst polluters provide the biggest bang for the buck. As just one example, there is a movement to divest from fossil fuel companies. Better software might help activists reach more people and mobilize them to pressure the boards of the universities they work for, etc.
Another issue we currently have in the country is that corporate interests collect huge amounts of data to sway elections, while activists without those same deep pockets are outmatched and outgunned. So any software that helps support voter turnout, voter equity, etc., would also indirectly help address climate change and other injustices.
Lots of people have this idea, including me in the past.
It doesn't work. Nonprofit professionals aren't stupid. They know volunteers disappear as soon as something else comes up (paid work, kids, just wanting to relax, etc.) Most of them won't waste their time with "skilled volunteers."
If you want to help a cause, you have to get into the mud. It needs to be your focus. These are complex problems with lots of stakeholders that are highly tuned to whether you actually give a shit or whether you're a tourist trying to make yourself feel better about working for a big corporation.
I would also accept "pay people to not have kids", similar to how some countries pay people to have kids [1] [2] [3] [4]. Not having kids has value, and hence those who choose not to should be compensated appropriately.
EDIT: @EForEndeavour: People who have children receive tax credits and benefits simply for having them (US centric) and their future impacts are externalities.
[1] https://qz.com/200728/what-countries-around-the-world-give-t...
[2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carte_famille_nombreuse
[3] https://www.france24.com/en/20130611-why-french-women-make-m...
[4] https://www.vhemt.org/bbbounty.htm
Less humans will surely make more effect than any of other things you do. You can just adopt instead and raise them.
Join Airminers! Carbon capture is really the only solution at this point. https://airminers.org/
Preventing carbon release is a political problem, and OP could work to support pro-environment politicians.
I can see changing subsidies around to make meat more expensive as a matter of public policy being more effective at changing individual behavior than trying to convince them on moral grounds.
It won't happen by buying different stuff, but by spending our time working on projects with others that are not supporting the current system but are building a different one that is not as destructive for the climate.
But it's the individual consumer that's ultimately responsible for all of the emissions? Corporations aren't emitting carbon for their own enjoyment.
> Just 100 of all the hundreds of thousands of companies in the world have been responsible for 71% of the global GHG emissions that cause global warming since 1998, according to The Carbon Majors Database, a report recently published by the Carbon Disclosure Project (CDP)...
But working for "the next Tesla" would be the most potential positive impact, given that Tesla has already achieved its goal of forcing the car industry towards EVs.
You could make a list of the most harmful industries and work at a company trying to force them into change, like Tesla is doing with the auto industry.
If you're not totally set on doing direct work for climate change, you could consider a similar strategy. In my case, I think it's probably more impactful than I could be if I tried to pivot into a climate-related career.
This, or starting/joining a worker's union that can similarly exert political power through the labor force. We need radical change right now and that will need radical tactics.
This means that the following are going to take too long:
- "Doing your part", i.e. the regular "don't eat meat", "consume environmentally friendly things", and all those things that will only work over a horizon of 100+ years.
- Accumulating a ton of wealth and then using it to lobby. This would have worked 50 years ago but we need people to use this kind of big money NOW.
- Helping activists set up their websites and other tech things. We're past the point where activism alone will save us.
Our world has just started runaway heating, and Arctic methane is now being released, which is 100x worse than carbon. The ONLY thing that can save us at this point is a hail Mary shot of sequestration of greenhouse gases and at the same time, active cooling of the planet. Build this kind of tech, or join others building it. There are a few companies coming out that do this kind of thing. We need breathing room above all else, because even with tech 50 years is very little time.
Edit: Aaaand now the downvotes. I don't know why I even bother contributing here.
We are very reliant on industry/automation as an efficiency multiplier for sustinance. Really, anything that disrupts our ability to automate in the long term (power/water/comms/logistics/chip fab), disrupts our ability to farm industrially, which lowers Earth's carrying capacity. Which risks a large die-off, which risks more of the above.
Humans are really bad at anticipating cascade failures.
Basically he had the same question, talks about the themes in the posters, empower - engage - cultivate - electrify. When asked what the average person can do, his answer was basically 'donate money to elect democrats' and honestly I agree. You can spend thousands of dollars or thousands of hours of volunteering, but its the politicians that are deciding how to spend trillions. Outside of that, I can recommend the book "Climate - a new story" by Charles Eisenstein, it argues against focusing on a single metric of CO2 ppm (and includes an aside on the war-analogy we default to when we decide to fight something ;). Basically it suggests we focus more on creating a healthy biosphere, explains the connections between weather, chemistry, and life. It's got me convinced that planting trees is the right approach, but not just to sequester carbon, but to increase the amount and variety of life on earth.
[0] https://www.alieward.com/ologies/drawdowndesignproject
Real problem and solutions:
I'm not a climate change expert, but I do know that people react to incentive. And right now, there's no penalty to killing the planet so we can't blame people for making the decisions they're making. And policy makers can't set real policies because of fear (rightfully so) of not being elected.It seems like we'll need to wait until the Earth is almost doomed before implementing these policies, but then it might be too late. Maybe another way is to have a "bad guy climate change" that all political party would need to take into account as part of their mandate, so the votes would be about who can best solve these issues rather than whether they should be tackled.
Agree in general, yet from what i've read most of the worlds hydro (read: river) resources are already being tapped extensively. Although hydro makes up a healthy chunk today, can it expand and grow along with our increasing energy demands when we've already tapped the largest rivers? I am curious if you have sources that show hydro can grow.
I recall reading this counter to hydro in a Smil book (Growth I believe) although I will have to double check which one.
Furthermore, mixing solar, wind, hydro, geo thermal etc provides an additional level of reliability and scale. These are all very reliable when combined together and need fewer storage options.
And yes, some storage makes sense. Not a lot, but the value here is the fast response time for peaks/lows in consumption.
Notice I'm not against nuclear which is a valid option. But right now the financials don't back nuclear as much as it did 5 years ago. Building a nuclear plant is expensive and slow. The costs didn't drop since you need a completely different level of security/reliability. The cost of renewables dropped like a stone. You can build them almost instantly since objections are low by comparison. So you'd end up solving things much faster with renewables than you would with nuclear, no PC involved.
If you need less money, work for a nonprofit focused on environmental issues or research. Working for a politician's campaign might be a good way to apply tech, marketing, or management skills.
Don't volunteer. The vast majority of the value is for the volunteer, not for the nonprofit.
When you're a (very) part-time volunteer, you'll never get deep enough into their problems that your contributions will outweigh the cost to manage/train you.
It's better to advance your own career and donate money to full-time people who are able to devote all of their work time to the issue.
(Source: ran a nonprofit for a few years that sourced skilled volunteers for other orgs)