Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change?

57 points by throwaway53459 ↗ HN
I work as a software engineer at a big company and want to actively and directly in some way help fight climate change. Volunteering part time, maybe working full time on whatever it is if I can support myself. I feel like my skills could be useful but I’m not sure what problems specifically are important and relevant to my skillset.

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Stop eating meat and make it easy for people to find out why and how.
Congratulations, you have effectively done nothing by following this advice.
don't procreate. stop eating meat. vote.
> don’t procreate

This is stupid. Choosing to not have a kid will have absolutely no effect on climate change and would make life less fulfilling.

I was framing it in the “I want to have a kid but won’t because I want to help stop climate change”. Those people will be un-fulfilled because their individual action will not have any effect on climate change, but would affect their life tremendously.
"I want to ___, but I won't because ____"

You can fill in the blanks with anything and still have a fulfilled life.

I want to be a billion, but I won't because I'm poor.

I want to travel to 100 countries, but I won't because climate change and lack of time.

I want to eat steak every night, but I won't because climate change and impact to my health.

These compromises don't make me unable to have a fulfilling life.

If you want to visit 100 countries and don't, then part of you is unfulfilled. Otherwise you didn't really want to do that. And go ahead and visit them...you traveling to 100 countries won't stop the climate crisis one iota, and would actually probably help it by spreading your money around the world where people can put it to better use.
My grandparents had 5 kids. Each of those kids have had 4 kids. that is 25 people having a non-zero pollution footprint. Better to just stop the chain and let the earth heal.
if you don't procreate, your political opponents will eventually outnumber you. you need the next generation to vote too.
Depends on the timeline. Long term unsexy answer is don’t have kids. Compounding matters.
Probably coding a website to make it easy to lobby for nuclear reactors in the US.

Ironically enough, even though Chinese is the biggest contributor of greenhouse gases right now, they're likely going to be the least in a few decades, considering how much engineering they're putting into nuclear reactor research and experimentation.

I wish there were more people lobbying for nuclear power out there. I might look into this option myself as I want to see the US become less of a nuclear power house on the weapon side of things and more on the domestic power and service side of things.
Let's not forget that electricity represents only a third of total electricity consumption. China, by with its energy intensive industry (steel, cement), will remain de facto one of the largest greenhouse vases contributor
1. Vote for representatives who believe in climate change or run for office yourself.

2. Have less kids or no kids.

3. Drive an EV or don't own a car at all (if possible).

4. Avoid air travel.

5. Eat less meat or no meat.

6. Work for companies who are growing rapidly in the EV, renewable energy/energy storage, carbon sequestration, and lab grown ag space. Push out fossil fuel usage for electricity and transportation.

(in that order)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-...

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541

You'll probably make the biggest impact by working at a hedge fund and use your excess disposable income to lobby for change
Or if you're more into the arts than math, you can become a famous actor and frequently host yacht parties with bikini-clad models to call attention to the cause, periodically breaking to fly (via private jet of course) to various events to give speeches about climate change.
True but nobody wants to hear it.

Hell of a lot more effective than punishing yourself to reduce global meat consumption by .00000001% .

Or just come to terms with the fact that for good or bad you just don't matter and try to live your life without doing unnecessary excessive harm.

It is not punishing to stop eating animals. It may seem that way if you're not used to it, but it is a fulfilling and healthy way to live with compassion for our planet and fellow living beings; who have consciousness, personality, love for their families and desire to live just like us.

Yes it is not effective if you're the only one in the world doing it, but it has always been about convincing others to drastically reduce or stop completely, whether through word of mouth or policy change.

Producing animal products is unsustainable and come with enormous environmental impacts [1][2]. We need both top-down and bottom-up approaches. So it's worthwhile what individuals and companies/governments choose to do. It's not one or the other.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food [2] https://ourworldindata.org/land-use

I respect people who choose not to eat meat. It doesn't affect me at all. To me it would certainly be punishing myself though.

But you aren't going to convince me that it's fixing any problem.

If you don't want to be convinced then you won't be convinced regardless of any ethical arguments or data-backed evidence. That's fine, not everyone can be rational and open-minded, but please don't discourage others from making compassionate choices.
Nope, an individual not eating meat doesn't affect the bigger picture in the slightest meaningful way. It accomplishes 0 when framed in terms of any end goal. And meat is one of the things that I love in life.

I'll continue to be honest.

What about at scale? Meaning many individuals?
Let's say it was a million individuals you were directly controlling (whereas in reality I doubt you could effect the eating habits of more than 2 or 3, but let's say a million)

At that scale it really doesn't matter at all. It's a percentage of a percentage. The reverse of orders of magnitudes.

I guess when you are running a G20 country let me know and then at that point I would still say you're in for a struggle. I won't hold my breath.

So yeah. Your and my individual actions don't mean the slightest thing for climate change regardless of how you frame it. I'm sorry if that narrative doesn't make you feel good.

Thank you. No need to be sorry. Not everyone needs to spin a narrative to justify their actions to make themselves feel good.

Looks like you do agree that at real scale it would have an impact. But whether you're an individual or a G20 leader, none of what we do matters?

I do agree we're locked into a web of incentives that discourages us from making sustainable choices. It's not any single person's fault. A few individuals giving up meat won't slow down climate change. At the same time, consuming more and more meat like we do now certainly helps accelerate it. Not to mention what we eat is only a small part of the equation. Now we're looking at changing our behaviours in many other areas too.

It's a predicament indeed. What can people actually do? They can continue business as usual, or worse, double down and consume even more, or they can change their behaviour. Each action is a vote. Just like in elections, one vote doesn't matter, a lot of votes do.

Yes it may not matter. Yes they might be hypocrites and just doing it to make their egos feel good. Or maybe they just want to be more compassionate and do what they can to contribute no matter how small. And in a violent world like ours, if there are people wanting to make compassionate choices, we should encourage them.

A lower cost solution here is just to call your congressman. Not many people do it and it can actually make a significant impact. This site walks you through all the steps to do it (which are not many): https://www.codered4climate.org/
Stop eating meat, eggs, and dairy. No ocean cruises. Limit flying.

Look up "effective altruism" and find some recommended charities to donate to.

Eggs, really? How does a significant portion of my food coming from grazing backyard chickens, and not transported thousands of miles, contribute to greenhouse gas emissions?
Do you think that is the case with the overwhelming majority of people?
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Ignore the crunchy comments saying don't eat meat, don't have kids, and don't drive. You have no impact as a consumer or influencer.

What you can do is:

* a) find someone working on climate change, and help write software for them part-time as a volunteer

* b) brainstorm an idea for a site/app, and build it yourself (and of course post it to HN)

* c) quit your job, join an organization focused on climate change, and do some work

* d) start researching more about climate change until you can make a better choice about a or b or c

If you can't commit a big chunk of time to it, then research good orgs focused on climate change, and donate money to them (or angel invest in them). That's the next best thing you can do.

Yeah, all of this but also — stop eating meat
Yes. Parent commenter effectively says votes don't matter. Sure they don't individually, but they signal. If enough people reduce their meat, dairy and egg consumption this will change the market. Fewer industrialized farms, greater scale in vegan alternatives which brings to price reductions which further increases the popularity of vegan alternatives.

Individual action matters a lot. Yes corporations are those that need to carry out the ultimate change. So the thing where corporations "blame" individuals for climate/pollution is bogus. But as consumers and as employees we have a strong impact on the environment and should advocate for that.

And moreover, certainly don't get on message boards where people are genuinely looking for things they can do, and say "don't do crunchy". A few misplaced comments like that can result in a huge missed opportunity.

It even rings a bit hypocritical if subsequently you say support organizations that put the onus elsewhere.

I would slightly amend this:

Eat meat, but only meat that is sustainably raised. Depending on the size of your lawn, you probably can raise a couple meat or egg chickens on the natural flora/fauna in your yard and table scraps. There are CSAs that raise only pastured eggs/chicken/hogs/beef without fossil-based grain inputs.

Meat is healthy, but yes, it is fossil-intensive in the modern era. But it doesn't have to be. There are zero-fossil options.

Not having kids would help a lot in reducing future emissions and pollution though. Would reduce consumption.

Bill Burr put it quite succinctly: “that’s not a family photo; it’s an environmental disaster and you’ve framed it!” [0]

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[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wq_edHqpdA

Ending your own life would be even more helpful, I’m surprised no one has suggested that yet /s
It creates huge suffering to kill, not having own kid does not. You can just adopt instead and be a parent. Simple.
The tough part with these arguments is that's it's not "if you didn't have kids", rather, it's "if a very large number of people didn't have kids".

If a small group of like-minded people decide to not have kids in the name of the planet, the effect would probably pale in comparison to the masses that don't hear and/or don't care about these climate change messages. I imagine the "real" solution would have to be one that doesn't require people to willingly change their way of life.

I suspect most of these arguments come from people who prefer to be vegan or not have kids, trying to change someone else's way of life. As a form of activism, it would probably be more effective if it didn't feel so biased.
> in comparison to the masses that don't hear and/or don't care about these

By that logic anything you do is useless. But personally not having own kid is the single most effective thing anyone can do. People can just adopt instead.

This is SUCH a stupid comment, man. Not having a kid will do absolutely NOTHING to change long term climate change. You’re falling for the PR and lies of the big carbon producing industries that make you believe that you, as an individual, have any impact on climate change at all. You don’t. Sorry if that hurts your “I can change the world” attitude.

Adopting a child is totally different than having your own kid(s) and I’m guessing based on your comments that you don’t have a child.

1800: 1 billion people

2021: 8 billion

2050: 10 billion

Resources are finite. The world is not only ours, what about the animals and plants? Are we giving them enough space to thrive? Killing them will kill us, and our children too.

What PR and lies have you fallen for, to say individual actions don't matter? Actions have consequences. Each action is a vote. One vote doesn't matter, a lot of votes do. What are you voting for?

Giving love and safety to children who need it now is a noble act. Totally different? Maybe. But love is love. All humans come from the same source. No need to discriminate, let's spread love to all.

Dow Jones in 1906: 14

Dow Jones in 2022: 34,000

Maybe the Dow Jones is causing climate change!

Countries participating in the Olympics in 1896: 27

Countries participating in the Olympic in 2021: 197

No wait, the Olympics are what’s causing climate change!

Oh wow you're right! Fossil-fueled industrialisation and athletes jetting around to participate in sporting events have released more carbon into the air, contributing to climate change! This is such an eye-opening insight!
"Stupid" comment (taking from your comment up).
Amount of carbon 1 person uses is more than what you can minimise, so it not NOTHING.

> totally different than having your own kid

Why? Why does one need one's genes to care for a child and to be a parent. Your comment is just complete character attack "stupid". If it's so big issue, than may be don't kid yourself about doing anything that will reduce actual climate crisis.

People who are consious about climate change are the kind of people who should have kids, and propagate those values. The world will be worse off if filled by mindless drones instead.
It's possible to adopt kids and still pass on those values.
As consumer you have an impact, at least it sets an example and gives credibility. This reminds me of "climate activists" who fly around the world in private jets to preach!
Your biggest impact is as a worker. Most of us produce more than we consume (where the excess usually becomes investor profits). We really need to produce less or our consumption won't make a difference.

In the past, workers formed unions and collectively bargained with governments and employers to reduce working hours down to the standard work week we know today. We could reduce this further to a 4- or a 3-day work week.

We could also use collective worker power to demand many other things, such as stricter environmental standards in the workplace, just as we bargained for stricter health standards in the past. Or better environmental standards for children in schools or for public spaces, just as we bargained for children's rights and other standards in the past. (All these modern standards were fought for, they were not handed out freely)

My work laptop uses like 50 watts. My personal consumption just from breathing is way higher.

Unions are bad for environment. They block progress and force subsidies on old, inefficient and dirty technologies. Soviet Union had horrible environmental record.

You are confusing soviet propaganda with soviet reality. There were no worker unions in Soviet Union.
It really grinds my gears when people bring up effigies that does not exist at all in the real world. Very few people fly around the world in private jets. Of those who do, none are environmentalists.
All your points are great, but please don't discourage others to make ethical personal choices. Our culture needs to change and become more compassionate, sustainable and wise in terms the long-term impact of our actions.

How does a culture change? It starts with a courageous minority [1], composed of many individuals, who have "no impact as a consumer" but collectively they do have the power to influence the majority.

[1] https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

Not sure why not having kid is such controversial. I guess people just can't be not selfish, they will find any excuse. People will do anything that does not change their lifestyle, basically all of which are useless compared to what is going on in climate crisis.

Not having kid is the most effective thing anyone can do.

You can just adopt instead, raise them to be ethical. It should not be so controversial. You can be a parent without giving birth.

Also bringing a kid without their consent to this dying planet and then make them fix it (which due to their ancestor's screw ups and comfort) looks like a punishment by parents, pretty selfish. These kids already have jobs to perform before even born. I sure don't want my kids to suffer this disaster and without their consent.

Data conclusively indicates real-world climate change is tracking RCP8.5, the IPCC’s “worst case scenario”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fliCxyAwBWU&t=719s

> People will do anything that does not change their lifestyle

Clearly you don’t have children if you think having a child doesn’t change your lifestyle.

> Also bringing a kid without their consent to this dying planet and then make them fix it…looks like a punishment by parents, pretty selfish

Here’s a tip, don’t use this line on a first date.

It's not about dating. It's truth that you didn't want to hear. Because accepting truth is difficult, so fight it, deny it instead.

Regarding lifestyle, I chose wrong word, not my first language. It's what and how you want your life that you don't want to compromise for climate crisis.

I don't think not having a kid is, itself, controversial. I think that telling others who want children not to have them is the controversial bit.

On the one hand, it is a very effective way to reduce your carbon footprint if you can do it. On the other hand, for many people it conflicts with one of the most basic human desires, which is life-defining for lots of the population.

As an analogy, if you asked people to be celibate you could guarantee that no new babies would come along even if birth-control-methods failed; a huge net positive! Despite that, sex is a basic human experience that many see as integral to their vision of a life, and it'd be controversial to seemingly impose that restriction on others.

tl;dr: no controversy in you doing you, sometimes controversy in you asking others to similarly do you

I did just c) - I'm joining https://normative.io as an engineer at the beginning of next year for this particular reason. The company helps other companies decrease carbon emissions by generating sustainability reports.

I'm _very_ excited to be a tiny part in helping humanity solve one of our biggest problems.

10 to 1 the person you will be helping will get you to develop software that tells everyone not to eat meat and not to have kids. There are very few serious people in climate science.
Getting people not to eat heavy-carbon-usage-meat at scale might be impactful... like found a lab meat company or something.

I just don't think being a vegetarian has impact... it's something you do to keep consistent with your worldview or morality, not to mitigate climate change.

How can a "no impact" activity like not eating meat scale to be impactful?

An individual's actions does have an impact, albeit a small one. It is measurable (CO2 savings from not eating that meat). Discouraging individuals from participating in individual efforts will prevent the group from achieving scale.

I'm not discouraging an individual from eating meat... I'm encouraging an individual to not buy into the idea that not eating meat will achieve their stated goal.
Isn't the stated goal to reduce their contribution to climate change through eliminating meat related CO2 emissions? Seems like it works.
Doesn’t sound measurable. The whole “don’t eat meat, save the environment” debate should be centred around corn fed beef to begin with
How is it not measurable?
"Ignore the crunchy comments saying don't eat meat, don't have kids, and don't drive. You have no impact as a consumer or influencer."

Yet each of these actions can be quantified in terms of CO2 no emitted or resources preserved. There is an impact, and that impact becomes apparent given sufficient scale and time.

One's choice not to have kids could very well provide exponential savings when compared to one's personal lifetime emissions/consumption when looking over generations.

I don't like this tactic. It might well be more effective, but it just doesn't seem right.

Al Gore has arguably done more than anyone else (at the upper levels) but his ownership of multiple houses (with heated pools) goes against the message he preached.

Bernie Sanders owns multiple houses, too.

John Kerry famously flies a private jet all over the place and parties on yachts (which he parks in places to minimize taxes).

I actually dislike people who don't take the personal action, yet work to make others sacrifice for the cause.

On the other hand, I have respect for people like Ralph Nader and Jimmy Carter, who actually lead humble lives and lead by example.

Activists are long on ideas but short on technical know-how. Someone like you, willing to volunteer your skills even part-time, would be a God send.

I would suggest focusing on work that motivates and scales, just as people do in the for-profit sector. Activism that puts political and economic pressure on the large corporations who are the worst polluters provide the biggest bang for the buck. As just one example, there is a movement to divest from fossil fuel companies. Better software might help activists reach more people and mobilize them to pressure the boards of the universities they work for, etc.

Another issue we currently have in the country is that corporate interests collect huge amounts of data to sway elections, while activists without those same deep pockets are outmatched and outgunned. So any software that helps support voter turnout, voter equity, etc., would also indirectly help address climate change and other injustices.

> Someone like you, willing to volunteer your skills even part-time, would be a God send.

Lots of people have this idea, including me in the past.

It doesn't work. Nonprofit professionals aren't stupid. They know volunteers disappear as soon as something else comes up (paid work, kids, just wanting to relax, etc.) Most of them won't waste their time with "skilled volunteers."

If you want to help a cause, you have to get into the mud. It needs to be your focus. These are complex problems with lots of stakeholders that are highly tuned to whether you actually give a shit or whether you're a tourist trying to make yourself feel better about working for a big corporation.

To those who suggest "don't have kids": if everyone who cares about saving the planet followed your advice, what would the voting population look like a couple decades from now? I say instead, have children and raise them to be the kind of ethical, courageous, well-educated leaders our future so desperately needs.
> To those who suggest "don't have kids"

I would also accept "pay people to not have kids", similar to how some countries pay people to have kids [1] [2] [3] [4]. Not having kids has value, and hence those who choose not to should be compensated appropriately.

EDIT: @EForEndeavour: People who have children receive tax credits and benefits simply for having them (US centric) and their future impacts are externalities.

[1] https://qz.com/200728/what-countries-around-the-world-give-t...

[2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carte_famille_nombreuse

[3] https://www.france24.com/en/20130611-why-french-women-make-m...

[4] https://www.vhemt.org/bbbounty.htm

In a way, people are already "paid" not to have kids, since kids consume enormous amounts of time and money.
what about heavily promoting contraception?
Just promote education and economic opportunity for women. They will consequently have less kids and later in life.
> what would the voting population look like

Less humans will surely make more effect than any of other things you do. You can just adopt instead and raise them.

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Tito can’t be on HN 24/7, I suppose.

Join Airminers! Carbon capture is really the only solution at this point. https://airminers.org/

Carbon capture is necessary, but it's orders of magnitude more expensive than just not releasing the carbon in the first place.

Preventing carbon release is a political problem, and OP could work to support pro-environment politicians.

Climate change can't be fought on a personal level. That's just propaganda to shift responsibility onto the individual consumer and there are plenty of bleeding hearts out there that eat it up and conjure up guilt for something out of their control on a macro level
Fine, but a cultural shift away from eating meat for 3 meals a day would have a big impact and how does that happen except at an individual level?
> how does that happen except at an individual level

I can see changing subsidies around to make meat more expensive as a matter of public policy being more effective at changing individual behavior than trying to convince them on moral grounds.

And I can see making meat a luxury item only attainable by the wealthy having... unintended consequences.
It's not like meat was always cheap, it probably does more harm than good from a public health standpoint. In countries without subsidized steak people just have a different diet, use the meat for flavor, not calories.
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This may be true when it comes to consumption, but we must definitely do something as individuals for anything to change systemwide. Participating in direct action for system change is still worth doing as an individual, where it's a contribution to a collective movement.

It won't happen by buying different stuff, but by spending our time working on projects with others that are not supporting the current system but are building a different one that is not as destructive for the climate.

>That's just propaganda to shift responsibility onto the individual consumer

But it's the individual consumer that's ultimately responsible for all of the emissions? Corporations aren't emitting carbon for their own enjoyment.

Individual consumers? I shouldn't think that's true

> Just 100 of all the hundreds of thousands of companies in the world have been responsible for 71% of the global GHG emissions that cause global warming since 1998, according to The Carbon Majors Database, a report recently published by the Carbon Disclosure Project (CDP)...

Working at Tesla, or another car company working on EVs, is one of the most direct ways to immediately have a big positive impact.

But working for "the next Tesla" would be the most potential positive impact, given that Tesla has already achieved its goal of forcing the car industry towards EVs.

You could make a list of the most harmful industries and work at a company trying to force them into change, like Tesla is doing with the auto industry.

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I don't think my skills are super applicable to working on climate change directly, so instead I work for big tech and donate to charities from this list. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/12/2/20976180/climat...

If you're not totally set on doing direct work for climate change, you could consider a similar strategy. In my case, I think it's probably more impactful than I could be if I tried to pivot into a climate-related career.

Rather than donating to charities (who are typically constrained to operating according to the rules that got us into this mess), I would suggest donating to groups like Extinction Rebellion, who try to put real political pressure on governments using civil disobedience tactics, in order to get policy changes made.

This, or starting/joining a worker's union that can similarly exert political power through the labor force. We need radical change right now and that will need radical tactics.

The comments here seem to think that children raised by what appears to be an intelligent, service-minded individual will not be a net asset in addressing the problems the future holds. I disagree.
The main issue now is how little time we have left. We're already past the tipping point, and there's about a 30-50 year horizon before it's too late to do anything at all.

This means that the following are going to take too long:

- "Doing your part", i.e. the regular "don't eat meat", "consume environmentally friendly things", and all those things that will only work over a horizon of 100+ years.

- Accumulating a ton of wealth and then using it to lobby. This would have worked 50 years ago but we need people to use this kind of big money NOW.

- Helping activists set up their websites and other tech things. We're past the point where activism alone will save us.

Our world has just started runaway heating, and Arctic methane is now being released, which is 100x worse than carbon. The ONLY thing that can save us at this point is a hail Mary shot of sequestration of greenhouse gases and at the same time, active cooling of the planet. Build this kind of tech, or join others building it. There are a few companies coming out that do this kind of thing. We need breathing room above all else, because even with tech 50 years is very little time.

Edit: Aaaand now the downvotes. I don't know why I even bother contributing here.

Maybe the "too late to do anything at all" line is setting people off? I don't think it's hyperbolic in the least. There's a very non-trivial chance that some hammer falls in some way that too much damage is done too fast to prevent a snowball effect of war/famine/disease before we manage some big tech geo-engineering solution.

We are very reliant on industry/automation as an efficiency multiplier for sustinance. Really, anything that disrupts our ability to automate in the long term (power/water/comms/logistics/chip fab), disrupts our ability to farm industrially, which lowers Earth's carrying capacity. Which risks a large die-off, which risks more of the above.

Humans are really bad at anticipating cascade failures.

I don’t think you deserve downvotes, but you’re giving the human ingenuity and technology gains too little credit to fix this in the future with your “it’s too late” apocalyptic prophecy.
I enjoyed this episode of "Ologies" talking to an artist, Andy Hall [0] working on what he calls the "The Drawdown Design Project" - creating inspirational posters and raising money to go towards the rainforest coalition.

Basically he had the same question, talks about the themes in the posters, empower - engage - cultivate - electrify. When asked what the average person can do, his answer was basically 'donate money to elect democrats' and honestly I agree. You can spend thousands of dollars or thousands of hours of volunteering, but its the politicians that are deciding how to spend trillions. Outside of that, I can recommend the book "Climate - a new story" by Charles Eisenstein, it argues against focusing on a single metric of CO2 ppm (and includes an aside on the war-analogy we default to when we decide to fight something ;). Basically it suggests we focus more on creating a healthy biosphere, explains the connections between weather, chemistry, and life. It's got me convinced that planting trees is the right approach, but not just to sequester carbon, but to increase the amount and variety of life on earth.

[0] https://www.alieward.com/ologies/drawdowndesignproject

Biggest problem about climate change is political correctness. We're too afraid to talk about the real problems and solutions because of "votes". Instead, we focus on small wins without any real impacts because it's "safe" and make people happy, like recycling.

Real problem and solutions:

  - energy -> Need hydro or nuclear. Everything else is just marketing bullshit. Windmills aren't reliable, you still need a way to store the energy and have a backup. If you factor in the cost of that backup and other solutions, you soon realize that hydro (or nuclear if hydro isn't possible) is way more cost efficient.

  - transportation -> Living in a suburb should have a penalty cost. Just compare the environmental impact between an apartment in a city and a mansion in a suburb with 5 cars. One is killing the planet much faster, there should be a penalty for it. I'm not saying forbid living in a suburb, I'm saying there should be an additional cost to living in a suburb because of the environmental impact.

  - greenhouse gases -> penalty cost in proportion to the damage caused (for instance, buying meat from livestock should be WAY more expensive.)
I'm not a climate change expert, but I do know that people react to incentive. And right now, there's no penalty to killing the planet so we can't blame people for making the decisions they're making. And policy makers can't set real policies because of fear (rightfully so) of not being elected.

It seems like we'll need to wait until the Earth is almost doomed before implementing these policies, but then it might be too late. Maybe another way is to have a "bad guy climate change" that all political party would need to take into account as part of their mandate, so the votes would be about who can best solve these issues rather than whether they should be tackled.

> Real problem and solutions: - energy -> Need hydro or nuclear. Everything else is just marketing bullshit.

Agree in general, yet from what i've read most of the worlds hydro (read: river) resources are already being tapped extensively. Although hydro makes up a healthy chunk today, can it expand and grow along with our increasing energy demands when we've already tapped the largest rivers? I am curious if you have sources that show hydro can grow.

I recall reading this counter to hydro in a Smil book (Growth I believe) although I will have to double check which one.

This isn't accurate. Wind is very consistent in deeper seas and high altitude. It's also consistent when it's spread out. This means smart large scale grids can deliver a lot of electricity and ideally sell surplus to neighboring states/countries (another important option). There are plenty of storage options, batteries are some of them but moving water around is another important storage option which helps later on for generating with hydro.

Furthermore, mixing solar, wind, hydro, geo thermal etc provides an additional level of reliability and scale. These are all very reliable when combined together and need fewer storage options.

And yes, some storage makes sense. Not a lot, but the value here is the fast response time for peaks/lows in consumption.

Notice I'm not against nuclear which is a valid option. But right now the financials don't back nuclear as much as it did 5 years ago. Building a nuclear plant is expensive and slow. The costs didn't drop since you need a completely different level of security/reliability. The cost of renewables dropped like a stone. You can build them almost instantly since objections are low by comparison. So you'd end up solving things much faster with renewables than you would with nuclear, no PC involved.

As long as you need a market-rate salary, go work for a company that is carbon-negative if you can (e.g. carbon capture or clean energy). One that is vocally pro-enviroment and carbon-neutral would also be an accomplishment.

If you need less money, work for a nonprofit focused on environmental issues or research. Working for a politician's campaign might be a good way to apply tech, marketing, or management skills.

Don't volunteer. The vast majority of the value is for the volunteer, not for the nonprofit.

When you're a (very) part-time volunteer, you'll never get deep enough into their problems that your contributions will outweigh the cost to manage/train you.

It's better to advance your own career and donate money to full-time people who are able to devote all of their work time to the issue.

(Source: ran a nonprofit for a few years that sourced skilled volunteers for other orgs)