I wonder how the authoritarians in western countries will explain this.
Will people be pearl clutching and tweeting "People will die!" and calling people in nordic countries alt-right anti-vaxxers because they've moved on with life?
I wonder if politicians in western countries will be willing to give up the power that covid gives them and let people get back to normal.
Probably when their economies are in ruin and people will hit the streets demanding their resignation. It already happens. Too bad they're led by anti vaxxers and right wing groups and are dismissed as such by news outlets. Lockdown measures in most democratic countries are anti constitutional anyway, not to mention anti democratic.
Because they get dismissed as nazis and anti vaxxers protesting against corona, move on, when in fact these people are exercising their rights of association and freedom of expression. If you have a bunch of crazies in a group, it gets labelled as the crazy group.
Yes, but my guess is the irrational crazies are also the ones who have the passion and balls to lead in potentially violent confrontations. Moderately dissatisfied people probably look at the work and risk associated with organizing and participating in protests and think nah.
Yes, unfortunately that's the risk of protests, getting monopolized by crazies, or infiltrated by the political establishment with violent thugs and delegitimized. Moderately dissatisfied people with probably vote with right wing crazies, like it happened in Germany in 1929, ultimately leading to WW2 and the hollocaust.
I've never been to Norway, but looking at the stats [1], isn't it a little too soon?
Also, from what I understand, in Nordic countries people tend to stay alone. If this is true, is there a lower spread of covid-19 in such countries compared to more extroverted countries?
We are waiting for a new variant of covid to be produced, so more booster shots are needed, so the pharmaceutical companies can continue to push for health passes into citizen passes with citizen security scores etc.
I think they are past their Delta variant wave, and so it actually seems rational at this point as the other variants don't seem to be as virulent - at least not yet.
The US currently has a COVID death / capita rate that is 40x worse than Norway so there will be some debate stateside yet.
Let's all pray that it doesn't come back in force this winter under a new name.
I feel like you are not following the plot. The entire idea now is for covid to come back. Otherwise covid is over and we don't need health passes and subscription vaccinations.
NO and DK locked down harder, had more smart restrictions for longer and tested more than any other country in the world AFAIK. So it is better controlled now and border control is what matters most now.
We don't stay alone "enough" more than other countries for that to matter. The restrictions were just respected better, so they have been way more effective.
I've been told from friends in the UK and Spain, that the restriction were flaunted much more by people than we did and vaccine scepticism has been significantly bigger.
"think freely" has become nothing but an empty vessel for whatever stupid point you someone wants to make. I'd love to know how many of these people have "Sapere Aude!!" in their social media bio.
Almost all western countries didn't do enough to fight Covid and most of them didn't do a good of experimenting with the best approaches to limit its spread and their communication was often chaotic and incomplete, leading to even deeper mistrust in the institutions. If Norway wouldn't have had a vaccination strategy and they'd be lifting all restrictions I could see your point, but >65% of the population being vaccinated hardly calls for a comparison of an entire nation state with a loud minority that's questioning all science for the opportunity to get to LARP a rebellion against a state that won't kill or torture them. Applause.
>LARP a rebellion against a state that won't kill or torture them
Heh, but does imprison "insurrectionists" without a fair trial who happened to take part in getting a free tour of the Capitol, hosted by none other than the police themselves! "Come right in!", they said.
All the while, the same event leading to the death of an unarmed, non-violent protestor, said to be "far worse than the 9/11 attacks" according to the grand media spin -- the same corporate news networks who praised the 2020 summer of fires, mass theft, and the closure of local small businesses as a result of aimless civil disobedience at the expense of anyone who dare step in their way.
I can keep vending irrefutable facts, but past this point, research on the behalf of a stranger unwilling may cost a little.
It's simple: the more powerful central bank, the longer lasting Covid-19 restrictions.
For the most part American and European socialists intend to cling onto restrictions as long as they can - as long as that's in place there's no limit to spending and control.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 66.7 ms ] threadWill people be pearl clutching and tweeting "People will die!" and calling people in nordic countries alt-right anti-vaxxers because they've moved on with life?
I wonder if politicians in western countries will be willing to give up the power that covid gives them and let people get back to normal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_over_responses_to_t...
They're at 90.2% of adults having first shot and 80% have had both.
You can't claim the non fascists are pearl clutching while you're clutching at straws.
Also, from what I understand, in Nordic countries people tend to stay alone. If this is true, is there a lower spread of covid-19 in such countries compared to more extroverted countries?
[1] https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/no
What exactly are we waiting for?
It's all going along nicely.
The US currently has a COVID death / capita rate that is 40x worse than Norway so there will be some debate stateside yet.
Let's all pray that it doesn't come back in force this winter under a new name.
Your comments are irrational, cynical and conspiratorial and have no place here.
We don't stay alone "enough" more than other countries for that to matter. The restrictions were just respected better, so they have been way more effective.
I've been told from friends in the UK and Spain, that the restriction were flaunted much more by people than we did and vaccine scepticism has been significantly bigger.
[1] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28658113
Almost all western countries didn't do enough to fight Covid and most of them didn't do a good of experimenting with the best approaches to limit its spread and their communication was often chaotic and incomplete, leading to even deeper mistrust in the institutions. If Norway wouldn't have had a vaccination strategy and they'd be lifting all restrictions I could see your point, but >65% of the population being vaccinated hardly calls for a comparison of an entire nation state with a loud minority that's questioning all science for the opportunity to get to LARP a rebellion against a state that won't kill or torture them. Applause.
Heh, but does imprison "insurrectionists" without a fair trial who happened to take part in getting a free tour of the Capitol, hosted by none other than the police themselves! "Come right in!", they said.
All the while, the same event leading to the death of an unarmed, non-violent protestor, said to be "far worse than the 9/11 attacks" according to the grand media spin -- the same corporate news networks who praised the 2020 summer of fires, mass theft, and the closure of local small businesses as a result of aimless civil disobedience at the expense of anyone who dare step in their way.
I can keep vending irrefutable facts, but past this point, research on the behalf of a stranger unwilling may cost a little.
For the most part American and European socialists intend to cling onto restrictions as long as they can - as long as that's in place there's no limit to spending and control.