Looking at the graph in the Bloomberg article, the PCR spending increases began years ago, so the evidence for the conclusion isn't overwhelmingly compelling.
I'm not sure if this discovery will ever amount to a "beyond reasonable doubt" standard of proof of a cover-up, especially in an internationally accepted judicial setting, but I do wonder if, in general, there needs to be a legal principle that hiding evidence of something has to be punished as harshly as the worst plausible crime that the evidence could be hiding.
Such a principle would, admittedly, lead to many defendants being punished for crimes they didn't actually commit (i.e. they were only covering up lesser crimes), but without such a principle, a guilty person will always face a rational choice of covering up their crime and risking only an additional "destruction of evidence" charge (for example), as opposed to being caught for the actual crime and incurring the (presumably harsher) punishment for that.
For such a principle to pass the smell test, though, it should first and foremost apply to government record laws, covering everything from politician's official emails to police body-cam footage. A society which elects politicians willing to be held to that standard can be assumed to be mature enough to have this principle applied to other criminals.
It's already far, far beyond a reasonable doubt in any US court that one of the Wuhan labs was the source of corona, and that the CCP covered it up at every step.
What's ugly is that Fauci funded it to a significant extent and has been allowed to cover it up by two administrations.
(For those who don't know, Fauci gave 65 grants to WIV, including GoF research, plus grants to 26 other labs in China. Yet he lied to Congress multiple times about GoF, and never mentioned 90+ grants. In addition, WIV asked for a grant to release corona into a bat population. The grant was denied, but we don't know if the project stopped.)
One of the weirdest things is that NIH has PR staff, yet Fauci is on TV daily. Just like a crooked accountant who never goes on vacation so he can keep juggling the balls in the air.
If you recall, the CCP said, "It came from the US." I think they meant Fauci asked them to do GoF research and funded it. CCP statements fall into 2 groups: fairly factual, and hyperbole. It's fairly easy to separate the two, and I think in this case it was a fairly factual statement. The reason it was not more detailed is because their main audience is internal, and they did not want to share blame for the corona release.
That's exactly the thing - individually there's deniability. But taken in toto, the circumstantial evidence of lab leak is stunning and obvious. It's even quickly entering "it was designed as a bioweapon but 'probably' leaked by accident but maybe not" territory. This news, for example, raises that question strongly.
It can be used as a weapon when you have a culture of conformity, a stockpile of masks, a huge manufacturing and scientific base, and zero tolerance for conspiracy theories. Combine COVID with a disinformation campaign and use democracy's messy freedom against it.
Then encrypting your hard drive could hide your planned murder plot. Secret communications on encrypted messengers hides your instructions to friends to blow up parliament at dawn. Using the dark web means you are covering your tracks for the kiddie porn you sold.
This seems like the worst idea with the best sales pitch that I've heard in 2021 so far.
I haven't thought out the lesser scenario where hiding evidence is illegal (something something working on your own conviction), but at least this "gets you convicted for the worst possible crime" seems like a terrible, terrible idea if you don't want to live in a place worse than North Korea.
> This seems like the worst idea with the best sales pitch that I've heard in 2021 so far.
I guess I'll take that as a compliment, thank you.
You're right to point out the unintended consequences of my idea, though, and I see now that it would need significant changes to be workable. Firstly, I don't think that encryption should count as a cover-up in any circumstance, just as the undisclosed contents of your own brain aren't covered up in any way that's punishable by the law.
In general, I think that a cover-up means irretrievably destroying evidence that would naturally exist (like an item of clothing, or a book of accounts) or that you had a statutory duty to create and preserve in the first place (like body-cam footage or internal government communications). Defining what "naturally" means when applied to something like a "no logs VPN" might be tricky, but I think a reasonable line could be drawn.
> I do wonder if, in general, there needs to be a legal principle that hiding evidence of something has to be punished as harshly as the worst plausible crime that the evidence could be hiding
There are various formulations of the adverse inference rule, but worse still is the false-exculpatory-statement / consciousness-of-guilt jury instruction. As a defense attorney, I have pled serious cases out based on a fear of that instruction.
> International "law" is essentially "might makes right", nothing else.
All law is "might makes right" if you want to be completely reductionist about it.
A more nuanced take is that, just as civilised people choose to submit to a system of laws which punish those who break the social contract between people, so civilised nations choose to submit to a system of international law which can pass rulings against (and occasionally punish) nations that fail to respect the accepted boundaries that apply to the actions of nations.
What we see in practice is that, of course, nations don't like being particularly limited in what they can do, so international law only tends to cover things that almost every nation almost never wants to do (like commit genocide or bomb foreign hospitals). In the rare cases that a pariah nation does transgress one of the few constraints on it, though, the international community has various means to bring the nation back into compliance, such as economic sanctions.
The fact that America wasn't convicted in an international court for the Crime of Aggression when it invaded Iraq, for example, isn't so much a failure of international law as it is a reflection of the support the US received from countries who would in some sense constitute the jury of its peers (even though that's not exactly how international law is intended to function).
Well. It leaked, they kept quiet as they always do. We will keep finding the smoking gun forever and they will never admit it.
It was an accident though. Let’s hope they learned their lesson.
To me, I find that China stopping internal travel while allowing International flights to continue to be more damming than whether or not the source was a lab.
Wuhan's international airport was completely shut down. The only flights allowed out were specially chartered evacuation flights, organized by foreign governments.
This is about as reliable as the reports claiming that 20 million Chinese people had died because of a dip in the number of cell phone contracts early on in the pandemic.
The idea that the virus was spreading to any significant extent in Wuhan in May 2019 is absurd. The outbreak only reached sufficient proportion to be noticed in late December 2019, when hospitals first started noticing clusters of pneumonia patients. And by all appearances, the Chinese government was completely unprepared for the outbreak - the response in late December 2019 through mid-January 2020 was chaotic and ineffective. The idea that the government had been secretly preparing for more than half a year in advance of the first known outbreak in Wuhan just doesn't make any sense at all.
It's a sad statement on the state of journalism that this sort of nonsense gets any traction in mainstream media, and it's an even sadder statement on the level of anti-Chinese paranoia that people buy it.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 58.1 ms ] threadBloomberg article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-04/china-pcr...
Looking at the graph in the Bloomberg article, the PCR spending increases began years ago, so the evidence for the conclusion isn't overwhelmingly compelling.
Such a principle would, admittedly, lead to many defendants being punished for crimes they didn't actually commit (i.e. they were only covering up lesser crimes), but without such a principle, a guilty person will always face a rational choice of covering up their crime and risking only an additional "destruction of evidence" charge (for example), as opposed to being caught for the actual crime and incurring the (presumably harsher) punishment for that.
For such a principle to pass the smell test, though, it should first and foremost apply to government record laws, covering everything from politician's official emails to police body-cam footage. A society which elects politicians willing to be held to that standard can be assumed to be mature enough to have this principle applied to other criminals.
It's already far, far beyond a reasonable doubt in any US court that one of the Wuhan labs was the source of corona, and that the CCP covered it up at every step.
What's ugly is that Fauci funded it to a significant extent and has been allowed to cover it up by two administrations.
(For those who don't know, Fauci gave 65 grants to WIV, including GoF research, plus grants to 26 other labs in China. Yet he lied to Congress multiple times about GoF, and never mentioned 90+ grants. In addition, WIV asked for a grant to release corona into a bat population. The grant was denied, but we don't know if the project stopped.)
One of the weirdest things is that NIH has PR staff, yet Fauci is on TV daily. Just like a crooked accountant who never goes on vacation so he can keep juggling the balls in the air.
If you recall, the CCP said, "It came from the US." I think they meant Fauci asked them to do GoF research and funded it. CCP statements fall into 2 groups: fairly factual, and hyperbole. It's fairly easy to separate the two, and I think in this case it was a fairly factual statement. The reason it was not more detailed is because their main audience is internal, and they did not want to share blame for the corona release.
It's far too unpredictable as a weapon, bordering on insanity. How could it ever be used as a weapon?
At least anthrax spores settle down and can be decominated. no such option with coronaviruses.
Not much different from launching a full out nuclear war, hoping that your defences will sustain the counterattack.
Absolutely nuts.
This seems like the worst idea with the best sales pitch that I've heard in 2021 so far.
I haven't thought out the lesser scenario where hiding evidence is illegal (something something working on your own conviction), but at least this "gets you convicted for the worst possible crime" seems like a terrible, terrible idea if you don't want to live in a place worse than North Korea.
I guess I'll take that as a compliment, thank you.
You're right to point out the unintended consequences of my idea, though, and I see now that it would need significant changes to be workable. Firstly, I don't think that encryption should count as a cover-up in any circumstance, just as the undisclosed contents of your own brain aren't covered up in any way that's punishable by the law.
In general, I think that a cover-up means irretrievably destroying evidence that would naturally exist (like an item of clothing, or a book of accounts) or that you had a statutory duty to create and preserve in the first place (like body-cam footage or internal government communications). Defining what "naturally" means when applied to something like a "no logs VPN" might be tricky, but I think a reasonable line could be drawn.
There are various formulations of the adverse inference rule, but worse still is the false-exculpatory-statement / consciousness-of-guilt jury instruction. As a defense attorney, I have pled serious cases out based on a fear of that instruction.
Any laws or contracts only have meaning if backed by some remedy and enforcement.
International "law" is essentially "might makes right", nothing else.
All law is "might makes right" if you want to be completely reductionist about it.
A more nuanced take is that, just as civilised people choose to submit to a system of laws which punish those who break the social contract between people, so civilised nations choose to submit to a system of international law which can pass rulings against (and occasionally punish) nations that fail to respect the accepted boundaries that apply to the actions of nations.
What we see in practice is that, of course, nations don't like being particularly limited in what they can do, so international law only tends to cover things that almost every nation almost never wants to do (like commit genocide or bomb foreign hospitals). In the rare cases that a pariah nation does transgress one of the few constraints on it, though, the international community has various means to bring the nation back into compliance, such as economic sanctions.
The fact that America wasn't convicted in an international court for the Crime of Aggression when it invaded Iraq, for example, isn't so much a failure of international law as it is a reflection of the support the US received from countries who would in some sense constitute the jury of its peers (even though that's not exactly how international law is intended to function).
a state wide coverup a potential global health issue, sure.
Wuhan's international airport was completely shut down. The only flights allowed out were specially chartered evacuation flights, organized by foreign governments.
The idea that the virus was spreading to any significant extent in Wuhan in May 2019 is absurd. The outbreak only reached sufficient proportion to be noticed in late December 2019, when hospitals first started noticing clusters of pneumonia patients. And by all appearances, the Chinese government was completely unprepared for the outbreak - the response in late December 2019 through mid-January 2020 was chaotic and ineffective. The idea that the government had been secretly preparing for more than half a year in advance of the first known outbreak in Wuhan just doesn't make any sense at all.
It's a sad statement on the state of journalism that this sort of nonsense gets any traction in mainstream media, and it's an even sadder statement on the level of anti-Chinese paranoia that people buy it.