I think the OP forgets that every of your rights is another persons obligation.
So your right to be idiot (IMHO) and not getting vaccinated is everybody else obligation to take a extra tiny mortal risk interacting with you...
It is basically the American gun-debate on personal-freedom vs societal-benefit in a new setting...
I for one am glad to live in a well-vaccinated country (Denmark), where it seems like the worst is over (fingers and toes crossed) and all covid-restrictions inland have been lifted...
Current Covid vaccines are non-sterilizing, i.e they do not prevent infection or transmission. This is documented on the US CDC site: vaccines reduce the risk of serious illness or death, they do not provide immunity. If the goal of Covid passes is to stop transmission, then everyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated, should have to provide either proof of immunity from prior Covid infection, or a recent negative test. Anything else is theater that is misleading and actively harmful to civilian populations.
In a recent U.S. study of 5 million vaccinated 65+ people: 160,000 contracted Covid and 30,000 were admitted to hospital. The study estimated VE (Vaccine Effectiveness) against Delta Covid-19 infection to be 40%. This value is lower than studies with smaller population samples, and far below the claims of vaccine manufacturers, https://humetrix.com/powerpoint-vaccine.html.
> Project Salus — named for the Roman goddess of safety and well-being — fills that role. "We [now have] roughly about 40 to 50 different data streams coming into project Salus at the data platform layer," he said. "We have another 40 to 45 different AI models that are all running on top of the platform .."
Well in Denmark with a high vaccine rate we have had ALL restriction lifted on sep 10.
I for one is almost daily in mass commute packed like 2019, and for a month, somehow the infection rate is basically flat, the hospitalizations is flat and the death toll is flat.
The danes enjoy our vaccinated "daily freedom" instead of arguing about (likely factful) technicalities about what exactly the vaccines do and does not protect against... As a citizen daily autonomy matters more to me than the mechanisms
EDIT: the infection rate might be underrepresented as we test vastly fewer now then in the summer, as the danish gov does not care as much about infection as bad outcomes (as we cannot eradicate the virus anyways)
Denmark: ~80% adult vax rate, 6M population
NYC: ~80% adult vax rate, 9M population
Flat metrics for both
NYC is firing nurses and teachers who have immunity, while retaining vaccinated nurses and teachers who can be infected and transmit. Vax passes causing 40% revenue reduction for some restaurants - and that's before winter closes outdoor seating. No option to prove immunity or negative test.
We Danes do pride ourselves of "samfundssind" (community sense) and pragmatic solutions (also in politics). We are obviously not a dream society but in the grand scale of things our nation putters along just fine and most people are happy about most of our society (including the politicians which regularly does "over the middle" deals with not much drama)..
We do have the covid-app too, but it is currently totally unused (I believe)
The app gave you a "pass" based on one of four criterias:
- some days until some months (still being determined) after positive PCR test (i.e. sick and recovered)
- some days after first vaccination until some month (TBD) after last vaccination (i.e. vaxxed)
- short time (2 or 3 days, as I remember) after a negative PCR test
- even shorter (1 or 2 days, I think) after negative quick test
But as said, I cannot think of anywhere, where I would need to prove it anymore anyways (I am fully vaxxed btw).
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It is basically the American gun-debate on personal-freedom vs societal-benefit in a new setting...
I for one am glad to live in a well-vaccinated country (Denmark), where it seems like the worst is over (fingers and toes crossed) and all covid-restrictions inland have been lifted...
edit: typo
In a recent U.S. study of 5 million vaccinated 65+ people: 160,000 contracted Covid and 30,000 were admitted to hospital. The study estimated VE (Vaccine Effectiveness) against Delta Covid-19 infection to be 40%. This value is lower than studies with smaller population samples, and far below the claims of vaccine manufacturers, https://humetrix.com/powerpoint-vaccine.html.
The large dataset was made possible by Project Salus, https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/22...
> Project Salus — named for the Roman goddess of safety and well-being — fills that role. "We [now have] roughly about 40 to 50 different data streams coming into project Salus at the data platform layer," he said. "We have another 40 to 45 different AI models that are all running on top of the platform .."
I for one is almost daily in mass commute packed like 2019, and for a month, somehow the infection rate is basically flat, the hospitalizations is flat and the death toll is flat.
The danes enjoy our vaccinated "daily freedom" instead of arguing about (likely factful) technicalities about what exactly the vaccines do and does not protect against... As a citizen daily autonomy matters more to me than the mechanisms
EDIT: the infection rate might be underrepresented as we test vastly fewer now then in the summer, as the danish gov does not care as much about infection as bad outcomes (as we cannot eradicate the virus anyways)
Thanks to to Denmark for their sane example.
We do have the covid-app too, but it is currently totally unused (I believe)
The app gave you a "pass" based on one of four criterias:
- some days until some months (still being determined) after positive PCR test (i.e. sick and recovered)
- some days after first vaccination until some month (TBD) after last vaccination (i.e. vaxxed)
- short time (2 or 3 days, as I remember) after a negative PCR test
- even shorter (1 or 2 days, I think) after negative quick test
But as said, I cannot think of anywhere, where I would need to prove it anymore anyways (I am fully vaxxed btw).