Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN?

215 points by marai2 ↗ HN
If you look at the front page of HN on any given day you'll see 90% of the news leans heavily towards the tech industry. But you'll often see great comments from people whose profession isn't directly tech. I've seen historians, doctors, lawyers, folks in construction, agriculture, the armed forces, etc, show up here.

So the question is, what non-traditionally tech professions are represented here on HN and how did you get hooked to Hacker News?

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Everything is tech. And tech is nothing. For instance Google is an ad business. The web, aside from ads, is publishing. I propose we drop the construct altogether. It had its place back when personal computers were novel, but the contemporary historian writes code. Unless you mean software engineering, but much of that is now plumbing and project management.
> but the contemporary historian writes code.

What?

I had to help a friend, who's doing their history PhD, design a database for their research. I don't quite know what for. I also directed him to some online SQL courses.

There's also this website https://programminghistorian.org/

I see what you are saying, but I think that there's a contradiction in your argument. The fact that /much of/ (i.e. not all) software engineering is plumbing and project management implies that there's still a nucleus which is proper tech. Someone has to write the frameworks, configure the servers, do the devops etc. even if it is being further and further abstracted away from the 'typical' user.
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Currently unemployed. I was studying python which somehow lead me to here. Normally I surf Reddit but I find hacker news to be less toxic in the comments.
I'm in the same boat.

I found Reddit to be one of the most hateful communities online. Checkout the Herman Cain award sub if you want proof.

In my 20s I wasted a ton of time arguing about politics and even my own life on that site. While 9/10 times I'd find someone fun, the 1/10 was spent absorbing pure vitriol.

Ultimately no one cares about what I think or how I choose to live my life. No normal person will spend all day trying to degrade others or celebrating another's death. But that's like half of Reddit.

Occasionally I'll still find something useful, usually related to programming. But I simply don't venture into anything else.

def have to agree on this one, reddit is selective about what toxicity they allow and which ones they do not. it’s become the platform of hypocrisy. way too toxic than what it use to be, aaron swartz (co-founder of reddit who died in a us federal prison) would be crying in his grave
Aaron Swartz did not die in prison. He committed suicide. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
If he didn't die, are you saying he's still alive?
He died in his apartment.
Thank you for clarifying this. I remember it like it was yesterday. Big tragedy. People forget and move on, sadly. A lot of people were upset though and still are. This has to be something to "never forget". It has to.
Mainstream Reddit, sure. However, the more esoteric your topic, the better Reddit gets.

For example, most of the specific game subs are hyper-focused on their topic with paper who genuinely want to know and talk about the scene.

Yes. It all depends which subs we join. My reddit feed is full of useful information and helpful people ('s posts). Though r/popular is garbage, if we join certain niche communities, it is fun and useful.
I'd agree with the general statement but some game subs are the _most_ toxic (I'm looking at you, /r/TheLastOfUs2).
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A sub that makes fun of people for vehemently denying a disease exists and then die from it? I can’t think of something as well deserved.

Now real examples would be subs like the old thedonald, and the myriad of extremely racist subreddits that are allowed to exist unchecked.

"Stay for the empathy" which really is "how does that make you feel" versus "intellectual curiosity". Little surprise.
I post a lot on the /r/learnpython sub (different username) and while it does have its moments the community there is 90% positive supportive etc. I would not say the same for the site as a whole though.
Philosophy and theology student here, former military. I have a passion for history and dabble in Latin.

I'm here because I pay for my masters and academic hobbies in other fields with my tech day job.

I believe in the Renaissance model of trying to understand and succeed in many fields.

How do you pay for school, I’m interested in more classical majors as well but schooling is expensive.
>... I pay for my masters and academic hobbies in other fields with my tech day job.
Off topic, but is there meaning behind your name or is it just two things you like? (Yes I know who/what Godel and Unicode are)
I don't remember the whole story, but the original username I was going to use was going to be gödel and then something about incompleteness. Since Unicode isn't allowed for usernames here, I changed it to this.
Ahhh, I see. Good joke, you have my upvote. :)
This is interesting! How many hours a day do you spend at work? In what position? I think it's a very good opportunity for smart, tech-savvy people to realize their dreams. It's hard for me to do it myself, my day job completely exhausts me, usually by the end of the day I have no interest in doing anything else. That's why I've always admired people who can combine work and hobbies and be successful at them.
Not OP but philosophy student as well, paying my bills with programming. I spend 20 hours a week in a junior position, having four to five days a week for everything else that interests me. I am not particularly keen on having a „career“ in the classical sense. I don’t want a family with kids, don’t travel and have below average material needs.

There is truth in the saying that making your hobby a profession will suck the joy out of it. I think I would go crazy with doing either philosophy or programming full time. Splitting it 50/50 regularly gives me time off of both which is great for creativity and motivation, especially if things are not going so well with one of the two. On the downside I will probably never excel at either.

I'm slowly, after a few "painful" experiences on either end of the pendulum, coming to see the wisdom in that position.

Would you mind sharing how you, currently, find programming work at around 20hrs/wk?

I didn't have to actively find such an opportunity yet so I can’t tell you. In my case, I was unhappy at my first employer while I was still studying CS when my friend’s employer urgently searched for programmers. So I went there and told them that I am interested in a position in which I could work part-time even after graduation. I still work there. It was a combination of luck and connections.
There are a few experimental physicists on here. I work for Microsoft now, but I found out about HN from a grad school officemate, who found out about it from a YC grad who did a postdoc in our research facility. I credit HN with helping me have enough understanding of the tech industry to land a job as a data scientist at Microsoft, which set me up for joining the quantum computing team a few years later.
Hey! There are some theoreticians like me lurking around as well!
I am a physician turned drug developer and work in biotech now. I have also dabbled a bit in IT though and got hooked on HN many years ago. I keep coming back to HN for the thoughtful comments and nearly complete absence of malignant ones.
I'd argue that quality of discussion has gone down. It has become a lot more emotional, less forgiving and less politically diverse. But, I tend to criticize more things than I praise.
I work in IT but I love biotech. It was (still is) my dream. Got into IT due to circumstances. Some day I am gonna FIRE and invent cool weird plants.
Scientist in materials & chemistry. HN offers a diversity of fascinating topics without much fluff. Sure, it's heavily focused on the tech industry and professionals, but there are always a handful of other topics that are really worth reading. Plus I occasionally enjoy peeking over the fence to see what's happening in the tech industry.
Just started college, no work experience. I've been looking for blogs to read when a friend (in the tech field) recommended HN.

Tech industry articles still tend to provide insights, though I have no use from posts exclusively on programming. Both tech and non-tech posts/comments are quality - kinda obvious, but this is HN's killer feature.

I do inventory and paperwork at a large recreational marijuana grow site. I work with python as an amateur and found this place through python interests somehow.
Hey there, I've been working on something similar except with gourmet mushrooms. Curious if I could ask some questions about your process sometime?
Sure no problem!
Where could I email you? Doesn't look like there's contact info in your bio :(
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I'm a video editor and artist interested in information and consciousness. I think editors and programmers actually have a lot in common in terms of what they do (dicing and combining data in creative ways), although the editors I know definitely don't see themselves that way.
Real Estate Developer. Software should eat my industry. I find a bit of what I read here to be quite interesting.
Eh, as a dev with family in real estate development, I can see why it hasn't. Zoning and building codes alone seem like an enormous impediment to scaling anything there.
I am in real estate development. I would be surprised to find out how software could help with the political aspect, which in my opinion l, is the most volatile and difficult part.
The politics can't really be addressed by software, true. However, much of development is actually process and project management with complicated non-intuitive workflows. I think there's potential for software to help. do something like - for a given municipality, what size building can I build under a specific set of planning assumptions, and what is the process for obtaining the necessary permits and approvals to build that building?
Somehow there's a decent amount of tech in the healthcare space, which has a lot of codes and regulations as well.

Which I also don't understand as it seems like more trouble than it's worth sometimes (I worked for a corporation that was in that field at one point, we were expected to make big changes almost every year when new laws got passed).

In healthcare I imagine that they are at least somewhat universal across an industry or sub field or country. At the very least insurance forces some standardization.

A town of 10K might have a completely separate building code and zoning categories.

What pain points do you see that can be helped by software? : )
See my response to lots of pulp above. Would be happy to chat about this further, if you are interested in doing a user needs interview.
I work predominantly in Event Production - I love to read anything tech related and occasionally some of the links posted here contribute to more creative solutions in my day job.
Has business picked back up now post shutdowns? Just dine my first major event in the U.K. for two years, the riggers seem happy enough that jobs are starting again.
Busier than ever to be honest with you - with the added difficultly that a lot of our regular freelancers have either left the industry or are being snapped up quicker than we can book people.

I guess it will no doubt be chaos for another few months as the industry gets back to it's feet.

California farmer, mostly pistachio and almonds. The farm has been in the family for four generations now and we hope to continue that.

I found HN while I worked at Google on self-driving cars from 2014-2018. At least two postings on HN have been direct material impact to me: the first about an autonomous tractor we might be experimenting with soon, and the second about water restrictions in CA that fortunately did not end up impacting us, but caused us to come up with some interesting water contingencies.

I've just watched season 3 of the legal drama 'Goliath' starring Billy Bob Thornton, which was ALL about almond farmers in California trying to get water. Really good show, totally recommend it.
I have not heard about that, I’ll check it out. The water situation is not good for a lot of farmers, but we are fortunate with where our aquifer-drawing land is located and that most of our acres don’t draw from the aquifer at all.
I second this recommendation. I actually liked all 4 seasons of the show. The games that lawyers play … sigh
I really wanted to hate this series, but it's well written, and Billy Bob is a good actor. I thought he would phone it in being a series, but he's on point.
Conversation I was having with my dad (a dairy and grain farmer in the midwest) earlier this week ‘I wonder what the market for an open source tractor is?’

Not sure about autonomous, but just something you own, that you have full schematics and design specs for, and can repair yourself — seems like a huge market given the state of things right now.

The biggest problem with product development for agriculture use cases is that the conditions are extreme, every situation is unique, and the customers don’t really want what you are selling. It adds up to a lot of failed companies with good ideas that just couldn’t crack the distribution layer.

There is definitely demand for tractors from new producers. The inability to repair a tractor during harvest is simply unacceptable. Their technicians can take weeks to get around to you, especially if you are a small shop.

What kinds of repair needs do you usually run into that require vendor's technicians? Is it e.g. electrical, or are they the stereotypical "everything is a computer" type of problems that everybody complains about in cars? Can you try to fix even mechanical problems yourself, or are those typically not the issue?

Asking out of plain curiosity.

It depends on the OEM, but in the worst cases it’s essentially anything. You can’t even change your own oil.
> seems like a huge market given the state of things right now.

It's true that parts availability has been somewhat of a problem as of late, especially when computer chips are involved, but I am not sure it being open source really improves on that. If the OEM cannot keep up with production, your DIY/local supplier efforts are likely to suffer from the same capacity problems. It's not like you're going to setup your own silicon fab on a whim when your tractor breaks down in the middle of harvest.

Hadn’t seen that. Thanks for passing it along.
This is the TED Talk about version 1, and the vision of a different kind of technology base: https://www.ted.com/talks/marcin_jakubowski_open_sourced_blu...

Marcin et al., had also designed and built an open source earth brick maker, and trialed it in building buildings out of it. The advantage is being able to source building materials on site.

I don’t know how far the organization has gone in designing and prototyping the other devices they have on their roadmap.

The explosion in the number of sofware components in modern tractors and combines is inherent to what we expect from them. If your open source tractor is essentially a tractor from 20 years ago without the fancy new tech then there's no market for it. Just lookup how much tractors from before the "e-tractor era" go for. I'll break it to you, it's not a lot.

I think people who aren't involved with farming can't really comprehend the amount of technology involved and the savings that technology enables (and ultimately makes it worth it even if the equipment is more difficult/expensive to repair).

As an aside, we always hear complaints about John Deere and never other manufacturers. I wonder if it's because anti-corporate populism works better when it's targeted at a well known american brand or if John Deere is truely that bad. We don't have any modern John Deeres in my area but a few Case IH and Claas, and I've never heard any complaints.

Btw my point isn't to justify the anti-consumer behavior of some manufacturers, but to provide context as to why "an open source tractor" is a completely naive idea.

How do you manage with polination? I read that bees are dying off, all over the place.
Hasn’t been a big issue for us since we are a larger farm and have blueberries pollinating right after our almonds making us a desirable partner. The rates have gone up, but we can afford them easily for almonds. The current almond pollination actually uses essentially 100% of commercial bees in the United States, but almond acreage is almost certain to only go down for the foreseeable future, so I don’t expect it to become a big issue. My understanding is that the colony collapse disorder is not considered a huge threat by bee keepers that do things the right way.
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Private equity, but quite tech-y in a personal capacity (selfhosting, coding etc).

Don't recall how I ended up on hn though

It depends how you define tech. I work in the telecom sector, which is legacy tech, I always laugh when folks ask me about equity.
Not sure if Digital Marketing is considered tech or not, but anyway, here I am.
I'm trained in philosophy and social sciences, mostly economics and sociology. I work in management consulting, we do strategic communication and some public affairs.

We do have some tech mandates but my interest in technology is largely personal. My parents are both in tech and their very problem driven compsci dinner talk in the evening greatly influenced me throughout my younger years.

I feel that since tech grew into every corner of society its far less peculiar to have a tech interest than maybe even 15 years ago.

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Psychologist here, working in logistics now. I discovered HN 9 years ago, when I was involved in educational projects for startups.

Got immediately hooked not only by selection of links but also informational (an entertainment) value of comments which quite often are more intresting than a linked article itself.

Was on HN as a physics and neuroscience student for a long time, now at google though, probably in large parts due to the time I spend hanging out on HN.
Researcher in optics and photonics, just hanging around HN because I enjoy both the diversity of the topics and also the way comments are moderated. I can't remember when I discovered HN, but I know I went from /. to digg to reddit them HN. I hope HN will last a bit longer then the others before jumping the shark...
Mining engineer. Actual hard rock mining though.

Got sick of reddit

U.S. diplomat. Programming is a hobby and keeping up with the tech sector is relevant to my job.
Is that the most boring job in the comments? or the most interesting?