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If those workers stand their ground the mandate can be delayed forever. It will be interesting to see what the regime does next.
... which would be a bad thing. Get vaccinated, please.
Alternatively, inform yourself and take a conscious and thoughtful decision using the information at your disposal. Don’t let others (especially the government) push you around to take or not take the vaccine.
did your own research huh? was facebook one of the tools you used?
Just a reminder to anyone reading this.

Medical consent is your right. And you have the right to say no to any medical procedure for any reason.

A health-care worker who has recovered from Covid has sterilizing immunity that prevents both infection and transmission.

Vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission, and their effective protection against serious illness decreases monthly.

If the "vaccines" lose protection, doesn't that make them an anti-viral drug and not a vaccine?
They are vaccines in the sense they stimulate the immune system to fight the virus, but are weaker than traditional vaccines. It is pretty clear by now that VE against infection rapidly fades over time (6-12 months), say goodbye to herd immunity. There are encouraging epi and B cell studies that indicate VE against severe infection holds, but it's still relatively early in the pandemic. We lack long term data plus virus mutations are a risk factor. Hope for the best, but be cautious of premature victory proclamations.
“Please” and “mandate” are contradictions. Which is it?

I would recommend that people get themselves vaccinated, yes. Any politician who advocates for a mandate should be voted out of office and blacklisted from ever being elected again.

wow getting downvoted for asking people to vaccinate. the hn crowd gets dumber by the day.
If you continue to create accounts to break HN's guidelines with, we will ban your main account as well. No more of this please.
On a similar note, I’ve noticed California has made multiple exceptions for union workers (teaching, transit, etc) in terms of the mandate.

Less to do with staffing levels and more to do with voting blocks I’d presume.

There is also the issue of negotiating a contract and then trying to unilaterally override it.

Remember the executive order was for OSHA to study this and then come up with a ruling, and that hasn't even happened yet, let alone the inevitable court challenges once OSHA comes up with a new policy.

So action now means that the employer is just acting unilaterally, without any actual OSHA requirements, trying to amend a union contract - instead of waiting for the OSHA ruling to come out. That's not a particularly strong position to be in. If you are in a rush, then reach out to the union and ask them what it would take to agree to a modification of the contract. Unions will bargain with you if you bother bargaining with them instead of trying to impose mandates.

Now unions only cover a small share of employment, but they tend to be bigger in the healthcare sector, and in the current environment workers have a lot of options.

wow the antivax crowd is having a field day on this thread. says a great deal about the hn bunch.
Hackernews, the new antivax central. This tinfoil hat forum needs exposure on reddit.
Hackernews is quick at banning exposing tinfoil hat antivaxxers among its ranks. Whats the matter? Worried you’d be outed as a loonie forum?
Mandate control by causing fear...

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