They will try to fill them. Washington State is having a bit of a hard time hiring right now given the current worker shortage and state pay steadily losing ground against private sector pay.
Hey, those people either quit outright, or were informed multiple times about the consequences of inaction. It's their choice, not really a loss of jobs.
I wonder if there will be successful discrimination lawsuits. I'm kind of frightened at the precedent being set here. I've heard all the "prior precedent" but fail to see it matching the scale of whats happening here.
As I understand it, someone has to be a member of some "protected class" to sue over discrimination. I'm guessing that the protected classes vary based on the issue.
I sincerely doubt that "anti-vaxxer" is a protected class. I'm guessing that some suits will be filed, and those filing the suit will have to come up with membership in a protected class, otherwise the suit will be tossed for lack of standing. The suits that don't get tossed will be decided on the basis of "are you really in that protected class". That's a dual-edged sword. Make it super-easy to claim religious group membership? You've just made it super-easy for peace churches to really go after registering for selective service.
How about people who, for one reason or another, can't get vaccinated for medical reasons?
Sure, in any reasonable system, they would be exempt from the requirement. But were they? If not, they almost certainly have legitimate grounds for a suit.
And it doesn't have to be a discrimination suit. It can be a suit alleging, for example, unreasonable requirements for employment. (Do you have to be vaccinated for measles to be employed by Washington? How about influenza? If not, then what's the rationale for requiring Covid and not the others?)
I'm guessing recently transplanted people. I say 'recently' because my spouse was vaccinated, was on priority list, and she takes immunosuppressors, w/ a 20yo liver transplant. Some people going through chemo? I'm probably missing some cases.
Well at least for Pfizer I know those with a rare PEG allergy can’t have it. Not sure about the other vaccines. But yeah it’s actually very rare with these vaccines to find someone with a genuine medical reason for exemption.
The article says that 3% of employees are not vaccinated, but have an accommodation. So there must be a way for people who cannot be vaccinated to continue working.
> unreasonable requirements for employment
A pandemic that killed >700,000 Americans probably makes vaccination a reasonable requirement. It also varies by job — some state jobs probably do require MMR or Hepatitis vaccinations.
> Plus hospitals have monetary incentives to record these covid deaths
Hospitals have been deferring elective procedures, which are big revenue and profit drivers, due to COVID. I doubt this has been a huge moneymaker for them
> As I understand it, someone has to be a member of some "protected class" to sue over discrimination.
Everyone is member of a protected class as everyone has a race, nationality, sex, gender, sexual orientation, religion or lack of it, family status, etc.
So breakthrough infections are more likely for people who have been vaccinated vs people who have already caught SARS-CoV-2 and developed natural immunity. Interesting.
Still a good idea to get vaccinated to fight / reduce risk of infection.
Vaccination isn't just a good idea in the abstract, it is a good idea (for public health) in the real world.
Natural immunity is not better just because it correlates to a lower breakthrough infection rate than vaccination immunity. If you choose the natural immunity path, you're subjecting yourself (and others) to higher risk of death and health problems.
Possibly, but it might be better to focus on vaccinating the poor and bringing their immunity to 90% from 0% than mandating a rich person improve from 96% to 97% or get fired :) (this is where I think you might be misunderstanding, I’m not saying we should use natural immunity as a strategy for the 0% as you imply)
It reduces the spread, and greatly reduces the risk of death and hospitalization. It's not 100% effective, and that's never been the point. It's not like the "natural method" is 100% effective at preventing infection, either.
The vaccines have stood up pretty well against variants, when looking at hospitalization and death rates. The "natural method" has much higher rates of both. Boosters aren't being universally applied almost anywhere, and people getting hospitalized in places with big waves right now are mostly unvaccinated. Maybe you like mass graves and overcrowded hospitals, but the rest of us are getting vaccines.
Being fully vaccinated I'm still concerned about the precedent of making a medical procedure a requirement for employment. Almost two years of working remote might lead one to think that accommodation was possible but willfully ignored.
Where do they think they will work next? Can they really not see how universal these mandates are becoming? Lifelong unemployment just to prove a point?
For myself the resolution is suicide, if they come after me. I never though I gather enough courage, but I learned something about myself, and, sadly, about people around. With little goodies I acquired during endless lockdown there isn't more than couple years for me left anyways. So, fail hard, fail quickly is the only option.
Hope you all rejoice and will live forever. After all, your sweet percentage will go up.
Hi there, you replied to a post I made a little while back. Your reply has touched a lot of the people I know and it's really strengthened the resolve of many of the people I know in my community. I hope you are OK with me having shared a screenshot of it; I could not bare to let your words go unread by those fighting against these terroristic mandates against the people.
Please hang in there and know that there are a lot of others like you out there as well. There is a groundswell that will be taking place.
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[ 3.7 ms ] story [ 107 ms ] thread> A separate 3 percent of employees, 1,887, have left their jobs or were terminated as part of the mandate.
I sincerely doubt that "anti-vaxxer" is a protected class. I'm guessing that some suits will be filed, and those filing the suit will have to come up with membership in a protected class, otherwise the suit will be tossed for lack of standing. The suits that don't get tossed will be decided on the basis of "are you really in that protected class". That's a dual-edged sword. Make it super-easy to claim religious group membership? You've just made it super-easy for peace churches to really go after registering for selective service.
Sure, in any reasonable system, they would be exempt from the requirement. But were they? If not, they almost certainly have legitimate grounds for a suit.
And it doesn't have to be a discrimination suit. It can be a suit alleging, for example, unreasonable requirements for employment. (Do you have to be vaccinated for measles to be employed by Washington? How about influenza? If not, then what's the rationale for requiring Covid and not the others?)
Ah, must be nice living in 2018. I remember those days in the Before Times.
> unreasonable requirements for employment
A pandemic that killed >700,000 Americans probably makes vaccination a reasonable requirement. It also varies by job — some state jobs probably do require MMR or Hepatitis vaccinations.
The vast majority of those people died from morbidities at exactly the age they were expected to.
They admitted plenty of times that any positive test within a month of death means the death is regarded as a covid death.
Plus hospitals have monetary incentives to record these covid deaths.
The excess death rate, adjusted for population age, was almost negligible in 2020
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
This means that they don’t account for the baby boomers hitting their life expectancy in 2020 in huge numbers.
Hospitals have been deferring elective procedures, which are big revenue and profit drivers, due to COVID. I doubt this has been a huge moneymaker for them
Everyone is member of a protected class as everyone has a race, nationality, sex, gender, sexual orientation, religion or lack of it, family status, etc.
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural...
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting...
etc.
Still a good idea to get vaccinated to fight / reduce risk of infection.
Vaccination isn't just a good idea in the abstract, it is a good idea (for public health) in the real world.
Natural immunity is not better just because it correlates to a lower breakthrough infection rate than vaccination immunity. If you choose the natural immunity path, you're subjecting yourself (and others) to higher risk of death and health problems.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617
https://theswedenpost.com/most-covid-deaths-in-sweden-and-uk...
https://nypost.com/2021/10/06/sweden-suspends-moderna-vaccin...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-ma...
Please hang in there and know that there are a lot of others like you out there as well. There is a groundswell that will be taking place.