This is a bad thing for non-discriminatory freedoms.
Chances are you will catch it even if you work in a company with only vaccinated people. Herd immunity is not going to stop the delta variant[1], it'll be around for a very long time, vaccinated or not, you walk down the street someone coughs and you'll get it.
So then whats the point of discriminating against people who want to make a fair and sovereign decision about their own bodies?
You want to keep hospitals empty? Then why not solve the heart disease pandemic that takes 18 million lives a year, or the alcohol pandemic that takes more than 3 million lives a year?
It blows my mind how bluntly unnuanced people have become that they are willing to let people become homeless, creating a vast underclass of society. When will people see that the damage done to our democratic liberal society is enormous?
It will take decades to heal, and at the stage im not even convinced it will. I look at Australia and the Victorian premier is attempting to gain power so that he, on a whim, can declare a state-of-emergency and extend it as he sees fit, completely circumventing parliament. Police will be fining people up to $90,000 or 2 years in prison for flaunting the rules [2].
Speaking of nuance, catching and spreading the virus is not something you are either able or unable to do. If you (not you personally) are afraid of being vaccinated, you also have to accept the possibility that you might catch it more easily and also transmit more than the vaccinated version of yourself.
What does "the Delta variant won't be stopped" even mean? That deaths won't drop to zero? Well of course, this is not news.
This is an emergency situation and at least in my country, hospitals just cannot cope with the overwhelming number of patients and this severely affects people with other diseases as well.
So, being vaccinated is about you, but not only about you. You can't have it all.
My point was that firing these people isn't going to be worth it. Delta is here to stay despite it all.
At some point you need to look past the medical data and look at the impact these divisive and discriminatory policies will have on the unvaccinated, which is roughly at ~15% of a countries population.
Are you happy to strip these people from their human rights?
Are you happy to discriminate against 15% of the population? Rejecting them from going shopping or other basic tasks?
Are you happy to push these people further into an ideological war with the mainstream?
What are the costs when governments like Australia deny their own citizens the right to move interstate or internationally, on a whim?
Are you happy to have a global vaccine passport, which will restrict your freedoms dramatically and automatically as soon as you decide against your next booster shot?
What are the costs when trust is eroded within society?
I can just tell you this right now: its simply not worth it.
No I am not happy about this situation at all and I am not sure how I would deal with it if I was in charge. This 15% is more like 40% in Greece by the way, and a bit more than this in my city.
“can be” in that sentence just means the range of potential degrees of infectiousness overlap, which is not quite literally semantically null, but close enough as to make no practical difference.
Given they get infected in the first place, right? It is a posterior probability. This is the "Interpretation" paragraph from the linked Lancet paper:
> Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
Also note that the study is about household settings (which are responsible for the majority of transmissions according to the article), where the exposure is prolonged, and the faster decline of the viral load in vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections cannot make much difference.
Force vaccination is violence. Plain and simple. Especially if the "vaccine" doesn't prevent transmission nor does it prevent infection.
Fake virus. Fake pandemic. Fake politicians. Fake mandates. One of these days all these people pushing this are going to find themselves in a C-5 at 30k feet over the ocean and the bay door is going to open.
With all due respect, I have been hospitalized for nearly 2 months in a Covid ward since early last December. Actually I had a very bad road accident, but having tested positive when brought to the the ER (although I had symptomatic Covid a month earlier and was cured at home, until I tested negative) they were forced to keep me in the Covid ward, which meant no relatives visiting, everyone under suits+helmets, no contacts beyond the strict necessary, and the worst one: I had to get back surgery for a broken L4 vertebrae, but there was no surgeon willing to take the risk; they wanted me to become negative first, but I didn't, although 100% asymptomatic all swabs turned positive, so I had to wait about 10 days laying in bed with two wrists, one arm, one shoulder and one vertebrae broken, which ultimately damaged my spine so that now, although I can walk almost normally, I've lost sensitivity to some parts of both legs and some functionality of the right leg.
My condition aside, while I was there I've seen 5 people die of Covid, and 2 of them were next to my bed. Doctors and nurses were struggling to help everyone to the point that in some cases I had to keep my own shit for over 3 hours multiple times because there was no one around to help cleaning me: I was badly injured but wasn't in a life threatening condition, while many Covid patients were dying; ER and ICUs were full, so I was put behind in line. Couldn't complain about that.
By writing that nonsense you're shitting on the graves of everyone who lost their lives or those who lost their relatives and friends, just like the husband of a friend of mine who didn't get the vaccine in time and now is dead, and those who did their best to help others.
Just got a mandate from my employer, due to them being a government contractor.
I will not be vaccinated with the covid vaccines. Will I quit over it? No.. that's silly, they will have to fire me. Then I can collect unemployment while I locate another job.
The Article cites Texas law, but in Texas, there is an EO that prohibits companies from enforcing vaccine mandates. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 47.1 ms ] threadChances are you will catch it even if you work in a company with only vaccinated people. Herd immunity is not going to stop the delta variant[1], it'll be around for a very long time, vaccinated or not, you walk down the street someone coughs and you'll get it.
So then whats the point of discriminating against people who want to make a fair and sovereign decision about their own bodies?
You want to keep hospitals empty? Then why not solve the heart disease pandemic that takes 18 million lives a year, or the alcohol pandemic that takes more than 3 million lives a year?
It blows my mind how bluntly unnuanced people have become that they are willing to let people become homeless, creating a vast underclass of society. When will people see that the damage done to our democratic liberal society is enormous?
It will take decades to heal, and at the stage im not even convinced it will. I look at Australia and the Victorian premier is attempting to gain power so that he, on a whim, can declare a state-of-emergency and extend it as he sees fit, completely circumventing parliament. Police will be fining people up to $90,000 or 2 years in prison for flaunting the rules [2].
Is this the world you want?
[1] - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-wi...
[2] - https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/two-year-jail-te...
What does "the Delta variant won't be stopped" even mean? That deaths won't drop to zero? Well of course, this is not news.
This is an emergency situation and at least in my country, hospitals just cannot cope with the overwhelming number of patients and this severely affects people with other diseases as well.
So, being vaccinated is about you, but not only about you. You can't have it all.
At some point you need to look past the medical data and look at the impact these divisive and discriminatory policies will have on the unvaccinated, which is roughly at ~15% of a countries population.
Are you happy to strip these people from their human rights?
Are you happy to discriminate against 15% of the population? Rejecting them from going shopping or other basic tasks?
Are you happy to push these people further into an ideological war with the mainstream?
What are the costs when governments like Australia deny their own citizens the right to move interstate or internationally, on a whim?
Are you happy to have a global vaccine passport, which will restrict your freedoms dramatically and automatically as soon as you decide against your next booster shot?
What are the costs when trust is eroded within society?
I can just tell you this right now: its simply not worth it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59077036
> Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
Also note that the study is about household settings (which are responsible for the majority of transmissions according to the article), where the exposure is prolonged, and the faster decline of the viral load in vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections cannot make much difference.
Force vaccination is violence. Plain and simple. Especially if the "vaccine" doesn't prevent transmission nor does it prevent infection.
Fake virus. Fake pandemic. Fake politicians. Fake mandates. One of these days all these people pushing this are going to find themselves in a C-5 at 30k feet over the ocean and the bay door is going to open.
By writing that nonsense you're shitting on the graves of everyone who lost their lives or those who lost their relatives and friends, just like the husband of a friend of mine who didn't get the vaccine in time and now is dead, and those who did their best to help others.
Please either stop or fuck off.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/vaccine-mand...