Ask HN: What are some technically inspiring movies, TV shows or documentaries?

69 points by hashim ↗ HN
It's often hard to summon the constant motivation needed to single-handedly build a web app or bootstrap a startup. When I've run out of my personal reserves, what are some movies and TV shows that will recharge them? I'm not talking about media that's just about tech. I'm thinking of movies like The Social Network and (the first) Iron Man, and TV shows like Silicon Valley and Halt & Catch Fire - media that captures the spirit of coding, building or engineering something. Alternatively, sales films that aren't technical but capture the "soft skills" needed to build something to profitability, like persistence and hard work, eg. The Pursuit of Happyness.

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You might like "Bogowie". On the documentary side: "Something Ventured"
Primer, both for the discovery within the film and the fact they were able to make an aware winning, cult movie for like $70,000.
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It was $7,500. $5,000 of that was the camera hire, $1,400 was the single paid actor (the rest were friends and family). The used expired film stock that a film company donated to the production. It was all edited in Premier Pro on a home PC. Shane Carruth wrote, directed, edited, composed, acted, produced, everything.

My favourite fact is that they only had ~80 mins of film donated to them. This meant they couldn't afford retakes. Normally there's a ~10:1 ratio of shot film to final run length. With Primer and their constraints, they storyboarded everything in such detail and rehearsed so much that they managed to shoot just 74 minutes for a 72 minute run length.

Is that 10:1 ratio post or pre-digital films? Because in my experience as a young PA film cameras didn't have live viewfinders. Film was maybe 2:1 or 3:1 because you didn't have unlimited film and unlimited film processing budget. Digital and reality TV has made it normal to film everything in multiple takes and clean it in post. But old school DPs, who were used to film, would get the whole thing done in one take without a lot of waste.
I heard the 10:1 ratio a while ago, and for "Hollywood films". So I'm guessing on-film, but where film/processing budget isn't much of a limiting factor. Primer was released in 2004 so at that time most things would have been on film.

That said, I'm not in the industry, this is just what I've read about the production of Primer, so if your experience was of 2-3:1 that may be more accurate!

Sorry for the 70k I might have been thinking of Pi, which was another favourite film of mine!
Hackers (1995)

Not joking, it's a silly and campy movie but it captures the enthusiasm I had as a kid for making computers do things.

Not about coding, but about achieving something through persistence and hard work: Fitzcarraldo (1982)

> Fitzcarraldo (Herzog, 1982)

In-drama and out-drama?

> When shooting was nearly complete, the chief of the Machiguenga tribe, who were used extensively as extras, asked Herzog if they should kill Kinski for him

If you liked Fitzcarraldo, you should absolutely watch "Burden of Dreams" which is basically the making of Fitzcarraldo. It's fascinating.
Interstellar. Halt and Catch Fire.
My all-time favorite. Even though not much technical in terms of computer science, most of Nolan movies are masterpieces IMO.
I know what you mean about The Social Network and Silicon Valley. Not tech specifically, but definitely motivating and inspiring for me are:

Moneyball Margin Call Limitless The Big Short Wolf of Wall Street That Fyre documentary and at Christmas - Trading Places

Pirates of Silicon Valley. One of my favorite movies of all time.
That movie is better than all the movies about Steve Jobs that came out since. It shows the good and the bad.
Pretty much any space-related documentaries. Rosetta probe's trajectory alone is one heck of a motivation.

However it's also beneficial to have a dollop of reality on top of Iron Man fantasies. I think that docs like Indie Game and Startup.com must be on the first year CS cirriculum and a required viewing after Social Network. For many, it would help setting expectations a bit more straight.

I see what you're saying, and will check them out, but I would argue setting expectations straight would be demotivational. As long as you know a given idea is not delusional, I think there might be a benefit in keeping your expectations unmanaged, something psychological that says the more you entertain the idea of things going wrong, the more likely they are to. I may be wrong but I intuitively feel like success for a given goal is to a large extent about being stubborn and headstrong in the pursuit of it.
Certainly Primer and Halt and Catch Fire. At times, Interstellar.
General Magic (2018) absolutely captures the essence of running & working at a startup doing innovative work on products that were well ahead of their time. Marc Porat is an incredible speaker, and he sheds a ton of light on what struggles they went through (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RaTIF6st4c), and the thought process behind bringing Magic Cap to market. The soundtrack alone (done by Benji Merrison) makes the film worth watching, and it's my go-to album for when I need to get focused. Highly recommend. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6849786/
Do you know if it's possible to buy a DRM-free version of it?
I don't think it's possible, although it is available on DVD/Blu-Ray, for what that's worth.
I found the original “Indie Game: The Movie” very personally inspiring, the sequel less so. It’s a documentary about a number of indie game developers working really hard and risking it all to make it. The passion these people are pouring into their games is palpable.

“Mr. Robot” is great if you don’t mind it’s overdramatized dystopian atmosphere. Probably one of the most realistic use of computers in a TV show. It has ups and downs, some of its best and worst episodes are in its final season, it’s a pretty interesting roller coaster.

“Computer Chess” is a weird black and white fictional movie about people trying to build the best Chess AI in the 80s. I really enjoyed it. Does a great job capturing the vibe of the era.

I’d like to suggest the delightfully intricate worlds of one, Wes Anderson.
The Martian. I don’t know of any other movie that better celebrates the uniquely human ability to overcome challenges through innovation and persistence. That movie gets me charged up.
For what it’s worth I would say the book is even stronger at it.

The movie watered down Watney’s technical know how quite a bit. That is to say if you liked the movie, you’ll love the book.

Reminded me a lot of Apollo 13, which I feel similarly captures that, and really happened!
Yes, I love this one. Great movie.
I got you

Documentaries

- The Airbnb Story[1] <-- Start here

- High Score (A netflix series on the history of games, the first episode has a part where some college guys had to change hardware to make games harder)

- The Pirate Bay, Away from Keyboard

- Silicon Cowboys; highly recommend this one, I believe we wouldn't have the industry as it is today, if it weren't for Compaq.

Movies

- Who Am I, No System is safe (Look for one with English Subtitles)

- Echelon Conspiracy

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XicLf8cyh5E

I second Silicon Cowboys. It sounds exactly what OP is looking for. 1980s David vs. Goliath. I was cheering from my sofa.
Triumph of the Nerds

War Games

Real Genius

Any of the 'How it's made' series.

One that immediately comes to mind is "The Imitation Game", on the life of Alan Turing during WWII.

For something less tech-oriented, "Molly's Game" is inspiring for me. The characterization of Molly as being both smart and relentlessly hard working is motivating to me, while also showing the dangers of taking it to the nth degree.

In a similar vein to "Molly's Game", "The Queen's Gambit" series on Netflix is not about tech, but very much on being the best you can be at something, along with the dangers of taking it too far.

"The Hundred Foot Journey" has nothing to do with technology at all, but rather cooking (which I usually hate). But, it captures the feeling of iteration, hard work, and self-improvement, and the notion of dealing with adversarial people and eventually becoming allies.

While definitely silly and kid-friendly, "Real Steel" gives me similar "iteration and self-improvement" vibes that give me a mental boost.

Finally, on the anime side, I have one hugely overlooked recommendation that I LOVED and yet got very little recognition: Knights and Magic. It's standard "isekai" setup has a software developer transported to another world, but he very much captures the excitement of taking an engineering mindset to problem solving when coming up with new mechanical solutions to each new fight. It's not as technical as I wish it were, but in terms of capturing the spirit of tech and engineering in a stylized way, this show was a ton of fun for me!

I also found Imitation Game, Molly’s Game and Queens Gambit galvanizing. It’s interesting that those movies elicit that kind of response despite their ostensible message being the human cost of pursuing goals at the expense of everything else. In a similar vein a Beautiful Mind and The Social network also were motivating for me.

I’m not sure if I’m just taking away the wrong message (like the people who read Liar’s Dice and wanted to go into banking) or if the writer’s own subconscious admiration of these people permeated into the medium (or maybe they made it intentionally ambiguous). There is probably some deeper insight into how we all struggle with reconciling society’s veneration of individual success (monetary and/or reputational) with the social expectation that we conform to the norms of society (being social, not abusing drugs, placing social cohesion above everything else)

Even as I wrote my recommendations, I questioned whether other viewers take the same inspiration I take from them, given the negative consequences explored in each, so I'm glad to see I'm not the only one.

In addition to your points, I do think there is an aspect of human nature that is most strongly fascinated by people who achieve extraordinary things, but simultaneously have some major flaw or deficiency (especially a deficiency in something ordinary that we, ourselves, do not have).

It's as though, while we crave role models and achievements to aspire to, we are also comforted to think that our relative shortcomings with regards to our aspirations are made up for in other areas that our role models may lack.

The good stories always hit you in the subconscious bits. I don't think you can really write good stories from some kind of formula. It has to cut really deeply somehow.
In the same vein in anime: Dr. Stone is really damn good as well! Goes deep into inventing chemistry and tech from scratch. My wife is a chemist and couldn't find anything inaccurate about it!
Breaking the Code with Derek Jacobi is a much better portrayal of Turing
Movies and Hollywood in general are a pretty bad source for that kind of material.
Also open to recommendations from any other world industry, including Japanese anime.
If you need external inspiration to do something that's usually a bad sign. If you need it to start a business that's a recipe for disaster.

I tend to agree with Elon Musk, he said: "If you need inspiring words, don't do it." [0]

[0] https://www.facebook.com/drivelinebaseball/videos/if-you-nee...

this sure sounds like external inspiration:

“I think Apollo 11 was one of the most inspiring things in all of human history. Arguably the most inspiring thing. And one of the most universally good things in history. The level of inspiration that provided to the people of Earth was incredible. And it certainly inspired me. I’m not sure SpaceX would exist if not for Apollo 11.”

- Elon Musk

Yes but that's not something a movie can give you or words can help with.
I don’t really follow - most people inspired by Apollo have only ever known about it via film or words.

A huge fraction of the movies people have suggested here are nonfiction about the space program.

Couldn't disagree more and this is exactly why I worded the text very carefully in the way that I did. It's true that you need to be a certain level of self-driven to achieve a goal or project, and that a good portion of the motivation for it should come internally, but human beings are not the machines that we program and it doesn't benefit us to pretend that we are. Long hours of working on the same overwhelming things has the very natural effect of burning us out, so external motivators are necessary from time to time, and I would argue much more beneficial than running on fumes just because you have some irrational belief that you're too much of a Terminator to need external motivation.
Of course we're influenced by the world around us, but I guess the point I'm trying to make is that you can't look for inspiration. It kind of has to come to you. This is why movies are probably a bad source. As a commenter below mentioned Apollo 11 was a very inspirational achievement to lots of people, it was an incredible event that changed people's lives specially impressionable children.

You need to be shaped by those events like a statue.

That's why those events need to be powerful, significant and life changing not mere theatrical plays.

you can't look for inspiration. It kind of has to come to you

You need to be shaped by those events like a statue.

those events need to be powerful, significant and life changing

Sounds like you're making a lot of speculation on what you/Elon Musk think humans should be instead of what they actually are.

It's shifting the goalposts compared to your points earlier, which was that human beings could not rely on external motivation.

More importantly, without being accompanied by citations of some sort, your claims about what should be are basically religious/superstitious, and therefore meaningless to anyone else but you.

Pentagon Wars, which is about the nature of how products become ludicrously elaborate when political pressure is wielded… and about how testing is affected.
Moneyball - Taking a data driven approach to a problem and trusting in the process.
October Sky - story of a coal miner’s son becoming a Nasa engineer. It was a big inspiration in my high school.
I just watched "Generation Startup" it's a really cool story around the struggles of young tech entrepreneurs.

It's a documentary. Worth the time.

I've enjoyed Suits. It's about lawyers, but with an intertwined hacker ethic (one of the lead characters is a college dropout practicing law without a license). There's a bit of cheese that spoils it for me sometimes, but for the most part the emotional drama is pretty engaging, and it definitely inspires a determined, gritty attitude.
+1 for Suits. I didn't do all the seasons, but I was pretty solid for the first five. Also, every guy could use a "Donna" in his life.
I found October sky movie to be pretty motivating.
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