Nah, the product page is a gentle rib at smartphone manufacturers, whenever they release a new device and have a flashy video to go with it. Check out the video on the product page. It's definitely "you're a grown-ass adult and you kind of want this on your desk" lol
(because it's quite clear to me that many many people on HN act like it's some kind of hivemind collective, and so it continually needs to be pointed out)
I mean, faking out a mechanical music box with electronics, and then driving the only physical part with a decapitated, silent music box is sort of outrageous.
I just bought it for my 14 months old and Im not sure which combination is the best but the results are not as good as yours. Are you using only breathing or the sound and light as well?
Same age baby here, it worked well for mine when she was 6 to 10 months old. After that these kinds of tricks didn't really work anymore.
A normal stuffed toy now has the same effect as a sound and "breathing" one, she holds it and goes to sleep and when she doesn't want to sleep the toy makes no difference.
How long does the battery last? I got a similar product Whisbear, and it needs to be charged every 2 days... We just took the electronics out and it seems to work just as well :D
I have one of those too for my son’s crib, two AA batteries will last you about a month or two (we use it each night.) Highly recommended!
Funny thing is he’s 8 months old now and I’m not sure he actually likes having it play the music any more? He’s learned to turn it off by pressing his face against the stomach… not every time though. But when he doesn’t want it on, he very deliberately crawls over to it, presses his nose to it, and it turns it off. At least he can decide when he doesn’t want it on!
I don't know how Fisher-Price manage to get the quality they do. No other toys in our house come close to being as unbreakable. The cash register I played with in the 80's is still working just as well as it did back then.
This is such a funny product. The original chatter telephone toy is one of my mom's favorite toys when she was a kid. She always brings it up and eventually found one at a garage sale to buy for herself. This would make for a funny Christmas gift seeing as you can use the handset for real.
All I want to know is, can I Bluetooth audio device it into my work laptop's SIP client? It could sit inside webcam view for those important conf calls
I don’t think it’s just a headset, more of a hands-free interface. A headset can’t establish outgoing calls to arbitrary numbers like a hands-free interface can.
Agreed. My nieces who are still young enough to get a kick out of that live with their grandma (and the other lives in Senegal and doesn’t speak much if any English) so I’m not sure who they’d get a call from … me, I guess!
I suppose I should be a better uncle and call my nieces and nephews sometime, cute phone or no cute phone. There’s just so freaking many of them now.
I doubt anyone needs this, but I want to buy it just for the product description! It's full of gems, e.g. "Sort of sleek mobile design experience with colors, numbers, and wobbly eyes that will turn heads".
Can't tell if this is inspired by market research, or if someone at the company simply had the freedom to create something that's just fun. Kinda wish it's the latter.
Actually this could be quite useful for parents who may have conditions like epilepsy or diabetes or something else where they could slip into states of unconsciousness or incapacitation. The kid could be taught from an early age to ring 911 or 999 or some other emergency number listed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_nu... (what a anti-NWO list of numbers)
and hopefully get the appropriate service just by using their Fisher Price phone.
We read and hear about kids calling the emergency services all the time so I wonder how long before we get the first Fisher-Price mobile phone emergency call, which news organisations will be the first to run with it?
I feel like all the toddlers I know, including my own, would already know how to use a smartphone by the time they would be able to learn to use this phone.
We have a land line phone because I didn't want to have to teach the kids how to unlock my phone nor rely on my phone always being charged and accessible in case of emergency. The land line is always on accessible and always in the aame spot.
One other thing I thought of: a land line is tied to an address without needing the child to be able to give the address verbally. My oldest can, my youngest is still learning, but I am also assuming all bets are off if they're scared.
Also, I'm sorry for the various typos in the previous post.
FYI, all mobile phone numbers in the US have the option of being tied to an address for 911 purposes. I assume the default is the billing address, but the address can be changed to be specific to each phone number.
I distinctly remember the shock (and adults scrambling) that ensued when we discovered my 18-month-old niece figured out how to unlock an iPhone back in 2011.
I do feel this is market research inspired. The fact that it is sold out between Thanks Giving and Christmas. This makes a brilliant secret santa gift for offices, friends, family.
Some years ago my then 3 year old picked up a payphone in a very remote area and said "hello, hello" into the receiver. I'm reasonably sure that is the first landline phone he ever say in his life.
Wait, this is for children??? I’m not sure about that. I bet a range of adults would have fun with this phone on a very serious, very stern desk. Imagine interrupting an interview because your Fisher Price phone is ringing.
I used to know someone that worked there and it always seemed like the engineers had a lot of latitude and enjoyed their jobs, so I'm guessing it bubbled up from the bottom.
When you land you get a full-screen Cookies consent dialog (which according to another poster ignores the preferences you choose), overlayed by a notifications dialog.
This is pretty cool, but I wonder if toddlers nowadays even understand what a cord phone is. After all, playing is often just mimicking adult behavior, and adults aren't using corded phones anymore, so to a child this might not be a fun toy. A cool toy for adults, though.
Playing is often mimicking adult behaviour, but certainly not always... They may not use the phone "correctly" but kids have a special skill of using anything as a toy.
Weirdly enough there’s one of the original versions of this toy in the toy box at our local pub and my three year old saw it and immediately knew that it was a phone. I have absolutely no idea how.
Nurseries have a lot of old books, and TV channels repeat a lot of old cartoons & other shows, so a kid may be exposed to old-style phones in passing quite a lot. And “in passing” is enough at that stage, when a growing brain readily hoovers up any and all available information.
We made an effort to not expose our son to that at a young age (no screens at all, and we didn't send him to daycare) He still figured out the first landline phone he saw.
Sesame Street still includes their old sketches with corded phones. I'll bet other kids TV does too.
I've found the answer to pretty much every "how do they know that?" is "A TV show". Although now that the older one can read and is in-person school, the answer is increasingly "Books" or "Someone at school".
Uhm, at like my grandma and grandpa's house - sure. But my kid(who is 7 months now) won't see one at my mum's house, because....why would he. She's already young enough to be cellphone-only, landlines are just an ancient relic(that yes, my 80 year old grandma still uses, sure).
Well, my parents (who are in their late 60s and grandparents) still do have a landline. An actual, honest to goodness analog AT&T landline. I've been trying to get them to at least switch it over to their cable company, but they are stuck in their ways.
My 1-year old had a toy with a small plastic non-functioning telephone. After 1 demonstration where we pantomimed using a phone, he started picking up everything and holding it to his ear. Fruit, books, other toys, pretending it were a telephone and trying to speak into it. Every time he did this, we'd play along and say "Hello?" into our own nearby imaginary phone. He got a reaction from us that reinforced the game.
Eventually I gave him a real handset from an old rotary phone to play with. He might never have the experience of calling someone on it, but babies are at least able to figure out pretty quickly how to use these things in play.
My new washer-dryer (not as much fun as the telephone) has bluetooth ,and I can monitor and control it with an app ('Homewhiz')..
...that connects to a cloud server 'somewhere'.
...for which the app suppliers want: my location and access to my microphone, camera and contacts - and the app won't install or run if you start denying access.
Nope, not happening.
I wish I was more of a hacker/programmer because I'd like to do some protocol sniffing and create a connector for Node-Red so that I could link the appliance to my home automation system without becoming a personal data asset for the manufacturer.
I would hope this is just using bluetooth headset profile, and doesn't require anything like that. It really doesn't need anything else with the feature set as described.
Yep. My comment was more along the lines of 'connectivity can be fun/useful, but sometimes there's a privacy trade-off'.
I'd consider myself 'aware' rather than 'paranoid', but if we extrapolate for a minute....Some function or app on the phone (or distant cloud service) can recognise the MAC address of the Fisher price phone's bluetooth PHY and, coupled with GPS info, we have a location where there's possibly a young child (or an older one in their home office!). Maybe, worse case, your targeted ads contain more children's toys.
Yeah, but someone in your home
might have a rogue phone app installed (or not even that, I bet companies like Xiaomi already so this with their smart home stuff) that scans bluetooth devices and sends the addresses so that they can be data mined.
Regular apps can't typically access the MAC address of the connected device. Additionally, with BLE (& Bluetooth 5?) the MAC address is required to rotate regularly as part of the spec (IIRC even while connected but certainly the broadcast address).
BLE has a privacy feature that enables MAC address rotation, but it isn't a requirement. Apple products and Android phones use the privacy feature, but other than that most products don't. The possibility of tracking someone via the MAC address of their Bluetooth devices is very real.
But you are correct that regular apps can't address the MAC address of connected Bluetooth devices, so the tracking vulnerability that OP is suggesting isn't really possible.
The description seems to say that you can dial out on the toy, but it connects via Bluetooth to the mobile device to do so:
"Connects to your mobile device with Bluetooth® wireless technology to make and receive calls through your existing phone plan—no additional line required (Compatible with IOS and Android™ devices)"
Without knowing the App, but the location permission could be required for Bluetooth 4.X LE to work. That still doesn't justify why a dryer needs your phonebook.
I haven't kept up with it, it needs a rooted phone and Xposed Framework, and some apps don't like that and stop working.
But in an older version of this app, you can set it to prompt you for any activity the app wants to do, e.g. read clipboard or phone status, where you can say "Allow/deny always, allow/deny for 10 minutes" etc.
> for which the app suppliers want: my location and access to my microphone, camera and contacts - and the app won't install or run if you start denying access
Could these things be virtualized? And provide a fixed location, silent sound, and an empty contact list to whatever applications you don't trust?
Yes, if you run an android version with root there are frameworks for doing this. That said, some apps detect when things are too static and won't necessarily work even with these workarounds.
This should be built into the operating system. Didn't Android (or maybe it was iOS) add a feature recently where you can set your camera to be a black screen unless you explicitly give permission to the app even if you gave permission to the app earlier?
I agree, but I doubt it will happen. It was already a battle to get the permissions in android as fine-grained as they are. Even though they are fine-grained now, the permissions don't mean anything when every app demands that you give it everything it asks for (even though it clearly does not need them to work).
Why did you buy that washer and dryer? Surely there were non-"appified" versions available? You appear to hate the idea, but you just told that manufacturer that that's what you wanted.
> I wish I was more of a hacker/programmer because I'd like to do some protocol sniffing and create a connector for Node-Red so that I could link the appliance to my home automation system without becoming a personal data asset for the manufacturer.
Phones should have fake permissions for this kind of thing. Suuure you can read my SMS. Oh, I never get any SMS? Well that's how it is. Mine my contact info? Oh, look at that, I have no friends.
Assuming it's a built-in iOS/Android feature, hopefully app review would catch apps trying to circumvent the fake permissions, and the risk of blocking real users would probably discourage them (I almost never use SMS unless it's for a verification code, and I have no reason to keep those messages).
iOS has this with the photo album permission at least. You can select to only reveal a select subset of your photos to an app. I assume Android has something similar.
I am sure nostalgia inducing toys (and anything else) have been a known business strategy for a long time. See all the recent movies with young people listening to 80s music.
I don't know how many people here have interacted with toddlers on phones, but I'm not sure this will take off.
The thing that kids love about communicating on mobile phones is video. They love to see themselves and love to see you. I would be very surprised if a 3 year old would prefer this over a WhatsApp video call / facetime.
> Your childhood is calling, now you can actually answer.
> A real-working phone for a real adult desk
> The Fisher-Price® Chatter Telephone® toy has been helping littles get walking and talking since 1961. To commemorate this incredible milestone, we’re inviting you to give your childhood a call with a real, working Chatter Telephone™ desk phone! Let’s remember what it was like to be little. When everything in the world could be something to play with and all it took was a little imagination to make something really fun happen. Let’s get down on the floor, sing at trees, spend less time growing up and a little more time growing down. Let’s be kids.
This product was made for adults. It's a joke / nostalgia play. Limited edition at Best Buy, while supplies last.
This has an extremely high i-want-this factor for me, personally. No way my kids get to touch this thing (if I could get a hold of one in Europe, seems sold out or unavailable)
I want to use this during video calls for work, where people can see me listen and speak into the thing.
I have a 1 year old, and he has phone toys but he doesn't pick them up and do the fake conversation play like we did as kids. Obviously because a phone today is a pocket Facebook machine and device to Facetime grandma with.
If I had to guess after a quick listen, it's probably some royalty-free 30 second 'epic space synth' track they licensed directly. Didn't strike me as a song that's been released elsewhere, but I definitely could be wrong!
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 245 ms ] thread> This product is not intended for kids.
I got a Soothe’n’Snuggle for my 3 year old child and it is a full on sleep-inducing soft robot. It works. Very sophisticated for less than $40.
https://www.fisher-price.com/en-gb/product/soothe-n-snuggle-...
Sorry, I find it a bit annoying when people make broad conclusions about a large group of people while ignoring sampling bias.
(because it's quite clear to me that many many people on HN act like it's some kind of hivemind collective, and so it continually needs to be pointed out)
Last month people were angry they released a lazier version of their toy, and today they're praised for their efforts on new toys.
People like nice things.
A normal stuffed toy now has the same effect as a sound and "breathing" one, she holds it and goes to sleep and when she doesn't want to sleep the toy makes no difference.
Funny thing is he’s 8 months old now and I’m not sure he actually likes having it play the music any more? He’s learned to turn it off by pressing his face against the stomach… not every time though. But when he doesn’t want it on, he very deliberately crawls over to it, presses his nose to it, and it turns it off. At least he can decide when he doesn’t want it on!
"Bulky design" "Colors"
I guess call centre employees would count too but that would be just cruel.
Why advertise when you can create a product people want to talk about?
It's the fisher price of Amazon delivery drones.
Security through obscurity doesn't work.
That's why we build defense in layers. The obscurity layer is extraordinarily effective for the effort it requires. It also keeps log files clean!
Bluetooth is for making actual calls via your phone, just like a bluetooth headset.
This is aimed at adults.
Ideal yankee swap gift, IMO. Too bad it is out of stock.
Love their marketing speak here :)
it actually seems to be made for adults with the Bluetooth connecting to the mobile phone for real calls.
Seems to clearly target adults.
I suppose I should be a better uncle and call my nieces and nephews sometime, cute phone or no cute phone. There’s just so freaking many of them now.
Can't tell if this is inspired by market research, or if someone at the company simply had the freedom to create something that's just fun. Kinda wish it's the latter.
“Its intuitive bulky face design comes with a 'super-advanced' rotary dial”
wonderful
Phone has wheels
Also, I'm sorry for the various typos in the previous post.
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/account/change-your-billing...
https://www.verizon.com/support/knowledge-base-214957/
https://asecare.att.com/tutorials/officehand-e-911-emergency...
On the other hand, how many children have actually seen any adult use any phone like this (rotary, or even any other landline)
there is a product demo video that does not load on the mobile app i browse HN with. you simply must see it, it is nearly a work of art.
if they werent sold out i would buy 4 of them for nieces, nephews, and my WFH desk.
"The past has finally arrived"
"Numbers. Colors. Eyes."
They could have totally reused the same, respectable jokes from the product description in the video, but they did something new. This is art.
> Bluetooth® range: 15 feet; Fun: unlimited
I'm waiting for the Elf on the Shelf to become Amazon Ring enabled.
"He sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good..."
https://i.imgur.com/wFUvj1F.jpg
When you land you get a full-screen Cookies consent dialog (which according to another poster ignores the preferences you choose), overlayed by a notifications dialog.
Nurseries have a lot of old books, and TV channels repeat a lot of old cartoons & other shows, so a kid may be exposed to old-style phones in passing quite a lot. And “in passing” is enough at that stage, when a growing brain readily hoovers up any and all available information.
I've found the answer to pretty much every "how do they know that?" is "A TV show". Although now that the older one can read and is in-person school, the answer is increasingly "Books" or "Someone at school".
It's the thing they see at grandma and grandpa's house.
Eventually I gave him a real handset from an old rotary phone to play with. He might never have the experience of calling someone on it, but babies are at least able to figure out pretty quickly how to use these things in play.
...that connects to a cloud server 'somewhere'.
...for which the app suppliers want: my location and access to my microphone, camera and contacts - and the app won't install or run if you start denying access.
Nope, not happening.
I wish I was more of a hacker/programmer because I'd like to do some protocol sniffing and create a connector for Node-Red so that I could link the appliance to my home automation system without becoming a personal data asset for the manufacturer.
I'd consider myself 'aware' rather than 'paranoid', but if we extrapolate for a minute....Some function or app on the phone (or distant cloud service) can recognise the MAC address of the Fisher price phone's bluetooth PHY and, coupled with GPS info, we have a location where there's possibly a young child (or an older one in their home office!). Maybe, worse case, your targeted ads contain more children's toys.
That’s not how MAC addresses work. Once a packet crosses a router, the packet appears to come from the MAC address of the router.
So for example a web site you connect to has no idea what your MAC address is.
...unless you (or the app you're running) tells it.
But, yeah, you're not wrong for IP networking - however, an app on the phone could forward the MAC address of the bluetooth connected device.
But you are correct that regular apps can't address the MAC address of connected Bluetooth devices, so the tracking vulnerability that OP is suggesting isn't really possible.
"Connects to your mobile device with Bluetooth® wireless technology to make and receive calls through your existing phone plan—no additional line required (Compatible with IOS and Android™ devices)"
Calling random people doesn’t seem like something that’s a good idea.
The closest I could find to it saying that was the customer questions, one of which was answered with, “This one is intended for adult collectors.”
I haven't kept up with it, it needs a rooted phone and Xposed Framework, and some apps don't like that and stop working.
But in an older version of this app, you can set it to prompt you for any activity the app wants to do, e.g. read clipboard or phone status, where you can say "Allow/deny always, allow/deny for 10 minutes" etc.
Could these things be virtualized? And provide a fixed location, silent sound, and an empty contact list to whatever applications you don't trust?
I agree, but I doubt it will happen. It was already a battle to get the permissions in android as fine-grained as they are. Even though they are fine-grained now, the permissions don't mean anything when every app demands that you give it everything it asks for (even though it clearly does not need them to work).
I might have used something like XPrivacy. https://github.com/M66B/XPrivacy
Ironically, those are probably more expensive. Privacy has become a commodity.
You may find this post (https://ptx2.net/posts/unbricking-a-bike-with-a-raspberry-pi...) inspirational.
I'm perfectly happy using appliances like it's the pre-smartphone era but the moment using an app becomes _required_ is when I'll flip my shit
The thing that kids love about communicating on mobile phones is video. They love to see themselves and love to see you. I would be very surprised if a 3 year old would prefer this over a WhatsApp video call / facetime.
> Your childhood is calling, now you can actually answer.
> A real-working phone for a real adult desk
> The Fisher-Price® Chatter Telephone® toy has been helping littles get walking and talking since 1961. To commemorate this incredible milestone, we’re inviting you to give your childhood a call with a real, working Chatter Telephone™ desk phone! Let’s remember what it was like to be little. When everything in the world could be something to play with and all it took was a little imagination to make something really fun happen. Let’s get down on the floor, sing at trees, spend less time growing up and a little more time growing down. Let’s be kids.
This product was made for adults. It's a joke / nostalgia play. Limited edition at Best Buy, while supplies last.
I want to use this during video calls for work, where people can see me listen and speak into the thing.
This sold out within hours of being released, so I'm pretty sure it already did :)
https://twitter.com/nikitonsky/status/1465247347550703618
Had a quick listen and it does sound like the right track.