Oof. It's good that they've changed their tune for now, but I wouldn't trust that company as far as I could throw it to not get up to more shenanigans in the future.
They're a "premier sponsor" on the front page of OBS along with Twitch, Facebook, and Youtube. They're giving far more than $50k/year to earn that spot. The one-time donation in 2019 was likely their smallest.
Genuine question - is OBS set up so that all contributions show up there? Or is this the equivalent of a Patreon or something, where a large corporation doing large corporate things would instead write a check (or do a wire transfer) completely unrelated to this website?
Not all financial contributions are shown there. There's a Patreon and also private contributions that exceed the Open Collective tiers, they appear in the Premier section on the OBS homepage.
Streamlabs was using the name, "OBS" (Streamlabs OBS aka SLOBS) in their fork of OBS and it led a bunch of people to believe that Streamlabs == OBS.
On OBS github, contributors asked SLOBS to stop doing that, and Streamlabs declined.
Streamer community outrage ensued via Twitter. Large exodus of SLOBS users to OBS. Streamlabs publicly apologized a few days later, and renamed Streamlabs OBS to Streamlabs Studio.
Ah that is a good outcome. I pessimistically thought this post was implying that OBS decided to "collaborate" by relenting to huge wads of money and giving up their name. Which would've been a huge shame to open source software. Glad stuff worked out.
There was a few other things that tied in to the anger. It turned out Streamlabs had released a series of products that each exactly mirrored the functionality of other popular projects, including in one case stealing the entire product page (including user reviews) and replacing the product name with the Streamlabs version. Just a long series of exceedingly blatant copying and theft.
Somewhat tangential to this post but I'm happy that OBS is open source and it's established. It's up there with blender as quality open source tools that are rapidly reaching mainstream acceptance.
Agreed. In terms of streaming on Twitch, YouTube, or elsewhere, and even for things like budget live production and screen recording, it has become more or less the standard by which other tools are measured.
- Photoshop CS2 is abandonware, can't activate it anymore, Adobe doesn't care and runs perfectly with Wine. Heck I tried it with Bottles [0] and it's so simple. And much better than GIMP/Glimpse
As far as I can tell, the only reason for the Glimpse fork to exist is to make the name less 'inoffensive'. All they did was search and replace 'gimp' across the codebase. It certainly is not the continuation of the GIMP project.
Hm, the glimpse website bills it mostly as a UI upgrade, though as far as I can tell the UI hasn't actually been updated. Didn't realize they did it due to being up in arms about the GIMP name which seems silly.
The Glimpse project started out as a less offensive fork but was planned to evolve into a rewrite project bringing GIMP level photo-editing to GTK3 but the devs got hit hard by the pandemic and it got put on hold indefinitely.
As the project lead for another "significant" open source media app, Ardour, I want to note how incredibly impressed I am by OBS. The program itself and the extent of it being "the standard" for what it does are unmatched, even by Blender. Every time I use it (not daily but weekly-ish) it reminds me how impressive it really is. I'm not deep into the OBS community, but from the outside, it's also impressive how the application is not obviously surrounded by endless wasted rants about its appearance, which is very out of step with contemporary GUI design, yet remains highly functional.
They've copied source code from other small indie alert developers I know a guy who showed me proof they copied their code line from line pre-acquisition, bugs included...
I really hope Streamlabs paid a ton of money for this "cooperation", but from the wording, I doubt they did (since otherwise they'd be listed as a sponsor, etc, etc).
Which... I'm not sure why the OBS team would do this. Streamlabs has been acting in bad faith for years. They've done very little work that's applicable to OBS at all, unless OBS wants to rewrite their front end using Chromium. What good does this do the OBS project? Streamlabs gets to look "good", and OBS gets... absolutely nothing?
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 84.2 ms ] threadAlthough Streamlabs violated the trademark instead of the GPL, so somewhat different issues.
The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29249766
Well. Kinda. They gave a "yearly" contribution of $50,000 once in 2019, then never again. Also that was before Logitech bought Streamlabs.
On OBS github, contributors asked SLOBS to stop doing that, and Streamlabs declined.
Streamer community outrage ensued via Twitter. Large exodus of SLOBS users to OBS. Streamlabs publicly apologized a few days later, and renamed Streamlabs OBS to Streamlabs Studio.
Ah that is a good outcome. I pessimistically thought this post was implying that OBS decided to "collaborate" by relenting to huge wads of money and giving up their name. Which would've been a huge shame to open source software. Glad stuff worked out.
Unfortunately it's been used against GPL.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29592103
Man, we actually have a ton of good software out there I'm now realizing.
Easy to take for granted.
- Photoshop CS2 is abandonware, can't activate it anymore, Adobe doesn't care and runs perfectly with Wine. Heck I tried it with Bottles [0] and it's so simple. And much better than GIMP/Glimpse
0, https://usebottles.com/
https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse
They're villains
don't call people liars without checking, especially when they're saying "this group did more of the same." it's trivially easy to find examples.
Here's lightstream getting super ripped off:
https://twitter.com/Lightstream/status/1460709404609757185?r...
Here's it happening to Elgato too
https://twitter.com/elgato/status/1460722403261046789
And warpworld
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/qvzfu8/stre...
Here's where they sign you up to $6/mo subscriptions without your permission or consent
https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/pzgi4o/streamlabs_i...
They're buried in BBB complaints about fraudulent transactions
https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/san-francisco/profile/marketing-so...
Which... I'm not sure why the OBS team would do this. Streamlabs has been acting in bad faith for years. They've done very little work that's applicable to OBS at all, unless OBS wants to rewrite their front end using Chromium. What good does this do the OBS project? Streamlabs gets to look "good", and OBS gets... absolutely nothing?