Ask HN: Has remote work made you move to a new location or consider it?
I live in a city and used to have a daily commute to the office. The pandemic changed all that. The switch to remote work made me contemplate a move to a quieter location, closer to the countryside. I haven't moved though because my parents live nearby and are quite frail. It's more important to me that I remain living close to them.
Who has made a move to a new location due to remote working? Who has considered it?
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[ 3.7 ms ] story [ 228 ms ] threadI didn’t like WFH at first to be honest. But I’ve grown used to it and appreciate the flexibility especially with kids.
Being far from family hurts a bit; covid didn't help either.
I've been here for about 3 years now and can't imagine ever moving back. The snow / crappy weather, the slow progress on building up downtown / the waterfront, the super high taxes, no beaches, no sun, etc...
(edit - lived in Buffalo since I was born + 38 years)
It's December 29th. I'm in a t-shirt, shorts, and flip flops. Saturday we'll be going to Clearwater Beach and setting off fireworks for NYE.
Completely different way / quality of living. Show birds don't know how to drive and beaches this time of year are packed with tourists but I'll take that any day over the dark and gloomy almost year round weather. We're right in the middle; 1.5 hours to Orlando, 3 hours to FT Lauderdale, 4 hours to Miami, 7 hours to Key West. Still have yet to explore 1/4 of this state.
I love it here.
I lived there a number of years ago and split my time in a tech job 2 to 3 days a week in the office and the remainder back home working remotely. It was a struggle - Slack etc wasn’t a thing at that point and the communication was always strained while I was remote. I realised at some point that being remote was going to be career limiting and relocated close to a city with a large tech scene here in the UK. I didn’t resent the move as such, but I’d always missed being in the countryside and the town I’d adopted as home.
Now with the tech scene (certainly here in the UK) having embraced remote working on what appears to be a permanent basis I’m taking the opportunity to move back there and work mostly remotely. Luckily the company I work for has a great approach to this and there doesn’t seem any shortage of other tech companies offering it too. Of course there is always the risk that this will be limiting in the long run, but it feels like the current outlook is on the side of taking that risk. I realised over COVID lockdowns how much I missed living there, so I’ve decided it’s an important move for me personally.
COVID has been awful in so many ways, but a positive coming out of it is the way it has forced some realisations about how we work. For me the realisation has been that it isn’t about having a certain number of days or fixed times in the office - I think this is pretty old fashioned thinking. But instead committing to getting together in person with colleagues and clients for the right activities, where it really adds value.
OP: you should stay near your parents as they sound important to you. You’re not missing out. I’d say look for ways to benefit.
You've got me a little curious now. Any additional details you'd care to share?
If you live in a city and all you do there is go to work, you’re kinda missing the point imho because you could do that much cheaper elsewhere.
We stayed there from June to October, and after going home to DC for a spell came back to the Cape for Thanksgiving and then again for some long stretches in '21, including during the winter. It has been a great retreat from the city during these pandemic years.
My partner has an aunt and uncle who have lived year round in the same town on the Cape for something like 30 years. I also have an aunt who has lived there year round with her family for a similar amount of time in the neighboring town. I grew up visiting the Cape most summers and always loved it, but only ever thought of it as a summer place.
I've always thought of myself as a city person, but now we're planning to buy in one of these towns and move there permanently. I couldn't be more excited.
The company I work for has been very progressive in our work model over the past year and a half, and we've now gone fully distributed -- I plan to work remote forever.
The main challenge for us now is that the housing market on the Cape is a mess. In '20 prices skyrocketed. By '21 demand had cooled somewhat, but there has been no inventory. We'll see what things look like come this spring. Fortunately we can temporarily live in our family's houses while we search and prepare to sell or lease our condo here in DC.
At the moment I am mostly stationary but I still have projects and/or goals in at least 4 different countries.
You can apply for residency in places like Mexico which require very little physical presence to maintain/renew a visa for the first few years. After 3 years (I think) you have to live there for the last 18 months before applying for citizenship.
Chile is the opposite in where you must spend the first 18 months in the country but after that you only really need to be there once a year.
Other countries have generous tourist visas like Turkey. If you rent an apartment for one year in Turkey (anywhere, for any price) you can get a 1 year tourist visa.
Wikipedia has a list of all countries visa policies as well. You could find out about where you are allowed to stay for longer than 90 days somewhere by searching for "visa policy of $COUNTRY".
Then there are places offering visas for remote workers but requires you to live there for at least 6 months of the year (making you a tax resident of that country). This includes places like Portugal, Estonia, Georgia, and the UAE.
I believe in Georgia and the UAE they will not charge income tax for the first year as well but I may be wrong.
If you have deeper pockets there are Golden Visa programs for places like Portugal, Greece, Malta, Cyprus (might be wrong on this one), New Zealand, Georgia, Montenegro, and many Caribbean nations.
Lastly, most every country in the world has some sort of business owners or startup visa. If you're entrepeneurially minded and have sufficient startup capital, you can get a visa pretty much anywhere in the world.
EDIT: I use travelingmailbox.com for snail mail and OpenPhone to maintain US-based communication for whatever reason.
Working on tourist visas isn’t legal in 99% of places and doesn’t satisfy tax authorities in Canada.
As my live situation changes over time I will continuously revise my/our priorities and thus place to live, but for now I'm happy where I am.
So the permanent home wont change for a while likely, but unlike pre-pandemic I spend days or weeks at the time on the countryside working from there and from some point on next year I want to spent more time, couple months per year, back in Europe to be closer with family/friends and some aspects of European culture I miss. New work policies definitely make this plan easier. But if I'm committed I would find a way to do this pandemic changes or not.
However it’s a bit daunting to get an office or an extra bedroom there at my own expense. I’m not sure I’m up for working from my living room or bedroom.
Brooklyn is lame.
I tried to break my lower Manhattanite molding and stayed over in that part of Brooklyn for a month. I was even around some of those hardcore Brooklyners who would protest the idea of any event in Manhattan, and then every event they took me too was a lamer version of Manhattan. Or they wanted to go to Brooklyn Mirage every day. I had some other crews but its not for me. The biggest irony to me was that everything people in Brooklyn complained about, regarding Brooklyn, were the same things people in Manhattan complained about regarding Brooklyn. So I’m really turned off by collective delusion places especially when my luxury apartment dwelling friends have a choice in the matter.
The neighborhoods are nice, and the newer rooftops are mind blowing. But the classic circuit in Manhattan is for me. East Village, LES, Soho, Tribeca, Washington Square, West Village, Meatpacking.
Back in the attractive-because-its-gentrified part of Brooklyn:
Greenpoint? I dont get it. Every time you wanna go out its just walking further to Williamsburg or taking a convoluted path to Queens or Manhattan, and some really scary roads for bike/scooter.
Williamsburg? I’ll stick with visiting.
Fort Greene/Prospect Park? Beautiful, neighborly, I wish it was geographically close to other things like surrounded by Manhattan. But apparently I missed some action in downtown Brooklyn that none of my current friends do.
I’m not going to lie, it was a pretty eye opening experience going from the Bay Area to a small town. The pace was more calm and I realized I could still get access to 80% of what I had in the Bay Area. Walking by the lake and having people say “good evening” was a nice change. Being able to drive 10 min and be in the middle of nature was great.
I eventually returned to SF, and I’m not sure right now in my life is a good time for a permanent move, but it certainly had its appeal.
I feel like a mid-sized town - has most amenities, some places to splurge and access to an airport would be ideal - the best trade off between what SF offers and what smaller towns offer.
I think the problem is the travel disruption has reall LT thrown things off. If I were to be stuck for 12 months in one place, I’d take SF (or another big city). If I knew I could easily jump on a cheap flight, the smaller cities start to seem much more appealing.
Also, might just have been the places I lived but I missed having peer in tech or who were similar. Just not interested in hunting and sports,
But the tech things rings true. However, my only counter is that having a strong community that has nothing to do with work is pretty cool too.
White is not a culture. Skin colour is orthogonal with cultural diversity.
Amsterdam is also 80-90% white but is incredibly diverse with all sorts of people from all sorts of places and backgrounds.
Let me refine by saying my neighborhood in SF is 90% white, Democrat voting, can’t-get-off-the-hedonistic-treadmill culture, love to talk about progressive ideals while voting for restrictive policies that hurt residents.
I lived in a swing state a long time ago and it was actually nice interacting with people from a lot of different backgrounds, none of which dominated the culture. You could go to a rave with some anarchist one weekend and go deer hunting with an evangelical Christian the next.
This has been closer to my experience in most cities that aren’t SF, NYC, or a few other notable outliers. SF / Bay Area is fun in some ways but it’s very much a weird bubble