Ask HN: Has remote work made you move to a new location or consider it?

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I live in a city and used to have a daily commute to the office. The pandemic changed all that. The switch to remote work made me contemplate a move to a quieter location, closer to the countryside. I haven't moved though because my parents live nearby and are quite frail. It's more important to me that I remain living close to them.

Who has made a move to a new location due to remote working? Who has considered it?

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I regret not moving immediately. Our home is not suitable for this occupation (hehe)
Yes, my partner and I switched to remote work in 2016. Since then we stopped living in cities and started living part of the year at the beach and part of the year next to a lake near a national park. We spend a few months a year in the city to catch up with people and soak in the cultural vibes. Most of the time we are near family.
I would love to move. My wife doesn't.
This is the truth and most disappointing part. I can now live anywhere but wife likes big cities, and best school districts are usually cities.
Same here, I personally can move anywhere in the world. But restriction come from wife.
In my experience, the best school districts are the affluent suburbs just outside the big cities.
Yes, but to be closer to my parents, and to nature.

I didn’t like WFH at first to be honest. But I’ve grown used to it and appreciate the flexibility especially with kids.

Originally joined a company with an office in the capital, but due to the pandemic they committed to remote first from now on. I’ve now moved to a city on the coast with 70k people (capital had almost 2 million), and it is a 30 min train ride to the capital. Cost of living is roughly only 10% cheaper but the pace and apparent quality of life is much improved.
Yes, moved from SF North Bay / wine country to Buffalo NY to be closer to extended family, lower cost of living. I miss wine country, but it's been a good move. My company is based in EST so it's easier. I worry a bit about next job but it'll be OK I suspect. I work in IT management and software development in the past. It's no easy choice, but since we had kids the family factor won out.
I moved from Buffalo, NY to just outside of Tampa, FL lol...

Being far from family hurts a bit; covid didn't help either.

I've been here for about 3 years now and can't imagine ever moving back. The snow / crappy weather, the slow progress on building up downtown / the waterfront, the super high taxes, no beaches, no sun, etc...

(edit - lived in Buffalo since I was born + 38 years)

It's December 29th. I'm in a t-shirt, shorts, and flip flops. Saturday we'll be going to Clearwater Beach and setting off fireworks for NYE.

Completely different way / quality of living. Show birds don't know how to drive and beaches this time of year are packed with tourists but I'll take that any day over the dark and gloomy almost year round weather. We're right in the middle; 1.5 hours to Orlando, 3 hours to FT Lauderdale, 4 hours to Miami, 7 hours to Key West. Still have yet to explore 1/4 of this state.

I love it here.

I spent the past 2 months in the Tampa area. I was really pleasantly surprised. There are so many nice little communities in the area.
Already live in the midwest but remote work has allowed me to apply and interview for much higher-paying jobs at FAANG companies
Exact same here. I joined a FAANG 6 months ago. Good luck with interviews!
I’m in the process of moving (back) to a countryside location.

I lived there a number of years ago and split my time in a tech job 2 to 3 days a week in the office and the remainder back home working remotely. It was a struggle - Slack etc wasn’t a thing at that point and the communication was always strained while I was remote. I realised at some point that being remote was going to be career limiting and relocated close to a city with a large tech scene here in the UK. I didn’t resent the move as such, but I’d always missed being in the countryside and the town I’d adopted as home.

Now with the tech scene (certainly here in the UK) having embraced remote working on what appears to be a permanent basis I’m taking the opportunity to move back there and work mostly remotely. Luckily the company I work for has a great approach to this and there doesn’t seem any shortage of other tech companies offering it too. Of course there is always the risk that this will be limiting in the long run, but it feels like the current outlook is on the side of taking that risk. I realised over COVID lockdowns how much I missed living there, so I’ve decided it’s an important move for me personally.

COVID has been awful in so many ways, but a positive coming out of it is the way it has forced some realisations about how we work. For me the realisation has been that it isn’t about having a certain number of days or fixed times in the office - I think this is pretty old fashioned thinking. But instead committing to getting together in person with colleagues and clients for the right activities, where it really adds value.

Would be interested to hear where you are moving to and where else you maybe considered moving to, I’m in a similar situation in the UK at the moment too.
I work somewhere WFH doesn’t make much sense and watching as most of my coworkers fight against management on coming back. It’s more than a little weird to be on the sidelines on this.

OP: you should stay near your parents as they sound important to you. You’re not missing out. I’d say look for ways to benefit.

> I work somewhere WFH doesn’t make much sense and watching as most of my coworkers fight against management on coming back. It’s more than a little weird to be on the sidelines on this.

You've got me a little curious now. Any additional details you'd care to share?

No, there are plenty of other reasons to stay in a city other than work. Culture, nightlife, friends for example.

If you live in a city and all you do there is go to work, you’re kinda missing the point imho because you could do that much cheaper elsewhere.

I'd love too. Ideally I'd leave the UK entirely if I could. I need to finish my probation and see from there...
After my company went remote, my life partner and I had the fortune in spring of 2020 to be able to temporarily relocate from our 1BR condo in Washington, DC to her family's "summer" house on Cape Cod in Massachusetts (USA). Typically the house is shared among their extended family and different groups reserve it for a week or two each in the summer, but in '20 it was limited to my partner and her three siblings and their partners.

We stayed there from June to October, and after going home to DC for a spell came back to the Cape for Thanksgiving and then again for some long stretches in '21, including during the winter. It has been a great retreat from the city during these pandemic years.

My partner has an aunt and uncle who have lived year round in the same town on the Cape for something like 30 years. I also have an aunt who has lived there year round with her family for a similar amount of time in the neighboring town. I grew up visiting the Cape most summers and always loved it, but only ever thought of it as a summer place.

I've always thought of myself as a city person, but now we're planning to buy in one of these towns and move there permanently. I couldn't be more excited.

The company I work for has been very progressive in our work model over the past year and a half, and we've now gone fully distributed -- I plan to work remote forever.

The main challenge for us now is that the housing market on the Cape is a mess. In '20 prices skyrocketed. By '21 demand had cooled somewhat, but there has been no inventory. We'll see what things look like come this spring. Fortunately we can temporarily live in our family's houses while we search and prepare to sell or lease our condo here in DC.

I left the US ~5 years ago after getting a fully remote position. I'd probably quit if they ever told me I had to come back. I miss family and old friends of course but I can't deny that I live a significantly better life now. It's one of the best decisions I've ever made.
Are you bouncing between countries as your tourist visa expires in each place, or are you a citizen of somewhere other than the US?
Pre-covid I bounced but also set myself up to have relatively stable home bases. This includes resident visas in countries that do not require me to spend a lot of time in those specific countries and international real estate.

At the moment I am mostly stationary but I still have projects and/or goals in at least 4 different countries.

Where is your base? Any recommendations for setting up this arrangement?
It's been a few years since I've seriously looked into some of these places so things may have changed or I am not remembering 100% correctly. Also, some countries listed below require a certain level of passive income as well but I'm not 100% sure which ones.

You can apply for residency in places like Mexico which require very little physical presence to maintain/renew a visa for the first few years. After 3 years (I think) you have to live there for the last 18 months before applying for citizenship.

Chile is the opposite in where you must spend the first 18 months in the country but after that you only really need to be there once a year.

Other countries have generous tourist visas like Turkey. If you rent an apartment for one year in Turkey (anywhere, for any price) you can get a 1 year tourist visa.

Wikipedia has a list of all countries visa policies as well. You could find out about where you are allowed to stay for longer than 90 days somewhere by searching for "visa policy of $COUNTRY".

Then there are places offering visas for remote workers but requires you to live there for at least 6 months of the year (making you a tax resident of that country). This includes places like Portugal, Estonia, Georgia, and the UAE.

I believe in Georgia and the UAE they will not charge income tax for the first year as well but I may be wrong.

If you have deeper pockets there are Golden Visa programs for places like Portugal, Greece, Malta, Cyprus (might be wrong on this one), New Zealand, Georgia, Montenegro, and many Caribbean nations.

Lastly, most every country in the world has some sort of business owners or startup visa. If you're entrepeneurially minded and have sufficient startup capital, you can get a visa pretty much anywhere in the world.

EDIT: I use travelingmailbox.com for snail mail and OpenPhone to maintain US-based communication for whatever reason.

Great summary and a wonderful starting point!
I looked into this at my last job but it’s difficult to get the tax benefits if you can’t establish legal residency elsewhere.

Working on tourist visas isn’t legal in 99% of places and doesn’t satisfy tax authorities in Canada.

I live in a remote area of Pakistan, a very beautiful place 100000% opposite of main Pakistan. I work for a US based company from here. The biggest expense is internet (200 USD per month sett-lite based internet). All others are home grown like fruits, vegetable, flour, egg, meat. I will not move to any other place permanently. However travel Dubai, Turkey and Thailand once in a year to grab beer! I love this rhythm of WFH.
You're basically living my dream. Do you ever travel to US for work?
Never been to USA, however will surely travel there someday.
I work with someone in your exact situation on my remote team. The time zone difference is challenging but we’ve made it work and he is a very bright developer who I find invaluable to our team. I asked him one day if he ever wanted to move to America or Canada and his answer was the same as yours. It’s always interesting to get takes from outside of your cultural bubble. I am very happy where I am but I would be lying if I said your situation is not appealing to me (even if only for a little while).
No. I have chosen the big city (Bogotá, Colombia) and neighbourhood I want to live independently from any employer, so there is no reason to change just because of remote work. For the time being I can't imagine myself living on the countryside or even suburbs.

As my live situation changes over time I will continuously revise my/our priorities and thus place to live, but for now I'm happy where I am.

So the permanent home wont change for a while likely, but unlike pre-pandemic I spend days or weeks at the time on the countryside working from there and from some point on next year I want to spent more time, couple months per year, back in Europe to be closer with family/friends and some aspects of European culture I miss. New work policies definitely make this plan easier. But if I'm committed I would find a way to do this pandemic changes or not.

I am strongly considering Manhattan. The cost of living is similar to SF but the urban amenities and energy are on a whole other level.

However it’s a bit daunting to get an office or an extra bedroom there at my own expense. I’m not sure I’m up for working from my living room or bedroom.

I did this move right when the boosters were rolling out and got a relatively good deal on a two bedroom apartment near midtown. It was the best choice I’ve ever made! I never felt like I belonged in SF, but in New York you can be who you want to be.
live in Williamsburg, not Manhattan. everyone moves to Manhattan for a few years, realizes it's not worth it, and moves to Williamsburg. Skip the first phase.
I lived in Manhattan the whole time I lived in New York, despite most of my friends living in Brooklyn.

Brooklyn is lame.

That advice made sense 10 years ago when Williamsburg was cheaper. Now it's the same price and less convenient. I love Manhattan
Anything in Brooklyn is less convenient.

I tried to break my lower Manhattanite molding and stayed over in that part of Brooklyn for a month. I was even around some of those hardcore Brooklyners who would protest the idea of any event in Manhattan, and then every event they took me too was a lamer version of Manhattan. Or they wanted to go to Brooklyn Mirage every day. I had some other crews but its not for me. The biggest irony to me was that everything people in Brooklyn complained about, regarding Brooklyn, were the same things people in Manhattan complained about regarding Brooklyn. So I’m really turned off by collective delusion places especially when my luxury apartment dwelling friends have a choice in the matter.

The neighborhoods are nice, and the newer rooftops are mind blowing. But the classic circuit in Manhattan is for me. East Village, LES, Soho, Tribeca, Washington Square, West Village, Meatpacking.

Back in the attractive-because-its-gentrified part of Brooklyn:

Greenpoint? I dont get it. Every time you wanna go out its just walking further to Williamsburg or taking a convoluted path to Queens or Manhattan, and some really scary roads for bike/scooter.

Williamsburg? I’ll stick with visiting.

Fort Greene/Prospect Park? Beautiful, neighborly, I wish it was geographically close to other things like surrounded by Manhattan. But apparently I missed some action in downtown Brooklyn that none of my current friends do.

I have considered it and can imagine myself moving for short bursts to different parts of the country. I have cats, so I can't go full nomad and don't want to uproot them too much, but I can totally imagine moving between a couple of locations 1-2 times a year if my partner and I felt like it. It just feels so freeing to have the option, even if I don't end up doing it.
Cats are what's keeping me from going full nomad as well. Going away for a week or two works with having someone coming over to feed them, but leaving them alone for longer than that would make me feel bad for them. I'm considering moving them to my parents and going full nomad for a year or two.
I moved to a cheaper, more remote area. But as a single person, I feel more isolated here and I'm now considering moving again. I don't want to start paying silly money to live close to work again, though (nor do I want to commute).
I moved from Sydney, Australia to France (same company, different team) - has been hard adjusting to a new culture and new team at the same time, but now I've got access to interviewing with companies on this side of the world, which is nice.
I didn’t permanently move, but took advantage of WFH to spend 9 month closer to family in Eastern WA/Idaho.

I’m not going to lie, it was a pretty eye opening experience going from the Bay Area to a small town. The pace was more calm and I realized I could still get access to 80% of what I had in the Bay Area. Walking by the lake and having people say “good evening” was a nice change. Being able to drive 10 min and be in the middle of nature was great.

I eventually returned to SF, and I’m not sure right now in my life is a good time for a permanent move, but it certainly had its appeal.

I feel like a mid-sized town - has most amenities, some places to splurge and access to an airport would be ideal - the best trade off between what SF offers and what smaller towns offer.

I think the problem is the travel disruption has reall LT thrown things off. If I were to be stuck for 12 months in one place, I’d take SF (or another big city). If I knew I could easily jump on a cheap flight, the smaller cities start to seem much more appealing.

I've lived in those areas before and have considered going back. Probably my main consideration is lack of cultural diversity. Not just for personal enjoyment but I want to raise my family where they can grow up with people of diverse backgrounds.

Also, might just have been the places I lived but I missed having peer in tech or who were similar. Just not interested in hunting and sports,

I get the diversity thing but depending on the small town you can get more than SF some times. My neighborhood in SF is 90% white.

But the tech things rings true. However, my only counter is that having a strong community that has nothing to do with work is pretty cool too.

> My neighborhood in SF is 90% white

White is not a culture. Skin colour is orthogonal with cultural diversity.

Amsterdam is also 80-90% white but is incredibly diverse with all sorts of people from all sorts of places and backgrounds.

It's a bit facetious to say that when most white people in America are "American" culturally which is quite clearly what they meant.
That sounds like you're implying that black Americans aren't actually American.
That you read that into it says more about you than it does me given that I’m not American…
Point taken.

Let me refine by saying my neighborhood in SF is 90% white, Democrat voting, can’t-get-off-the-hedonistic-treadmill culture, love to talk about progressive ideals while voting for restrictive policies that hurt residents.

I lived in a swing state a long time ago and it was actually nice interacting with people from a lot of different backgrounds, none of which dominated the culture. You could go to a rave with some anarchist one weekend and go deer hunting with an evangelical Christian the next.

> The pace was more calm and I realized I could still get access to 80% of what I had in the Bay Area. Walking by the lake and having people say “good evening” was a nice change. Being able to drive 10 min and be in the middle of nature was great.

This has been closer to my experience in most cities that aren’t SF, NYC, or a few other notable outliers. SF / Bay Area is fun in some ways but it’s very much a weird bubble

I moved from DC to Vermont about 15 years ago. I lost the job I had when I first moved when they eliminated remote work and I refused to move back, and for a while I struggled a bit to find remote work. Ultimately I found a local job which I love and I loved walking in to work every day in all weather, about 2.5 miles. Then COVID struck and the company went remote and has decided to stay remote. As it grows its workforce is ever more dispersed (we intend to stop growing in the near future to preserve the character of the company). I have never regretted my decision. I make much more use of the opportunities the country provides than I did of the opportunities in the city. Also, the rest of the members of my immediate family, and much of my extended family, have made the same decision, so I now live closer to them.
I've thought about it but I end up discarding the idea because even if I move, if I want to get another job I'd have to move back to increase my chances to get another job, due to the way the job market works here.
Yes, just before the pandemic we moved from a major city out to a rural, mountainous area. The area we moved to is much quieter and more full of nature, and yet we can somehow get fiber/gigabit internet while we could only get cable in the city. I hope to never have to go back. I don't miss the traffic or airplanes or crime. I do miss some of the entertainment opportunities, but it's only 2 hours to the city and there are plenty of outdoor activities to do now. My biggest complaint is lack of good restaurants, though this has prompted us to learn to cook better.
Willing to share where there is fast internet in an mountainous area?