Ask HN: What do you do with your older hardware?

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I have a 2010 Mac mini which I used to use for streaming but it has been retired over Christmas. It's a bit slower video wise so while I could use it for Linux I have other HW. It will probably end up in a cupboard but what other options are there for it? What do HN folks do with their retired hardware?

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I turned a 4gb lenovo pad into a ubuntu box to learn spark a while ago. Didn't get very far but the exp was good.

I also have a powerbook that I purchased from ebay but running xcode seems to be too slow so not sure what to do.

When I was in college I remember some fellow students being overjoyed to find quality older hardware on Offerup, in order to keep up with the schoolwork we were learning, and practice on their own.

I personally find that Mac hardware holds its utility far beyond its value, and that's even recognizing that most Mac products hold value in the second-hand market.

I saw a Mac Pro 5.1 ( same generation as your mini ) on craigslist recently, refurbished, but selling for four figures.

> I personally find that Mac hardware holds its utility far beyond its value

I've often seen broken Macbooks and iMacs (mostly issues with screen or hinges) in the hackerspaces i've visited. Maybe it's a selection bias where the functioning hardware is resold not donated, but it doesn't exactly inspire me confidence.

It's not specific to Apple though, modern day Thinkpads are just as "bad" (but the older IBM ones will probably outlive us all).

its getting pretty hard to run OSX that far back. does anyone have any recommendations for an open operating system to put on them? freebsd used to work ok, but the page that tracks it hasn't been updated in a decade.
I have Ubuntu running on a 12 year old MacBook Air. everything works, webcam included, although it's a bit of a pain to get it going, you have to extract a key from m the hardware and compile a binary after setting it in the source.
I was just looking into this today, and I found that https://elementary.io/ is the most popular Mac OS lookalike. It's based on Ubuntu under the hood, but I need the look and feel to be similar to what the users are familiar with.

I haven't installed/tried yet, but it looks promising. I can report updates here if you're interested.

Once I no longer need my computer I try to donate it to someone. There are some charities that will fix/upgrade them and give them to someone else.

I like the reuse concept (as a general rule I buy refurbished equipment when ever I can) so if you don't need it any longer, maybe someone else would find it useful?

Do you securely wipe the hard drive before donating?
Yes, I do. I use some safe delete method (built in OS commands, wipe from BIOS, DBAN, etc.) depending on the OS and hard disk type that I was running on the computer.
I have an old desktop in my basement that I use as a server (web, database, NAS, music, pihole). After that, I try to find someone I know who could use old but working parts and systems and give it to them; otherwise I drop off at second-hand charity stores.
Recycle it. The cost decline and power curve doesn’t make sense to keep antiques.
I have a whole shelf of broken laptops, obsolete monitors, junked hard drives, etc, that will probably still be there when I die and my heirs have to clean out my house.
That's a waste. Just take a few pictures and put it on Ebay or some local equivalent.
Same, though every year I'm able to part with some of the truly dead pieces of equipment at the recycling center. Those old hard drives pile up, though. But now I've got half a dozen broken laptops—which have awesome screens that I wish I could use.
I had about 30 dead hard drives so I eventually got round to drilling half a dozen 0.5" holes in each then tossing. I think that got me over my paranoia phase dating back to the 1990s.
Piggybacking on this, but what's everyone doing with their 3g phones? My family has like 5 of them that will supposedly no longer have service in '22. Can we donate these somewhere? The newer ones can still install android apps, send and receive email, etc. I thought about donating them to a shelter but I'm not sure if they'd have a use for them.
I'm thinking of turning my old phones into webcams
I'm using an old Android phone (Moto X) as a "two-factor security dongle", i.e. I have the M$ Authenticator app installed on it for VPN and Exchange access from home office - unlike my "regular" mobile phone, which I may forget to take with me while I'm at home, it's on my desk the whole time...
Just throw them on eBay and some intelligent broker will harvest them for parts or ship them off to the part of the world that still uses 3G and values them the most.
> Piggybacking on this, but what's everyone doing with their 3g phones? My family has like 5 of them that will supposedly no longer have service in '22. Can we donate these somewhere? The newer ones can still install android apps, send and receive email, etc. I thought about donating them to a shelter but I'm not sure if they'd have a use for them.

What would a homeless person do with a phone that can't connect to a cellular network?

Obsolete tech eventually becomes practically useless, even if it "still works." At this point, I'd say 3G phones are a (very small) white elephant, mainly only useful for weird hobbyist stuff or quirky retrocomputing.

I knew a refugee who was given a 68k Mac laptop in about 2003, it was more of a burden than anything. It was impossible to get online with anything close to a then-modern browser (IIRC, too little memory). It made a lot more sense for him to just use one of the computer labs.

Download a bunch of MP3s that you don't like, get cheap long USB cords, and set them up as programmable musical alarm clocks.

(Why music that you don't like? Because any music that forces you to wake up will eventually become music you don't like.)

I run iPfire on an old MacBook for home network security, ad filteting, etc. Been really happy with the results.
I offer old hardware to local charities that reuse/recycle it, or on a “buy nothing” Facebook group where people will almost always take it and (hopefully) make better use of it than I will.
My older stuff got turned into TV PCs. I pair them up with a Logitech K400 wireless keyboard and just run Chrome or Firefox on them. Each tab is a different streaming service, plex or youtube. I could use Chromecast or FireTV, but they feel like less freedom than just running a browser.
1. The same thing we do with Raspberry Pi's

2. Retro gaming / retro development, which given the age of something often means C or C++.

3. If things are really broken, e-waste is probably the only option.

I eBay them, even if I get basically nothing for the sale. If someone else wants it, they're using it for something.

The last thing I want is to be an accumulator of stuff, so ending up in a cupboard is not an option.

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Building servers or gifting working parts away to community/friends etc.
I've taken my stack of old laptops and created a microk8s cluster out of them for the purpose of self-hosting random stuff.
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Are you hosting stuff that you can access from outside of your local network? I was always a bit concerned about allowing outside traffic since I don't feel like managing security.
I have a frankencloud of old re-purposed laptops that have become firewalls, storage servers, build servers, and VM hosts to run scripts and bits of automation.

I donate excess computers I don't need anymore that are in serviceable condition to local charities: there are lots of under-served communities that need laptops and routers and modems in this day and age with remote learning during lockdowns, etc.

The rest I try to tear down for useable parts (to keep the frankencloud running) and the rest I recycle as best I can.

To be fully honest... I recycle them if none of the family wants.

My family's previous retired laptops were 2 old HP Core i3 4th gen models. With 1366x768 15" screens, one of which was cracked. One would blue-screened randomly after a few hours even with a OS reinstall. I stripped them down and sold the motherboard and RAM of the non-blue-screening one on eBay and made about $80.

The rest was recycled because, what would I do with them? If I wanted a Plex server, a Raspberry Pi 4 is powerful enough for most things that don't need transcoding, and consumes far less power and physical space (laptop motherboards are not very space efficient for a server unless you got a super long and thin case for them).

Not a functional advice (my old laptops still all serve the same function), but:

I'm using Apple since 2014 and realised I've gathered quite stack of old Macs (one Macbook Air, one MBP and one iMac). I've installed Linux in all of them for the heck of it and its quite a welcome break for macOS.

I try use the old Macbook Air only as a thin client (tiling window manager and most TUI applications for IRC, email, coding, remote admin, etc).

In Texas (dunno about elsewhere), Goodwill has "Computer Works" stores that take older equipment in working or mostly-working condition. They assemble systems from donated components and sell them for pretty good prices. Behind the scenes, I gather it's a training opportunity. What can't be fixed or cobbled together and sold, gets donated onward, recycled, or disposed. I take all my old systems there, and I check in the shop from time to time. I've picked up all kinds of stuff... full-size racks, HP servers, oddball adapter cards, vintage stuff.
If there's nothing worse selling inside it, I'll just use the hard drive for storage or try out attacks on it
I sell them or give them away on website, https://www.finn.no/, a bit like Ebay.

Pretty much any functioning laptop will find a buyer if it is capable of running a modern web browser and in many cases there are enthusiasts willing to take hardware that can't even do that.

Over the past couple of years I have sold hundreds of bits of old computers ranging in age from five years old to 25 years old. Everything from ThinkPads to 20 year old power supplies taken from scrapped Compaq desktops and all the components in between including tape drives, DEC terminals, etc.

I also sold a non-functioning Quad 303 power amp for 1000 NOK (112 USD). Could perhaps have got more for it but as it hadn't cost me anything and it had been waiting for repair for over ten years it was a good price.

Someone will want your Mac mini, they just need to be able to find it. Put it on Ebay, Gumtree, Craigslist, Finn.no, or whatever your locality has.

Older laptops I throw Ubuntu LTS on and give to those in need.

Older desktops -- if not noisy gaming PCs -- become servers or get harvested for parts to bolster an existing one, otherwise they get donated or recycled.

Sell it back to Apple, or recycle it through them. They're best placed to recycle it as they know all the components and materials. Anyone else recycling it will probably just ship it to another country to go into landfill.
Their propaganda^W PR fluff about the weight of gold recycled from iPhones has a line that triggered my bullshit alarm: "2204 lbs of gold" [1]. This has been regurgitated by news media[2] as "more than 2204 lbs of gold" without them doing any more fact-checking.

1000 kg is 2204.62262[...] lbs. For them to put the exact number "2204" smells like someone told them "about 1000kg of gold" and whoever wrote that report just converted that to "2204 lbs". And since it's a rounding down, they can claim "More than 2204 lbs". Apple not knowing how significant figures work and giving out a number that was probably a guess to be an exact figure? That's why the alarm I mentioned above got triggered.

[1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/apple-ton-of-gold-recycling_n... has a link to Apple's PDF: http://images.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_... where you can search for "2204".

[2] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+2204+lbs+of+gold

I duck-taped an old iPhone on the wall, to always show the weather app. Always-on, no sleep mode.

It's right next to the wardrobe. Which is pretty useful during the winter in Montreal.