Ask HN: Do 'selfish genes' explain Galapagos birds etc.?

1 points by JoeAltmaier ↗ HN
I understood that extravagant mating displays, which are detrimental to the male in particular (requiring calories, making vulnerable to predators etc) are selected for because they signal to the female that the male is strong enough to survive that handicap.

But isn't it enough that the gene for expressing such elaborate displays is 'selfish'? Consider that a gene that 'wants to be copied' (all genes), if it could signal it's presence and simultaneously cause that signal to trigger mating, would succeed in continuing in the species? In that case mating rituals are not there for any fitness proof, but simply a sort of parasite. A gene that's using an animal for it's own purposes.

How could we even distinguish this sort of parasitic gene, from any other kind of fitness selection? Is there a meaningful difference?

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Genes themselves aren't sentient or self aware, they themselves don't want anything, they can't be described as feeling purpose or direction.

DNA is an inert chemical chain encoded with linear and non linear data which is acted upon and maintained by nano machines manufactured with the instructions it contains, which do you think came first?

Yes I was using anthropomorphic phrasing to describe what are surely statistical arguments only.

That distinction is at the heart of my question in fact. Gene's don't care about the host survivability per se; they are only concerned with the gene's own survival. Thus the question: can courtship displays be considered as important for species selection? Or are they just parasitic gene expression for the statistical advantage of that gene?