I build PHP applications and have yet to use a framework. However, I am greatly considering to start. I was wondering what the general opinions here about using an existing framework.
It does have an issue I find significant, which is the Views being a mix of logic and templating. I find this messy and contrary to the original MVC pattern, since it pushes too much presentation code to the controller (it has to decide what formats to present the data in, for example).
But with KOstache[1], a Kohana module, you get your real Views again, along with logicless maintainable Mustache templates. Win/win.
Existing frameworks remove a lot of the problems that come with attempting to roll your own code all the time. From security to just making things simpler.
I would suggest usually using a framework when you can.
So far we have 1 recommendation to use a framework, and 1 recommendation to use KohanaPHP IF you choose to use a framework. Any other recommendations or thoughts?
I never used to but I tend to for all but the simplest of things these days. I personally use CodeIgniter because I like how it stays out of my way.
Be aware though that CI tends to be looked down upon in a similar way to how PHP itself is. I like it (and it has good docs), but if you use it be prepared to be the lowest of the low :)
I always use either a framework or a CMS that's a framework, like Wordpress with Thematic. Every time I get involved in a project that has no framework (and too low of a budget) I regret it.
I'd definitely recommend CodeIgniter with the Data Mapper ORM, I've tried others (Cake, Zend, etc) and CI seems to be the only one that never over-complicates things.
For me it's about getting shit done, I'm too busy to worry about being looked down on by Zend users :)
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But with KOstache[1], a Kohana module, you get your real Views again, along with logicless maintainable Mustache templates. Win/win.
[1]: https://github.com/zombor/KOstache
I would suggest usually using a framework when you can.
Be aware though that CI tends to be looked down upon in a similar way to how PHP itself is. I like it (and it has good docs), but if you use it be prepared to be the lowest of the low :)
For me it's about getting shit done, I'm too busy to worry about being looked down on by Zend users :)
I used to use codeigniter, but there are too many things that (in my opinion) should be done for you, that you have to do yourself.
Codeigniter is a great first framework also. Much easier to pick up than CakePHP, or Zend.