good argument for keeping the washer and dryer in the garage.
However, these fabrics are shedding lint into the air when worked and worn and out too, to some extent, even if not to the rate and with the spray that agitation and hot air give them.
The obvious solution for maximum health is to wear nothing but animal leather (birthday suits count!) and live outdoors.
So long as those of us in the northern climes' buy a few extra months worth of outfits to run through while we wait for the ice to sublimate out of the last batch during winter.
What's crazy is that there are cities that outright ban outdoor (line) air drying. In my city, they don't actually mention clotheslines, but a former neighbor of mine was given a fine for erecting a 'structure' without a permit, in the form of a single line (on which she hung her laundry) running from the house to the detached garage.
It’s really fast since the air usually has very low humidity.
It’s really efficient since you’re not actively pumping warm air outside, and your furnace is driving the evaporation process (which is likely “high” efficiency).
I don't understand the need for dryers. The houses I've lived in have always had drying racks in the laundry, next to the washing machine and central heating boiler.
Clothes get taken out of the washing machine, hung on the drying rack, and 6-24 hours later they are dry. Works 365 days a year, regardless of weather. Free.
In my current place, the drying racks are wall-mounted and foldable, and push back against the wall when not in use. Previously I've had ceiling mounted ones.
Indoor heating is often gas fired, or worse. This means that any heater that uses a heatpump, which is every dryer nowadays, is going to beat your house heater in terms of efficiency by a factor of 5 or so.
Plus, your house would get humid fast with indoor drying. Around here people don't often have aircos that can dehumidify, so opening the windows is the only solution, reducing efficiency even further. And keeping the moist inside also causes heating costs to go up, since you've just increased the thermal mass of your air. Plus, moist indoor air has adverse health effects of its own. Plus: I'd basically need to reserve a room just for drying.
No, a dryer is on all accounts the better solution.
I agree. I just wanted to mention that expensive air conditioning systems are not needed to make this work. A standalone dehumidifier unit that can cover an entire flat starts at about $170 for the cheaper units, and doesn't require any installation beyond plugging it into a socket. In contrast, AC is usually more involved and expensive.
Literally everyone I knew growing up in Edinburgh dried their clothes indoors. I didn't know anyone with a tumble dryer. Everyone had ceiling mounted clothes drying rails. Nobody had dehumidifiers.
I imagine it would be a bigger problem in a well sealed building. Fortunately most of the houses in Edinburgh are very leaky.
I'm talking about modern, sealed, double-glazed housing.
Older housing was much more permeable, so moisture (and unfortunately heat) could escape to the outside air at will. I'm sure that the cost of running a dehumidifier is at least as low as the cost of running your heating more frequently because of heat loss.
"condenser dryers" have a lint filter which is supposed to collect said microplastics. They also recycle the same air so any fibers not collected by the filter stay inside the machine.
However, despite all that, I still notice more lint in dust around my house in months I use the dryer. I suspect the dryer has a poor seal around the front and back of the drum (the seals are just made of felt, and as heavy clothes bounce around I think they briefly lose contact). That allows steamy linty air to leak into the body of the machine, and eventually escape out of cooling vents.
I too am quite happy to have a noticably less dusty house since I boight a dryer. It's true the lint filter does not seem to catch everything and around the air vent the device gets dusty. Still an improvement over the previous situation.
I like the way they don't even bother to measure the PM2.5 and PM10, the stuff that kills human beings.
Instead it's the stuff the masses masturbates to, homeopathic microfibers which eat at our souls.
Science is broken, they could have tacked the real data on at small cost and have kept their self worth, but they don't even pretend to be real anymore.
Most of the commentary I see focuses exclusively on the technical aspects of drying clothes, heat exchangers, humidity, mould problems but I haven't seen one comment on the labor aspect of it. It takes a significant amount of time to take your clothes out of the washing machine and hang each and every garment either over a drying rack or pin it to a clothes line. Each and every sock, every pair of underwear and a couple of pins for each pair of pants and shirt. Not to mention sheets and towels. That's going to take a significant amount of space with a lot of walking back and forth or constantly moving a basket of heavy wet clothes.
I'm not saying it's a Herculean task but it's going to take time and you'd better to it right. Doing it wrong is a great way to stretch your cloths out and possibly damage them. This is just not the kind of time most people working full time are going to have.
You can leave it out while you're at work but you'll probably only do that until the first time it rains while you're at work and you have to pick up the cloths that blew off and ended up in the dirt and the rest of your clothes are soaked. What about people that live in the city? They don't generally even have a washer and dryer. They'll go to the laundromat. Do you want them to carry the wet heavy cloths home?
My clothes dryer was broken for a time while I waited for a replacement and to install the new one.
In the interim, I replaced the dryer with a chrome (Ikea) shelving unit, a vapour barrier shroud (literally 5mil plastic), and a regular house dehumidifier.
For a full load of towels--or any heavy water absorbing material really--run times were about 2-3-5 hours. Clothing would be brought to the whatever humidity value "Continuous Operation" would cause. In general I assumed that was lower than line drying would cause, but less than line drying with direct sun exposure.
There was some effort involved in sorting clothing onto shelves. But very little real effort. About as quick to shelve and unshelve a full load as... well, doing just that. (10 minutes?)
I would probably avoid this with clothing that rest against high-bacterial load, high-smell areas (armpits, feet). Or more importantly, change my process for washing those items.
It would be a relatively straight-forward process to build a large drum machine based on an industrial dryer barrel, and attach an inline dehumidifier, and then run the drum in an intermittent mix mode.
Maybe this worked for you but this isn't going to work for many people. I'm guessing clothes coming off a chrome shelving unit would look like you put them in a waffle iron. You can buy drying units that use dehumidification. The problem is they take a long time to run and they're expensive and prone to failure. There are more sources of energy than just the electricity that comes out of the wall. How much energy went into creating that heat exchanger? How much energy is going to go into the repairs when the evaporator drain backs up and causes water damage? What about the service on the compressor or a coolant leak?
How many clothes could you possibly get onto an Ikea rack? 10min to rack the shelves but how many racks of cloths? If you were working all day that would be one rack worth per day. Maybe you're doing some sort of minimalist thing but this isn't going to work for a large number of people. There is no way an Ikea rack is going to be able to handle an entire load so you're either leaving most of the cloths in the washing machine wet while you dry each rack or you're running extremely small loads which has its own environmental impact since it's much less efficient than a single large load.
I've seen this a lot with "eco" solutions. When you start counting all the real costs, all of them, like bringing in a plumber because your "eco" solution screwed up the plumbing or to fix the Rube Goldberg machine you've created to save one watt of electricity, or the enormous material costs of your complex solution you find that what you've already got is probably close to the best you can do. I could replace my less than optimal window and it would probably cost me $300 and I doubt I would even see the difference in the heating bill but just consider how much energy it takes to melt glass. I'd be willing to bet it's more energy than will pass through that inefficient window in its entire lifetime.
So this would theoretically be a lot worse for those washing machine + tumbledryer combi machines (1 drum for both functions) since those don't even have a lint filter as such?
The issue here is the plastic fibres being released and spread - a real issue. The lint filter grabs alot of it, but some escape.
Wouldn't these fibres break off anyway? So the problem is plastic and treated clothing releasing poisons. Also we are wearing these poisons.
Thus the problem is the regulation of the clothing industry, and choices we make regarding fashion.
Further, the problem is using poisons to manufacture many if not most of humanities daily goods.
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[ 3.2 ms ] story [ 74.6 ms ] threadHowever, these fabrics are shedding lint into the air when worked and worn and out too, to some extent, even if not to the rate and with the spray that agitation and hot air give them.
The obvious solution for maximum health is to wear nothing but animal leather (birthday suits count!) and live outdoors.
I'm sure we could solve this problem, and scale it, if we could get a good funding round. ;-)
What's crazy is that there are cities that outright ban outdoor (line) air drying. In my city, they don't actually mention clotheslines, but a former neighbor of mine was given a fine for erecting a 'structure' without a permit, in the form of a single line (on which she hung her laundry) running from the house to the detached garage.
It’s really fast since the air usually has very low humidity.
It’s really efficient since you’re not actively pumping warm air outside, and your furnace is driving the evaporation process (which is likely “high” efficiency).
Drying in humid weather is what can take a while.
I don't understand the need for dryers. The houses I've lived in have always had drying racks in the laundry, next to the washing machine and central heating boiler.
Clothes get taken out of the washing machine, hung on the drying rack, and 6-24 hours later they are dry. Works 365 days a year, regardless of weather. Free.
In my current place, the drying racks are wall-mounted and foldable, and push back against the wall when not in use. Previously I've had ceiling mounted ones.
Plus, your house would get humid fast with indoor drying. Around here people don't often have aircos that can dehumidify, so opening the windows is the only solution, reducing efficiency even further. And keeping the moist inside also causes heating costs to go up, since you've just increased the thermal mass of your air. Plus, moist indoor air has adverse health effects of its own. Plus: I'd basically need to reserve a room just for drying.
No, a dryer is on all accounts the better solution.
I imagine it would be a bigger problem in a well sealed building. Fortunately most of the houses in Edinburgh are very leaky.
Older housing was much more permeable, so moisture (and unfortunately heat) could escape to the outside air at will. I'm sure that the cost of running a dehumidifier is at least as low as the cost of running your heating more frequently because of heat loss.
However, despite all that, I still notice more lint in dust around my house in months I use the dryer. I suspect the dryer has a poor seal around the front and back of the drum (the seals are just made of felt, and as heavy clothes bounce around I think they briefly lose contact). That allows steamy linty air to leak into the body of the machine, and eventually escape out of cooling vents.
Instead it's the stuff the masses masturbates to, homeopathic microfibers which eat at our souls.
Science is broken, they could have tacked the real data on at small cost and have kept their self worth, but they don't even pretend to be real anymore.
I'm not saying it's a Herculean task but it's going to take time and you'd better to it right. Doing it wrong is a great way to stretch your cloths out and possibly damage them. This is just not the kind of time most people working full time are going to have.
You can leave it out while you're at work but you'll probably only do that until the first time it rains while you're at work and you have to pick up the cloths that blew off and ended up in the dirt and the rest of your clothes are soaked. What about people that live in the city? They don't generally even have a washer and dryer. They'll go to the laundromat. Do you want them to carry the wet heavy cloths home?
In the interim, I replaced the dryer with a chrome (Ikea) shelving unit, a vapour barrier shroud (literally 5mil plastic), and a regular house dehumidifier.
For a full load of towels--or any heavy water absorbing material really--run times were about 2-3-5 hours. Clothing would be brought to the whatever humidity value "Continuous Operation" would cause. In general I assumed that was lower than line drying would cause, but less than line drying with direct sun exposure.
There was some effort involved in sorting clothing onto shelves. But very little real effort. About as quick to shelve and unshelve a full load as... well, doing just that. (10 minutes?)
I would probably avoid this with clothing that rest against high-bacterial load, high-smell areas (armpits, feet). Or more importantly, change my process for washing those items.
It would be a relatively straight-forward process to build a large drum machine based on an industrial dryer barrel, and attach an inline dehumidifier, and then run the drum in an intermittent mix mode.
How many clothes could you possibly get onto an Ikea rack? 10min to rack the shelves but how many racks of cloths? If you were working all day that would be one rack worth per day. Maybe you're doing some sort of minimalist thing but this isn't going to work for a large number of people. There is no way an Ikea rack is going to be able to handle an entire load so you're either leaving most of the cloths in the washing machine wet while you dry each rack or you're running extremely small loads which has its own environmental impact since it's much less efficient than a single large load.
I've seen this a lot with "eco" solutions. When you start counting all the real costs, all of them, like bringing in a plumber because your "eco" solution screwed up the plumbing or to fix the Rube Goldberg machine you've created to save one watt of electricity, or the enormous material costs of your complex solution you find that what you've already got is probably close to the best you can do. I could replace my less than optimal window and it would probably cost me $300 and I doubt I would even see the difference in the heating bill but just consider how much energy it takes to melt glass. I'd be willing to bet it's more energy than will pass through that inefficient window in its entire lifetime.