Per WSJ, US does the same thing Jan 22. Both following an announcement of doing so in early Dec 2021. Funny how each side never/rarely mentions the other...
The American Trucking Associations (ATA) led the fight against the OSHA vaccine mandate:
ATA-Led Coalition Sues to Block Federal Vaccine Mandate[0]
ATA Hails Supreme Court’s Rejection of OSHA Vaccine-or-Test Mandate[1]
Supreme Court Stays OSHA Vaccine-or-Test Mandate[2]: "American Trucking Associations President and CEO Chris Spear issued a statement calling it 'a tremendous victory.' ... 'Thanks to this ruling, our industry will continue to deliver critical goods, as our nation recovers from the pandemic and we move our economy forward.'"
Prior to that victory, they had been pushing for an industry exemption[3]: "[W]e formally requested that the Biden Administration exempt professional truck drivers from the mandate"
Thank you very much. I had mistaken the GP comment to mean US truckers would be subject to the vaccine mandate within the US. Now I understand that the US is imposing a vaccine mandate on Canadian truckers entering the US as of January 22nd. Policy-makers realize the incredible burden that the vaccine mandate would create internally; perhaps a cross-border trade slowdown is not significant enough to warrant reciprocity in their minds?
This irritates me quite a bit. This is not the first time the U.S. government has gone "Well, fine. If I can't get away with violating my own Constitution, I'll just use a neighbor/Ally to do it for me, and get what I wanted anyway, except now it's just called Diplomacy!
There's absolutely no way the US would lose this time, though, not that it would ever happen anyway. Even if we had time to attempt a defense, almost no canadian would be willing to die for Canada. The typical "Canadian patriots" who would have been willing to probably have soured on that idea in the past 2 years.
You're thinking in terms of just US vs Canada. You're also forgetting that Canada is part of the Commonwealth. You can bet your bottom dollar that Commonwealth nations (at least a couple of whom are nuclear enabled, and some of whom have their own defence industries including ship and fighter jet production) would become involved. The US would find themselves on the short end of the NATO stick, including free trade agreements being jeopardised. Then there's the opportunism by Russia and China. Any distraction such as an invasion of Canada, and one that drags in allies, would provide an opportunity for them to apply global trade and banking restrictions, leverage geopolitical issues, disrupt supply chains, etc.
It would not be nearly as straight forward as "America military is big and grunts loud, Canada has beavers and mittens."
> You can bet your bottom dollar that Commonwealth nations (at least a couple of whom are nuclear enabled, and some of whom have their own defence industries including ship and fighter jet production) would become involved.
You're insane if you think that either those nations would take any real action OR that the US couldn't take them all at once without breaking a sweat. The scope and quality of military power and technology wielded by the US is astounding. Probably just the Navy could take those countries.
It's interesting to ponder a world where, when Russia goes for Ukraine or Baltic states and China matches up their timing for Taiwan, the US bails on NATO and Pacific allies and goes North instead.
It's ridiculous on so many different levels, and that seems worth considering.
It sounds ridiculous because the US can't possibly size up its own territorial aims while it's busy committing cultural suicide. Russia and China aren't confined in that way.
Plus, when such large portions of the economy are exporting culture and currency, the US is basically in the business of selling cooperation. So that would fall apart pretty quickly, and with it the immigration the sustains population despite low fertility rates.
Plus it's just inconceivable that it would be a goal in the US. Maybe that's just good propaganda, but I think not.
Well, sure, if you consider America's empire as a flex of "softer" power, as in selling cooperation and Disney, then maybe it's just absurd to think of Canada being any more culturally American than it already is.
I know we invaded Canada with six armies in 1812 and all of them got their butts kicked by the British, but I never heard of an invasion during the Revolutionary War.
Montgomery invaded quebec, thinking the local (freshly conquered) french canadians would join the revolution, which didn't happen. They took Montréal, laid siege on quebec but ultimately had to withdraw with heavy losses due to winter, mounting losses, and low morale since the American militiamen were absolutely not keen to fight this far away from their home states.
The event is a bit forgotten in the US but here in Canada, it's taught in high school. The relatively huge celebrations of the 200th year anniversary of the 1812 War back in 2012 also mentioned the invasion quite a bit.
Mind you that in the late 18th century many Canadians wanted to free themselves of the British yoke as well.
However, the loss of the American colonies led to an increased British military presence in Canada (1 soldier for every 5000 settlers) which made rebellion practically impossible.
One rebellion led to the hanging of all the leaders and they never attempted to revolt again. Since then, they've been brainwashed into thinking this was best for them and that Americans are a bunch of unrestrained morons.
Oh boo hoo. People who want to actually do business with Canada will simply select vaccinated drivers; the unvaccinated can continue to deliver domestically.
An idiotic article characteristic of the “business press”
It will never stop annoying me that US citizens are always ready to state that non-US citizens should have fewer rights.
The US already has vaccination requirements, finger print and photo biometric requirements, and a stated belief that if you're a non-us citizen various parts of the constitution don't apply to you.
But if another country ever does something similar it becomes an attack on freedom.
Seriously, if you want to be an idiot and ignore basic science, then you do you. Just don't be a plague rat.
If it's any comfort, there are those of us quite miffed by the same thing. We don't plaster it all over the walls, though increasingly I'm wondering if not doing so is an enabling factor.
Now, now, settle down. Don't mention rats around the Albertan's... <Shifts nervously>
I think that Countries are having a tough time keeping up with the Pandemic. An Omicron infection seems to offer better protection than vaccination at this point. I think if they were being honest, antibody tests would be more valuable than vaccination status. I say this as someone that is both vaccinated and boosted.
The vaccine might not produce antibodies so thay won't allow antibody testing (or the antibodies could disappear too quickly compared to natural immunity).
I think antibody testing might have been a good solution for those hesitant to inject a vaccine (because of no data for long term effects/ vaccine technology) but that would offer a way out for those that to not wish to vaccinate and that is also not allowed.
As the article mentions the mandate is being put in place by the US as well. One major difference, that worries me as a Canadian … 20% of the food Canadians buy in foodservice and retail is imported from the US.
Disruption in the supply chain is mildly inconvenient when your Amazon packages show up a few days late (or your oil, or lumber). It is a much larger concern when the grocery stores are half stocked (which they have been at times in Canada even before these mandates were put in place).
I’m not sure if Canadian’s realize this or not, but we’re not growing strawberries and oranges here this time of year :(
A shot or two shouldn’t put them over the legal limit, right? Something like 86% of US truck drivers are obese, so they might even be able to handle a third shot.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 93.7 ms ] threadATA-Led Coalition Sues to Block Federal Vaccine Mandate[0]
ATA Hails Supreme Court’s Rejection of OSHA Vaccine-or-Test Mandate[1]
Supreme Court Stays OSHA Vaccine-or-Test Mandate[2]: "American Trucking Associations President and CEO Chris Spear issued a statement calling it 'a tremendous victory.' ... 'Thanks to this ruling, our industry will continue to deliver critical goods, as our nation recovers from the pandemic and we move our economy forward.'"
Prior to that victory, they had been pushing for an industry exemption[3]: "[W]e formally requested that the Biden Administration exempt professional truck drivers from the mandate"
[0] https://www.ttnews.com/articles/ata-led-coalition-sues-block...
[1] https://www.trucking.org/news-insights/ata-hails-supreme-cou...
[2] https://www.truckinginfo.com/10159451/supreme-court-stays-os...
[3] https://www.trucking.org/vaccinemandate
Do you have that link please? Could not find it.
The current SC does not care about the constitution unless it happens to align with their beliefs.
> Shipping will get disrupted in both directions, as the U.S. is the set to impose its own vaccine mandate on foreign travelers on Jan. 22.
And we've lost, twice! (American Revolutionary War and War of 1812)
Third time is the charm?
It would not be nearly as straight forward as "America military is big and grunts loud, Canada has beavers and mittens."
I can't tell if you're serious or not.
It's ridiculous on so many different levels, and that seems worth considering.
Plus, when such large portions of the economy are exporting culture and currency, the US is basically in the business of selling cooperation. So that would fall apart pretty quickly, and with it the immigration the sustains population despite low fertility rates.
Plus it's just inconceivable that it would be a goal in the US. Maybe that's just good propaganda, but I think not.
The event is a bit forgotten in the US but here in Canada, it's taught in high school. The relatively huge celebrations of the 200th year anniversary of the 1812 War back in 2012 also mentioned the invasion quite a bit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Quebec_(1775)
However, the loss of the American colonies led to an increased British military presence in Canada (1 soldier for every 5000 settlers) which made rebellion practically impossible.
One rebellion led to the hanging of all the leaders and they never attempted to revolt again. Since then, they've been brainwashed into thinking this was best for them and that Americans are a bunch of unrestrained morons.
An idiotic article characteristic of the “business press”
The US already has vaccination requirements, finger print and photo biometric requirements, and a stated belief that if you're a non-us citizen various parts of the constitution don't apply to you.
But if another country ever does something similar it becomes an attack on freedom.
Seriously, if you want to be an idiot and ignore basic science, then you do you. Just don't be a plague rat.
Now, now, settle down. Don't mention rats around the Albertan's... <Shifts nervously>
I think antibody testing might have been a good solution for those hesitant to inject a vaccine (because of no data for long term effects/ vaccine technology) but that would offer a way out for those that to not wish to vaccinate and that is also not allowed.
Disruption in the supply chain is mildly inconvenient when your Amazon packages show up a few days late (or your oil, or lumber). It is a much larger concern when the grocery stores are half stocked (which they have been at times in Canada even before these mandates were put in place).
I’m not sure if Canadian’s realize this or not, but we’re not growing strawberries and oranges here this time of year :(