Ask HN: Where are you going to find long-form content online these days?

179 points by nrs26 ↗ HN
Obviously, outside of Hacker News.

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/r/TrueReddit and /r/FoodforThought subreddits are both pretty interesting and tend to have insightful long-form articles.
The New Yorker is great too, if you’re willing to pay a few bucks a month.
Often free in eform via your local public library.
love love love waitbutwhy, i wish more people knew about it.
Likewise; love Tim Urban. Spent way too much time reading his work. My favorites are "Religion for the Nonreligious" [1] (which actually has little to do with religion, despite the title), and "The Tail End" [2]. Each one gave me new ways of looking at life and relationships, in ways that I haven't thought before.

I started "The Story of Us" [3], but haven't gone through all. I think it crossed the threshold of long-blog-post and became almost a book-in-a-blog.

[1] https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/10/religion-for-the-nonreligious...

[2] https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/12/the-tail-end.html

[3] https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/08/story-of-us.html

Non-tech and non-news (and not even that long), but I have to plug https://www.themarginalian.org/ (previously called "brain pickings").

The author reads voraciously and follows common threads across many works, compiling her thoughts into articles which often contain beautiful prose in their own right. I often pickup book recs from here that get me into reading about art, poetry, love, spirituality, and more, which I never would otherwise.

In a similar vein is Commonplace by Cedric Chin. Think a Stratechery that analyzes individuals, not corporations. Has great summaries and read/don't read recommendations on book. One of the few blogs I didn't end up unsubscribing from in annoyance.

https://commoncog.com/blog/

Have you heard of books?
I agree with the spirit of this. If you want serious long-form substance that is the product of months or years of careful effort, it's hard to beat a book. Usually the best long-form content I've found online (e.g. [1]) is itself just an excerpt.

[1]: https://lithub.com/aneurysm/

I've also become a fan of buying ebooks through the Apple Books app on my phone, if you extend the definition of "online" a bit.

Many dead-tree-book libraries also have ebook lending programs. If that's not an option, then there's also Project Gutenberg[0] and the Internet Archive's Open Library [1].

[0] https://www.gutenberg.org/ [1] https://openlibrary.org/

Project Gutenberg lost favour with me when they basically said "U.S. Copyright is the only copyright law that matters on the internet, so screw you Germany" and geoblocked the entire country. This must have felt like such a slap in the face to Germans who ever donated time or money to project Gutenberg. Personally, I had never done that, so I had the luxury of being able to just turn away in bewilderment. I do give money to archive.org though, and sincerely hope they will never pull crap like that.
Libby app for connection via your library card.
I like aeon.co - a collection of essays, thinkpieces and articles about a wide range of topics
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London Review of Books. It’s a print magazine mirrored on its website, but do yourself a favor and leave your phone beyond reach while trying to read long-form. The internet has ruined us all.
Claremont Review of Books for a contrasting view.
LRB is great. I've subscribed for years.

It's more than book reviews, also social and political commentary.

And often the book reviews will be nominally about 3-4 related books, and give really interesting in-depth takes on historical events, social movements, etc.

https://www.aldaily.com/ Arts&Letters daily was a curated collection of links that introduced many to highbrow internet longform. Not sure how it does those days
The Joe Rogan podcast. Listening to long-form, multi-hour conversation is so refreshing compared to what traditional news shows have become.
Most of his guests are nothing like that. His interview with Brian Cox (the physicist) is one of my personal favourites, to give one of many examples. Sure, sometimes he's got relatively kooky people on, but often it's people whose ideas are unusual but still rationally debatable. The downside of stranding outside your own echo chamber is that often it'll be a waste of time. But the upside is that occasionally it'll change your mind, and that's certainly what I'm after.
Well he’s the most popular media source in the country now. I think your opinion is a minority one. I find his content entertaining, engaging, and well worth it. I don’t find it any of the things that you claim it is. He’s probably anti vaccine, people are entitled to their opinions.
> Most popular media source in the country right now [citation needed]
I was curious and gave it a search. It's hardly a high quality source, but:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-ufc-news-joe-rogan-seem...

Per the chart, Rogan has 11m viewers per episode compared to 3.24m for Tucker Carlson Tonight, which was the highest-viewed primetime cable news show as of 2020 per [1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson_Tonight#Ratings

What shall we use as a baseline for Comparison? Joy Reid from MSNBC? Would you be ok with that?
Naw they’re only going to be satisfied with no less than her excellency Rachel Maddow
So who is your news source then? Who is the beacon of truth and reason we must move to?

Not saying I like Tucker, I think he's terrible.

GP was just making a popularity comparison, in terms of viewer/listenership, not making any kind of endorsement.
> If your baseline for comparison is another "news" source such as Carlson, I suppose anything is possible.

Well, you questioned whether or not Joe Rogan was the most popular media source, not "news" source.

To be fair, the most popular media is very unlikely to be some dry unproduced show.
Didn't Rogan emphatically endorse Bernie last election cycle? Have the alt right become socialists when I wasn't looking?
Yeah Rogan is an independent thinker. He doesn't fall neatly into a left/right categorization.
It’s hard to see outside of your bubble when you’re so deeply integrated within it. I recommend anyone here turning off any news and media for a few months and see the world a little bit more clearly afterwards. I’m not a huge fan of Rogan myself but at least he’s not bound by the secret rules of what you can talk about in mainstream media
FYI, Joe is openly a Bernie Sanders supporter.
> NPR, the CBC and BBC

You may enjoy the content from those outlets, and that's fine, but they are certainly not unbiased.

Ivermectin is actually standard hospital protocol (not just for covid) in large parts of the world where parasites are relatively common. Giving someone a dewormer is low cost and high benefit.

One of the reasons the research struggled to figure out whether it helps covid is that it is just a generally helpful drug for big parts of the population. It doesn't do anything special re covid, but it's still a good and useful drug.

Yes, and you do realise that many drugs are multi-purpose, used off-label on occasion (frequently actually) and can lead to breakthroughs in different fields?

Your point was Ivermectin is horse paste. Clearly it's not just that. Go get your fourth jab I suppose? Or is it up to five now? Science.

What do you think of the signal to noise ratio of the JRE podcast? It seems like he does minimal prep and just wings it with the idea that his natural curiosity will make up for it.

yes, they are 2.5hrs+ long, but IMO at least half of it is chit-chat and irrelevant to the guests knowledge often about fitness/hunting/deer/monkeys. I prefer much more focused podcasts, where the interview has prepared a series of well targeted questions.

I feel like he intentionally does no research. It would be so easy for him to pull up the Wikipedia page for his guests and read it before interviewing them.

I think that he believes that by not researching before the interview, he will be better able to represent and empathize with his viewers, who also won’t have done any research before watching. I’m not sure if this is good interviewing technique, but it certainly gives the interviews their characteristic disorganized feel.

The magic is that it’s like you’re listening to two friends have an interesting conversation and you’re the third person listening in.. particularly in this pandemic when so many suffered severe social isolation, this form of podcast is almost therapeutic.
It's certainly 'long-form' and certainly 'content'.
Funny that I interpreted the original "long-form content" as being writing. Rogan's podcasts are certainly long, multi-hour sessions, but tend to wander fairly aimlessly and don't really have a central thesis or topic that they stick to. This is unlike most traditional "long form" writing that I assumed OP was looking for.

Try some of William F. Buckley's old Firing Line episodes, available on YouTube.

I really only listen to Rogan for two types of guests: comedians I like and physicists. The episodes for the latter are always fantastic. Brian Cox, Sean Carroll, Brian Greene, Lawrence Krauss, Neil deGrasse Tyson, plus a couple more. He's even had Roger Penrose on.
Roger Penrose is a legend.

Some of the episodes of JRE with Bill Burr I've watched more than once.

I think I'm fundamentally opposed to long form content. I can learn a lot more from one line of code than 10 pages of theory.
Books are available free at:

https://archive.org/

https://libgen.rs/

Archive.org tends to have out-of-copyright stuff, LibGen newer stuff, but stuff in between (mid to late 20th C) you can often get by "borrowing" the ebook from archive.org for a short time (free, requires sign-up.) LibGen also has the vast majority of scientific papers/journal articles I look for, no matter how old or obscure.

> Archive.org tends to have out-of-copyright stuff

Their lending library has lots and lots of in-copyright stuff. With a free account (takes minutes to setup), you can borrow them (read in an online browser, or via DRM-controlled PDF) for an hour or for two weeks. My impression is that they limit simultaneous borrowers to the number of physical copies the Archive possesses.

If it sounds too good to be true, give it a try. It's only drawback is a poor search engine (just use a general one like DuckDuckGo and add "site:archive.org" to your search)

I'm a fan of the Samizdat sources (you could add ZLibrary as well).

Archive.org's holdings are truly amazing for older works. Newer, in-copyright works can be checked out, though I find the e-reader software, which works well on desktop, is poorly-suited to tablets.

Other sources of legal works include:

- Project Gutenberg: https://gutenberg.org/ (60k books)

- Standard Ebooks: very-well formatted quality ebook, largely public domain https://standardebooks.org/

- Wikisource: https://en.wikisource.org/ Public-domain works, downloadable in ePub and other formats.

There are numerous other smaller collections focusing on specific topics which may also be useful. Searching for "filetype:pdf", "filetype:epub", or "filetype:djvu" may find ebook formats elsewhere.

I have over 400 books on my iPad. A significant number are various tech tomes, but I also like to read “escapist junk”; mostly fantasy.
The Browser: https://thebrowser.com/

Arts and Letters Daily: https://www.aldaily.com/

Lit mags: LRB, NYRB, Paris Review, McSweeneys

Lit-adjacent mags: Harpers, Laphams Quarterly

I usually follow a lot of these via RSS, and subscribe to some.

Beyond that, several newsletters. Astral códex ten (as already mentioned) and tomas pueyo’s uncharted territories come to mind.

The Browser is easily the best reading money I’ve spent in a long time. $5/mo and it finds such good articles.

I subscribe to Apple News, which includes access to a large number of magazines, and I have an electronic subscription to a couple of newspapers. My morning routine is reading from these sources on my iPad... and a coffee. :)
Still the same old places mostly. Harper's. Rolling Stone. NY Review of Books. Lots of podcasts, especially ones that go through a long story in several episodes, for example "Deep Cover" and "Buried Truths". Books.

I'm getting tired of long-form content that wanders around the point. That's just taking a small subject and adding words. I like long form when the subject demands it and its complexity makes the long form useful.