Wait here. The book is about how we can make this pandemic be the last. But how, what lessons have we learned? In my country now majority of people are vaccinated, a lot of others recovered, and currently covid cases are highest they have ever been. Just lucky this variant is milder but other than that seems like nothing we did worked. We knew it is coming and no country was able to stop it from breaching the borders and simply spreading.
This is a book, a long task, which means it was probably almost finished before this new covid wave. I wonder if the book will not look silly once it comes out.
It wasn’t luck that this variant is milder, that’s what happens most of the time with pandemics (it was the same with the spanish flu). If a virus kills its host, it’s less effective in surviving.
Would you please not forget to address in your
next book the following:
- Are you still of the opinion that vaccines should not
be shared with the 3rd world? [1] , [2]
- In some developed countries citizens are on their nth Boost
but most of the 3rd world is still struggling to get a first dose. Any suggestions
to address this dichotomy?
- Could you please review in your book, what actions your
foundation helped promote to help prepare the World prepare
for the current pandemic, besides your well known Ted talk?
- Would you mind starting Chapter 1, by stating what makes you
uniquely qualified to talk about vaccines and pandemic policies?
- If the next pandemic is even more serious than the current one,
would you mind unambiguously stating your opinion concerning medical
mandates?
I think this one is overblown. If Gates wanted to learn about viruses all the worlds bleeding edge experts are in his reach. I would be charitable and assume he took advantage of that. If so he can be a lot more educated about the subject than any doctor.
Agreed. I don't think this a cosplay, especially within the context of all the work his foundation has done to save lives around the world from a pragmatic numbers based approach.
That's a possibility, I hope it's not more a marketing stunt than a real effort (I assume he cares since he talked about that long ago).
Also, him being a used high profile spokesperson, is used to be under the light, maybe not all epidemiologists want that or can handle the fuss. Maybe he can bridge the two and have international panels with experts being set up.
Jeffrey Epstein really enjoyed the fact that wealth implies general intelligence and insight to a lot of people. Also the fact that if a rich guy wears a Harvard sweatshirt, a lot of people will insist he must have gone to Harvard without ever being asked to.
"Well he's dead so....." that is the most epic/telling statement I believe Bill Gates has every made.
Gates comments on Epstein on NPR, I don't have a link, but Google and YouTube have the details.
Gates another question for you, what's with all the farmland you now own in the US? The world doesn't need another Monsanto's. Seems fishy! Somethings afoot with that. Farming is not that profitable, so what's his interest in it?
I totally agree about Gates. However I would add that public health experts and medical doctors are very different. Doctors generally make for terrible public health policy advisors! It's a very different set of skills and way of thinking about health systems.
I am very open to critiquing Bill Gates (and other personally wealthy folks disregarding experts in a messianical manner), but isn't this kind of what he spends all of his time on now (malaria, ebola, etc.)? From the article itself, he links to a TED talk he gave about epidemics in 2015, as well as a paper he had published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
It has been a hobby of his for some time. Although he hasn't credentialed that knowledge. It doesn't mean his opinion is moot, just that people should examine his points through research of their own and not just appeal to his 'authority'.
But Gates is not "every billionaire, politician, celebrity, and crackpot on the planet" on this issue. He stepped away from day to day involvement in Microsoft in 2008, and it seems that since then his major focus has been his foundation. Global health is one of the main focuses of that organization.
That's a bit different from some random celebrity weighing in.
It should also be clear to everyone now that pandemics are not solely an infectious diseases issue. Presumably Gates could bring a valuable perspective on science-adjacent issues like governance, financing and global cooperation.
You can absolutely disagree with his views on this topic (and maybe should), but it's unfair to write him off as some dilettante.
(edit: Also you should absolutely question how he came to have this level of wealth and influence in global health.)
It makes him an expert at making money, which perhaps maps to being good at contract negotiation, government influence, business Management etc... (But not infectious diseases)
I've seen interviews with infectious disease experts and other health experts including research scientists in those fields that the Gates foundation deals with, and they have said that Gates has put in years of serious effort to understand these things at a deep level, including hiring experts to teach him, and when they discuss their work and projects with him it is like discussing it with a fellow scientist.
He could have used the TED platform to talk about anything, and he chose to raise the alarm bell about pandemic preparedness. A fairly niche and unpopular topic at the time.
Please also include:
- A chapter on how to setup a philanthropic foundation and a trust for making investments that will double your net worth again in the next pandemic.
- How to successfully influence government organizations such as WHO through ear marked donations to ensure your investments managed in the trust pay off.
> If the next pandemic is even more serious than the current one …
… than Bill Gates is absolutely right, and your positition of invalidating pharmaceutical patents would not only just be moral grandstanding, but stupidly harmful.
1. Hundreds of pharmaceutical companies tried to develop a vaccine and how many succedded? It is a big bet which can be lost, and we need many players in the game competing to win the big prize.
2. The vaccines turned out to be differently effective and furthermore different for the variants. J&J was good for the original Covid-19, not for Delta.
3. The capital and drive necessary for ramping up production and the complex supply chain is massive plus timing in the pandemic is essential. Can underdeveloped countries pump out hundreds of millions of doses cheaper than Pfizer/Moderna? I highly doubt it.
Capitalism and the market economy made both very cheap (AstraZeneca with under $5) and very best vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna with $20 a dose). This was the winning system! Why throw it away? The pandemic cost trillions in world GDP, the cost big pharma is profiting from the well earned solution is a trifle compared. I would be all for rich countries subsidizing poorer ones, the pandemic was a global problem, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
https://theconversation.com/cubas-covid-vaccines-the-limited... makes me think if they can do it under economic pressure due to sanctions, so anybody without these constraints should do even better. If not they are just scammers, trying to ride the wave until it breaks.
How does he intend to shake off his reputation as a close confidant of Jeffrey Epstein (after he was convicted), which included multiple staff of his foundation visiting the home of the sex offender. [1]
Does the world really need to take advice from people associated with sex offenders, and who seek to profit from vaccines?
,, I also tell you about my regular conversations with public health leaders like Anthony Fauci and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus''
I hope he addresses the fact that Anthony Fauci didn't tell Trump that he authorized the gain of function research in Wuhan. Also he could ask Tedros privately whether Taiwan is a country or not, we still don't know it.
Because I should pay money to a college dropout who became a software billionaire by monetizing what was the commons . . . to tell me about public health?
I need more convincing than a friendly arrow avoiding a COVID ball for me to buy that.
Does Gates release his books pertaining to knowledge of public welfare for free somewhere (or donate to every library system)?
It just seems odd to be charging money for something that you claim will help humanity when you have a lot of money already. I would have thought making it free would reach more people and get him closer his goal of adopting the steps.
He's at least implying a public good motive, and I'm being charitable by assuming one exists. But my statement was intended to either educate myself on some detail that I didn't know, or implicitly call into question the motive in the absence of an answer.
I feel like Bill should be able to read a room....sure maybe this topic is pertinent, but half the population thinks he has colluded with pharmacy companies to inject micro chips in people.
I mean most sane people might still trust his expertise etc, but something tells me the memes are gonna be all over reddit about this, or in conspiracy posts.
Should've had it written under an alias then endorsed the book heavily, ironically that would get it more 'trust'... because of the current divides...
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[ 2.0 ms ] story [ 55.4 ms ] threadThis is a book, a long task, which means it was probably almost finished before this new covid wave. I wonder if the book will not look silly once it comes out.
Would you please not forget to address in your next book the following:
- Are you still of the opinion that vaccines should not be shared with the 3rd world? [1] , [2]
- In some developed countries citizens are on their nth Boost but most of the 3rd world is still struggling to get a first dose. Any suggestions to address this dichotomy?
- Could you please review in your book, what actions your foundation helped promote to help prepare the World prepare for the current pandemic, besides your well known Ted talk?
- Would you mind starting Chapter 1, by stating what makes you uniquely qualified to talk about vaccines and pandemic policies?
- If the next pandemic is even more serious than the current one, would you mind unambiguously stating your opinion concerning medical mandates?
[1] "Bill Gates under fire for saying vaccine formulas shouldn’t be shared with developing world" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-gates...
[2] "Bill Gates believes Covid 19 vaccine tech should not be given to India, what he said and why he said it" https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/bill-gates-b...
This is the important one to me.
I'm so tired of every billionaire, politician, celebrity, and crackpot on the planet cosplaying an infectious disease expert.
It would be nice if the words of actual doctors could be heard over the rabble of the wannabes.
It's awesome that you made billions of dollars. Money does not make you an expert on anything at all.
Also, him being a used high profile spokesperson, is used to be under the light, maybe not all epidemiologists want that or can handle the fuss. Maybe he can bridge the two and have international panels with experts being set up.
Gates comments on Epstein on NPR, I don't have a link, but Google and YouTube have the details.
Gates another question for you, what's with all the farmland you now own in the US? The world doesn't need another Monsanto's. Seems fishy! Somethings afoot with that. Farming is not that profitable, so what's his interest in it?
That he invested heavily into both Moderna and BioNTech before the pandemic gives him lots of credibility.
That's a bit different from some random celebrity weighing in.
It should also be clear to everyone now that pandemics are not solely an infectious diseases issue. Presumably Gates could bring a valuable perspective on science-adjacent issues like governance, financing and global cooperation.
You can absolutely disagree with his views on this topic (and maybe should), but it's unfair to write him off as some dilettante.
(edit: Also you should absolutely question how he came to have this level of wealth and influence in global health.)
He could have used the TED platform to talk about anything, and he chose to raise the alarm bell about pandemic preparedness. A fairly niche and unpopular topic at the time.
He wants the Nobel prize. He wants it SO badly that he met fcking Epstein to discuss the matter.
… than Bill Gates is absolutely right, and your positition of invalidating pharmaceutical patents would not only just be moral grandstanding, but stupidly harmful.
1. Hundreds of pharmaceutical companies tried to develop a vaccine and how many succedded? It is a big bet which can be lost, and we need many players in the game competing to win the big prize. 2. The vaccines turned out to be differently effective and furthermore different for the variants. J&J was good for the original Covid-19, not for Delta. 3. The capital and drive necessary for ramping up production and the complex supply chain is massive plus timing in the pandemic is essential. Can underdeveloped countries pump out hundreds of millions of doses cheaper than Pfizer/Moderna? I highly doubt it.
Capitalism and the market economy made both very cheap (AstraZeneca with under $5) and very best vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna with $20 a dose). This was the winning system! Why throw it away? The pandemic cost trillions in world GDP, the cost big pharma is profiting from the well earned solution is a trifle compared. I would be all for rich countries subsidizing poorer ones, the pandemic was a global problem, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Does the world really need to take advice from people associated with sex offenders, and who seek to profit from vaccines?
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-...
I hope he addresses the fact that Anthony Fauci didn't tell Trump that he authorized the gain of function research in Wuhan. Also he could ask Tedros privately whether Taiwan is a country or not, we still don't know it.
I need more convincing than a friendly arrow avoiding a COVID ball for me to buy that.
It just seems odd to be charging money for something that you claim will help humanity when you have a lot of money already. I would have thought making it free would reach more people and get him closer his goal of adopting the steps.
I mean most sane people might still trust his expertise etc, but something tells me the memes are gonna be all over reddit about this, or in conspiracy posts.
Should've had it written under an alias then endorsed the book heavily, ironically that would get it more 'trust'... because of the current divides...