Obviously, code that old couldn't have been originally committed to git. But it is quite common to have old repositories migrated to git and one would expect the original time stamps been maintained after the migration.
Sorry, what do you want to say with that? I was talking in general, why Git repositories might contain commits which precede the creation of Git by a large amount. And I am sure, while no one committed the code in 1972 to any kind of repository, that the code snipped with its date is genuine. At that time Kernighan was working with other legends off the Unix world on Unix and the C language.
Someone else claimed he owns the name "Go" for a programming language. As a proof his github "go language" creation and commit date was shown. This wasn't fake, was real.
Google surely won't give up for this reason. Few days later google extended their go commit to 1972. Preceding that author's date by a long shot.
Guess you can find the news coverage from that time if you search.
Shitty joke. It was bought up in issue 9 in the golang repo and was a pretty big deal at the time.
I still think they should have renamed go to "nine". Alas Google had no problem just steamrolling the guy and then pissing on ten years of his work with a go fuck yourself in the form of this commit.
Whether something is a big deal has nothing to do with whether there was a court case about it. Google behaved really poorly here. They should have changed the name. That has nothing to do with any law.
Organizations with very deep pockets have pursued copyright cases against Google. Mostly unsuccessfully because Google's pockets are deeper and litigation is expensive.
You can't copyright a name. That's what trademark law does. While choosing a good name certainly takes some creative effort, it is not equivalent in the eyes of the law to a creative expression like a short story, song, or computer program.
Yeah. I feel bad for the guy who developed Go!, but I also totally understand Google's decision not to change the name.
Swift, Go are somewhat obvious names for a programming language (they express speed and action), and if you keep in mind *every smaller languages, it's almost impossible to come up with a name that nobody used as a programming language.
Sure, don't start a new programming language and call it Python or Java, but how about Falcon, Cheetah, Quick, etc? I never heard about any of them, but I'm sure there exist somewhere a programming language written by a solo developer that uses one of these names.
Falcon was also a computer system from Atari. Cheetah is also at least a computer system, a brand of drive, and a template system for Python. I don't know of languages called Cheetah or Quick. They may exist. "Quick" was part of the name for multiple programmers' tools and language implementations from Microsoft - QuickBasic, QuickC, QuickPascal, QuickAssembler... maybe more. They competed with the Borland Turbo C, Turbo Pascal, Turbo Assembler, Turbo Prolog, and Turbo Basic languages. This was back before MS switched to Visual C++, VisualBasic, etc.
David Symonds is a known type of bad actor within Google. Good luck if he latches onto your project or feature. This individual has consistently demonstrated a knack for deep sixing as much useful efforts as possible while simultaenously avoiding as much work as possible. The worst kind of BOFH developer I've encountered.
This was done as a joke, but not in response to the Go! issue. If you have the original Mercurial repo from the time of the release, you will see it there from the start.
Many projects have changed names over the years to avoid confusion and give other projects some space in the realm of ideas. Perl was briefly Pearl, but dropped the 'a' due to such a conflict. Microsoft changed from "Git Virtual File System", abbreviated "GVFS", to "Virtual File System for Git", abbreviated "VFS for Git" because there was already a critical mass of articles and documentation for the GNOME Virtual File System. Where a name causes confusion among users, it's good practice to choose a new name even if there's no trademark.
Lots of other projects have similar names across different types of software projects, which can be a little confusing but not as confusing as the same name in the same sphere. "Sphinx" for example represents at least a documentation generator, a search engine and text indexer, a data collection package for research, materials simulation library (as "SPHInX"), an integrated hardware/software access control package, and a network monitoring system. "Argus" is at least a commercial real estate software package, a network and systems monitoring and alerting system similar to Nagios or Sensu, a museum collection management package, a network activity auditing package, safety case management software from Oracle, a high-tech optical analysis system for the sheet metal forming industry, a secure messaging solution for medical information, a suite of system monitoring and management tools for Windows, and an augmented reality (AR) system for support & troubleshooting in multiple manufacturing industries.
As for "Go" for a language, I don't think confusion was likely. This other language doesn't seem to have been in widespread use or documented broadly outside the one project lead's own pages. It might have been kind to this other creator to change the name, but I don't think it was really necessary to avoid pain in the broader community.
So any thoughts on this company, Repography? Their dashboards look really cool, but the only way to give them a go with my own repositories is to authorize their Github app to "Act on my behalf", whatever that means, or to curl some unknown code and pipe that into bash locally on my machine. Neither option is one I'm particularly fond of trying, without additional assurances that this is a legit org.
I don't know. I just feel like they could have spent a bit more time convincing me it's safe to do that authorization thing. Likewise, I could have downloaded their script and audited it before running - I just don't have the time to do that right now.
There's an entry in our FAQ [1] about this. We only use OAuth to identify your GitHub account and then the GitHub app installation has much better defined permissions.
I'd love to be able to restrict the OAuth scope even further but GitHub doesn't let us. I've heard this concern a couple of times now so I'll have another look. I can hopefully at least improve how it's presented and communicated so it's more reassuring!
Yes, this is actually not unusual. People need food, water, shelter, and suchlike in order to survive, and so they exchange their labour for goods and services. Money is a helpful token now rather widely used in this bartering process.
I know it's quite common in the web development community to take a lot of freely provided code which took immense labour to write, and then stitch it together, in a way that requires very little skill or effort, in order to sell the result - but this isn't the norm in the world at large.
This seems to be a joke, but I was expecting it might be serious, because (AIUI) the Go compiler is derived from the Plan 9 C compiler. Of course, that was probably not started in 1972, but it does mean Go's source code is older than the language itself.
There seems to be a lot of confusion. Check out the GIT_AUTHOR_DATE (or git commit --date) and GIT_COMMITTER_DATE environment variables for more insight.
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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21787872/is-it-possible-...
e.g. this repo which represented the US constitution in a Git repository couldn't use the actual dates it wanted to. https://github.com/JesseKPhillips/USA-Constitution#who-made-...
Not allowing the creation of repos of historical data with correct timestamps is a bad design decision, not an inevitability.
Go was released.
Someone else claimed he owns the name "Go" for a programming language. As a proof his github "go language" creation and commit date was shown. This wasn't fake, was real.
Google surely won't give up for this reason. Few days later google extended their go commit to 1972. Preceding that author's date by a long shot.
Guess you can find the news coverage from that time if you search.
I mean the language was first IIRC.
I still think they should have renamed go to "nine". Alas Google had no problem just steamrolling the guy and then pissing on ten years of his work with a go fuck yourself in the form of this commit.
https://github.com/golang/go/issues/9
https://www.anl.gov/mcs/swift-fast-parallel-scripting-langua...
Swift, Go are somewhat obvious names for a programming language (they express speed and action), and if you keep in mind *every smaller languages, it's almost impossible to come up with a name that nobody used as a programming language.
Sure, don't start a new programming language and call it Python or Java, but how about Falcon, Cheetah, Quick, etc? I never heard about any of them, but I'm sure there exist somewhere a programming language written by a solo developer that uses one of these names.
Falcon was also a computer system from Atari. Cheetah is also at least a computer system, a brand of drive, and a template system for Python. I don't know of languages called Cheetah or Quick. They may exist. "Quick" was part of the name for multiple programmers' tools and language implementations from Microsoft - QuickBasic, QuickC, QuickPascal, QuickAssembler... maybe more. They competed with the Borland Turbo C, Turbo Pascal, Turbo Assembler, Turbo Prolog, and Turbo Basic languages. This was back before MS switched to Visual C++, VisualBasic, etc.
David Symonds is a known type of bad actor within Google. Good luck if he latches onto your project or feature. This individual has consistently demonstrated a knack for deep sixing as much useful efforts as possible while simultaenously avoiding as much work as possible. The worst kind of BOFH developer I've encountered.
https://github.com/golang/protobuf/issues/156
It's just a sad aussie knoll troll situation.
Step 2: make a commit
Step 3: rebase later commits to that commit
Step 4: force push to the main branch
Step 5: correct system clock
Try it. It works.
There's also the GIT_AUTHOR_DATE and GIT_COMMITTER_DATE environment variables.
Thanks.
I wrote a longer post about this at https://research.swtch.com/govcs.
Go’s Version Control History - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30333594 - Feb 2022 (8 comments)
Lots of other projects have similar names across different types of software projects, which can be a little confusing but not as confusing as the same name in the same sphere. "Sphinx" for example represents at least a documentation generator, a search engine and text indexer, a data collection package for research, materials simulation library (as "SPHInX"), an integrated hardware/software access control package, and a network monitoring system. "Argus" is at least a commercial real estate software package, a network and systems monitoring and alerting system similar to Nagios or Sensu, a museum collection management package, a network activity auditing package, safety case management software from Oracle, a high-tech optical analysis system for the sheet metal forming industry, a secure messaging solution for medical information, a suite of system monitoring and management tools for Windows, and an augmented reality (AR) system for support & troubleshooting in multiple manufacturing industries.
As for "Go" for a language, I don't think confusion was likely. This other language doesn't seem to have been in widespread use or documented broadly outside the one project lead's own pages. It might have been kind to this other creator to change the name, but I don't think it was really necessary to avoid pain in the broader community.
There's an entry in our FAQ [1] about this. We only use OAuth to identify your GitHub account and then the GitHub app installation has much better defined permissions.
I'd love to be able to restrict the OAuth scope even further but GitHub doesn't let us. I've heard this concern a couple of times now so I'll have another look. I can hopefully at least improve how it's presented and communicated so it's more reassuring!
[1] https://repography.com/faq
I know it's quite common in the web development community to take a lot of freely provided code which took immense labour to write, and then stitch it together, in a way that requires very little skill or effort, in order to sell the result - but this isn't the norm in the world at large.