I came up with a nastier fork bomb about 20 years ago. This also tries to eat your memory. It at least used to reliably hose any *nix system I tried it on, even ones where people had tried to put various process limits in place.
I wrote a c program that would slowly eat up memory over the course of about 15 minutes and use it to anger fellow college students progressively as the machine became slowly less and less reactive (rather than all at once with fork bombs and such) of course it would back off after a couple minute and start doing it again. After a couple of hours it would exit waiting for the next reboot. I'm glad I'm a lot more mature these days, and my pranks are less about enraging people in student labs. It's my understanding that most of these machine have programs that constantly sweep and delete such things in modern college labs, so that is a good change. Fortunately I grew weary of it after a week or two and deleted it off the few machines I put it on.
#!/bin/bash
./$0|./$0& # $0 is the name of the shell script itself
There is no need for the leading ./ if the script was invoked via a relative path ($0 will already have it) and adding it will break it if the script is invoked via an absolute path or name that is resolved against $PATH.
Further, what $0 holds is only a convention and up to the caller. If you are already restricting yourself to Bash, used ${BASH_SOURCE[0]} to always get the path to the script file.
But really, there is no need for a separate Bash version when the classic POSIX sh fork bomb already covers it (included in the repo as fork-bomb.sh):
if you open this on mobile and need to get that alert/popup closed, go to another app and click a link to take focus back in your mobile browser, then you can locate the Bad Tab and nuke it
or at least that’s what i managed on ios w/ firefox
I wrote one of these where it moves the popup window all over the screen, and rapidly opened and closed the popup (not an alert), making it impossible to click.
I was unable to stop my own creation and had to ctrl-alt-del kill the browser - except that when I started the browser again, it went back to the last opened window.
It took a bit of work regaining control. I wish I had saved the code, although it wouldn't work today since browsers restrict window open/close these days.
Really cool! In my young days I had fun with js alerts in certain forums. It's incredible modern browsers still suffer these problems. I have managed to freeze my computer with resource intensive js scripts that required a forced power off, but I never save the code of these bugs. With the latest Ubuntu my machine used to freeze when opening Gmail in Firefox, I started suspecting some kind of sabotage on Firefox, but never managed to find the actual cause.
Ahhh I accidentally zoomed on the page on mobile, so double tapped to unzoom and hit this. Proceeded to infinite loop Firefox on iOS. Oh well, time for a new phone anyway.
It's like if Microsoft had decreed in the 2000s that Mozilla can only make their browser as an IE6 toolbar, with IE6 still rendering the pages and enforcing weird rules.
Thankfully that would have gotten Microsoft in trouble with anti-trust regulators in the 2000s. In 2022 anti-competitive behavior from platform holders is unfortunately tolerated - both for Apple and Microsoft.
Sorry but the adblocking, night-mode, and sync make it a lot better for me than safari, so it's not just "safari with a wig" which would imply only the interface looked a bit different but otherwise it worked the same, which is not the case.
And its really just Safari. Apple forbids other browser engines in iOS so every third party browser in the app store is effectively a safari skin and not at all related to the product's true codebase. Real Firefox uses the Gecko browser engine. iOS Firefox is webkit.
To quote Apple's iOS dev guidelines:
"2.5.6 Apps that browse the web must use the appropriate WebKit framework and WebKit Javascript."
Most users don't care about the engine, they care about things like where your bookmarks are synched and configured, and the UI.
This is like telling people that a lexus isn't a real luxury car, it's just a re-skinned toyota. Most people don't care- they just want materials, tech, and nice seats. The skin is the car
That's a debatable point but the result either way doesn't change the point of my comment. They were dismissing the parent comment because they didn't understand the true nature of what they were talking about.
In this case, it's more like telling people that a particular Toyota was built by BMW.
It might not seem relevant on the surface, but the underlying technical differences could pose an issue for certain user cases, thus it's an important consideration. Not all Firefox addons work with the iOS version just like not every Toyota dealership carries parts for a Zupr4.
The engine is a method for apple to maintain control over the entire ecosystem. Is a web standard developing which could threaten native ios apps? By maintaining control of the engine they can prevent the standard from threatening them.
Users dont care about the engine until they cant use some web based thing because apple has decided so.
Sure but in my experience the sync, night mode, and ad blocking are a lot better in firefox, although it is definitely a bit slower because of javascript.
1 - Use anything other than chromium simply to combat monoculture and preserve some possibility for things that Google and MS or other superpowers may not like and so won't be allowed in Chrome or Edge.
2 - For instance, actually functional, useful, powerful and and user-holds-the-power plugins, like ad-blockers that actually work and don't have un-closable whitelists for paying customers, page editors that can block or modify other things besides just ads like any sort of annoying thing like auto playing videos or chat popups etc. Url-cleaners that strip off all the tracking redirects in search result links and links in facebook comments etc.
Some of this kind of stuff is still possible in chrome/edge at least on the desktop, but only because there still is at least some small competition to compare to, and it gets a little worse every day, never better. Meanwhile I have at least some of this even on mobile. Some things if I can't get it in the normal FF, I can get them in whole other special purpose browsers, which couldn't be done with any browser at all on ios.
Much of this is core browser engine function, not just the visual style of the buttons.
Availability Bias. You are assuming "almost all users" mirrors the users you know.
The engine is all that matters to me. Certain sites work differently on different engines. The only reason I leave Safari is for a different engine that often works better on less popular or more niche sites (PKI and some other issues). I can't do that on my iPhone. I wish I could.
I know many people, not technologically inclined, that just try different browsers on their computers when a website doesn't work. They don't know they are trying different engines, they just know it works on their computer. They also don't know that this methodology doesn't work on iOS. They still try.
> You are assuming "almost all users" mirrors the users you know.
> …
> I know many people who…
Uh, why are the people you know more valid than the people I know?
Also no one brought up trying different browsers for compatibility reasons, and tbh, I don’t think anyone does that on their phone. It’s definitely the case that the two comments I’ve gotten are from people who personally care about the engine more than the chrome, but I’ve seen nothing to suggest the average person does.
> Uh, why are the people you know more valid than the people I know?
I never made such a claim. I explained some subset of the population that is different than yours. I never made an assumption about the population as a whole, which “almost all users” from the original post does. I intentionally did not attempt to take my experience and claim it is representative of the population.
You further prove my original point by stating “tbh, I don’t think anyone does that on their phone.” You feel confident that your experiences represent the population that you can speculate about what they do? That you can speak for users in India, grandma’s in Indiana, and software engineers in Texas?
I see this logic often in policy debates and it affects outcomes which has the potential to hurt groups outside the advocate’s bubble, even with the best of intentions, simply because they think they understand the population, rather than being aware of how much they don’t know. Again, I never claimed you were right or wrong, I just pointed out you don’t have justifiable confidence, in a statistical sense, to make such claims.
It is, in fact, Safari. As another commentor noted, it's an instance of Safari Webview, not just webkit. The only thing you control when developing third-party apps is the UI/UX.
there is no "Safari Webview" -- GP is being pedantic but he is right here. WKWebView is not Safari, anymore than Chrome was Safari before it forked off into using Blink. WebKit != Safari
Not just Webkit - it's a Safari WebView in disguise (pretty decent disguise though, I use it daily myself). Apple doesn't allow any other type of browser on iOS.
Firefox (and all browsers on iOS) is just a wrapper around the Safari engine, because of Apple rules. On Android and desktop (including MacOS) it's fully custom.
Firefox on ios is pretty handicapped vs on Android. Like most things it's a tradeoff. Also the javascript engine isn't nearly as fast as the one for Safari on ios. That said I still use firefox there because i sync everything on firefox, also because of the built in night mode which is close enough to darkreader for my usage.
I doubt most people want to switch phone ecosystems over a browser. I love firefox and use it everywhere (linux, windows, freebsd, etc) including macos, but iphone overall is a better experience for me as a mobile OS so I stick with that.
Switching phone ecosystems over a browser might not make sense, but switching over being restrictions on which browser engines you are allowed to use does imo.
How are there still popular browsers that let websites take control away from the user via popups and/or alerts? I thought that shit was fixed years ago.
They do - modern browsers make "alert()" be a part of the page's content instead of browser UI - you can still interact with the browser's UI to close or switch away the tab.
Maybe this entire incident was raised by an idiot opening it in a truly ancient browser?
The two adults that were arrested were not prosecuted. However, it seems like the police's stance was, "a crime was committed, but we decided to not prosecute based on the context, consequences of the crime, etc.", rather than, "there was no crime committed"
There was a page in the early 2000s called the most annoying website in the world. It showed a very large (but finite: the site itself estimates 30-45 minutes) number of alerts. It also a prompt for your name and referred to you by your name.
At the time I knew only HTML so I was blown away by a web page "talking" to me, and by inspecting the source I learned about the script tag, alerts, prompts, loops and variables.
When it came out, the main browser was Internet Explorer, which became unresponsive until you got rid of all of the alerts. You could of course use Task Manager, or hold spacebar to go through them quickly, but most people didn't know that.
I had the same experience; "trick" websites like that got me so excited to find out what was possible. It's still kind of amazing that browsers let websites do all the things they do, considering the potential for abuse
Some actually see the constant flow of alerts, and ask if you want to supress alerts for that site. So, depending on how quickly you interact with that site, the browser might save you.
By jove, I haven't seen this since primary school! It was perhaps 2003-2004, one of the other fellows had just learnt of it and he made each of us sit through it all. Since then, I have been searching for the lost legend.
A visit was much more annoying in IE6 on Windows 2000, which had no way to escape the dialogues.
I believe the original domain was "themostannoyingwebsiteintheworld.com". I would wager it is now either SEOspam or squatted.
my favorite was this one which you can find here called Trojan.JS.YouAreAnIdiot [1]
The beauty of this one was how easy it was to customize and send to someone. The sheer terror people would go through thinking it was a targeted attack when the popup, bouncing everywhere flashing at them calling them an idiot, has their name and stuff in the javascript alert that came up... it was just incredibly funny, especially if you just set it as something that opened from putting it in their 'startup' menu with a couple of minutes at their computer
I remember one of these troll websites was one that displayed a picture of some James Bond like character. The entire window would then become "wavy", moving around the screen while it animates the waves, with of course the close buttons being totally unresponsive.
I wonder now how did those things work. I guess back in time browsers allowed you to do whatever you wanted with zero consequences?
AFAIK it's to do with how compositing was done in windows. Every app drew to the same surface. If it couldn't redraw because it was frozen or whatever, then you'd see the remnants of what was previously drawn, hence the pattern.
I distinctly remember switching to chrome, because using stumbleupon in it would only crash the tab, and not the whole browser. Kinda crazy to think that websites crashing the browser were common enough back then for that to matter.
There was far, FAR worse versions out there. The one that most stands out in my mind created an explosion of new pages, all of them loading the same sexualized images, at which point a WAV autoplays: "Hey, everyone! Look at ME! I'm looking at GAY PORN!!!!"
> In the investigation of the criminal act, the police examined user logs of the bulletin board and found others also suspected of linking it. In response, they raided the house of an unemployed man and that of a 47-year-old construction worker. None of the three individuals appear to be accused of actually having written the infinite loop. Explaining her actions, the girl said that she'd run into such pranks herself and thought it would be funny if someone clicked the link.
As a completely aside rant, we should levee a fee to alcohol companies to fund these drunk tanks, it makes no sense for that to be taxpayer/police budget funded.
Or why not just have the occupant of said drunk tank fund it by paying a fine? Oh wait, they do that already by having arrested you and now commiting a portion of your future life dealing with the courts and the fines they levy.
i see, i guess it's locale dependent then. Where I'm from the drunk tank is mostly a catch and release program where people spend the night so they're not a danger to others, but really aren't worth prosecuting.
Yeah, if the police detain you to a drunk tank, you've been arrested. If they just think you're being a nuisance for being intoxicated, they issue a 'public intox' ticket. Either way, courts and fines are in your future. Interactions with police rarely ends with out some sort of dip into your wallet.
Fun fact, if you are arrested while in possession of any kind of narcotics, most departments will place you in the drunk tank as well until you are arraigned.
> It's akin to pulling away the seat of a teacher who wants to sit down.
You're right, it is. You don't get arrested for pulling away the seat of a teacher who wants to sit down. You might get detention, but if that's the only bad thing you've ever done, you'll probably get let off with a warning.
Un, this isn’t really like the others though. Making a JavaScript pop up, blowing up a building in a video game, and then your link is threatening to kill their teacher and then plotting a terrorist attack along with coconspirators in another country…
I live in Japan and I've read enough horror stories between the police and foreigners that I'd just like to say, don't mess with police here. They are very nice and polite, until they are not. They have been under heat multiple times for apparent human rights violations, which include indefinitely detaining people until they confess of the accused crime.
Another beautiful quirk of Japanese law is that you can be held liable for crimes even if you have absolutely nothing to do with them, just by virtue of being family of the person who committed them, like in train suicide [1] or having some (even fairly removed) family member who was in the Yakuza
I mean humans are humans and I think wanting to be a police office attracts a certain type of person where the per capita of "nice" goes way down vs the general population.
The first place most foreigners will get a taste of that (or at least where I got a taste) is the policeman with a very long stick standing on a small, raised platform in the train station below the Narita International Airport.
Yea I guess it's big relative to the batons I see police in the US and Europe carrying, but not absurdly big. It was large enough that it looked like it would be awkward to use with any amount of precision.
EDIT: read the article in chrome's reader mode, thanks for the tip!
I don't know about police, but the most unpleasant experience I've ever had at any immigration was in Japan.
They were NOT polite. Even if they found nothing wrong.
US immigration is a day at the spa in comparison. Even when the consulate messed up my fingerprints. Cleared up in under two hours, they were cold but polite the entire time - not angry and disrespectful.
After I was finally allowed in Japan, 4 hours after I had arrived - thanks to my uncle, a Japanese citizen - everything went fine. Nice people, spent three months there.
I'd like to visit again, but I'm dreading the immigration experience.
I've only been to Japan once, but immigration for me (a white male Brit) was no different to Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore etc, just a smile and a stamp.
Israel is the only real place I've had more than a "purpose of visit" (although getting in is still far easier than getting out).
I went to the states last week to see some colleagues for the first time since 2019 - had to really bit me tongue not to say "Christmas Parties" instead of "Business Meetings", got prodded for a little more info from JFK immigration (a "Law Enforcement professional" from the "Washington DC area" also checked my profile on linked in after I applied for my ESTA)
Def sounds like a bad apple/case, I've come into Japan probably around 10-15 times now and it's always been a pleasure, while in the US it's always been more scary with all the questioning and shouting (4-5 times).
> Japanese authorities sentenced a 24-year-old man to one year in prison, suspended for three years, despite the man making only $45 from his exploits.
> Japanese police have brought in, questioned, and charged a 13-year-old female student from the city of Kariya for sharing browser exploit code online.
>Japanese police also arrested a 17-year-old boy in February 2018 for creating malware that stole the passwords of cryptocurrency wallets, and another 14-year-old in June 2017, for creating ransomware, and later sharing the code online, despite the teen never using the ransomware in any attacks, and later admitting to having created it as a curiosity.
Insane huh! This will not solve the problem, but will just increase police hostility. No wonder, why people disdain them.
Odd, just closing the tab is enough to get rid of the "menace". I tried this in Firefox on Linux (my "daily" browser), Chromium on Linux, Firefox on Android and Chromium on Android. Those browsers were around in 2019, they supported tabs. I know the Japanese police suffers from a lack of crime - a luxury problem if there is any - but this... is taking that suffering to an unfortunate conclusion.
Alternatively, IE6 is still big in Japan and this turns out to be quite effective in bringing it down.
Another stupid case by Japan local police (2018 Coinhive arrests) finally got not guilty on supreme court. The lawyer of the case suspected that cyber criminal arrest quota was assigned to police because Tokyo 2020 Olympic was incoming and cyber criminal was a concern. Stupid bureaucracy system.
I wouldn't be so quick to think this isn't also illegal in the USA. For instance, it is illegal in Illinois to:
Sec. 17-50. Computer fraud.
(a) A person commits computer fraud when he or she knowingly:
(1) Accesses or causes to be accessed a computer or any part thereof, or a program or data, with the intent of devising or executing any scheme or artifice to defraud, or as part of a deception;
It could be argued that linking someone to the pop-up, making them think the site they were going to was normal, and then getting hit with an uncloseable pop-up was "a deception".
Kudos to the Japanese girl, I did the same thing once, wrote a three line BASIC program that printed "Your computer has a virus" repeatedly and the school admin panicked and shut down the computer lab for a week, giving us all extra time to write our papers. I didn't expect that but I gladly accepted the extra time.
My best prank though was I had this one math teacher with short temper and a really nasty attitude, but almost no computer literacy. So one day I stopped by his computer and turned the bright setting on his monitor all the way down. The next day the school admin came by and tried to fix the computer and failed. A week later someone from the DOE came by and tried to fix the computer and failed. A week after that they put the monitor in a box and shipped it to IBM. About six weeks later the monitor came back from IBM, they unpacked it, made sure the computer booted to the DOS prompt, then walked away. On the way out of class I stopped by the computer, turned the bright setting all the way back down, and the whole cycle began again. Mr. McNasty had to manage things on paper that semester.
NYC 90s republicans would be proud of this extreme broken windows policy. Interestingly the murder rate in Japan is down 90% from the USA murder rate, while the GINI coefficient is 30 and 41 respectively.
There are many other factors that can account for a crime increase of course, but I wonder if this kind of policing is helping to keep crime down. And I wonder if Japanase think so and support these policies.
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[ 3.6 ms ] story [ 207 ms ] thread#!/bin/sh
perl -e 'push @big, 1 while 1' &; $0 &; $0
Further, what $0 holds is only a convention and up to the caller. If you are already restricting yourself to Bash, used ${BASH_SOURCE[0]} to always get the path to the script file.
But really, there is no need for a separate Bash version when the classic POSIX sh fork bomb already covers it (included in the repo as fork-bomb.sh):
(The link here doubles as an explanation and as a warning to anyone thinking about getting a forkbomb tattoo.)
GH pages link: https://hamukazu.github.io/lets-get-arrested/
or at least that’s what i managed on ios w/ firefox
I was unable to stop my own creation and had to ctrl-alt-del kill the browser - except that when I started the browser again, it went back to the last opened window.
It took a bit of work regaining control. I wish I had saved the code, although it wouldn't work today since browsers restrict window open/close these days.
It does have some Mozilla added plugins and syncs with Firefox logins, but the meat of the application isn't really "Firefox".
To quote Apple's iOS dev guidelines:
"2.5.6 Apps that browse the web must use the appropriate WebKit framework and WebKit Javascript."
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
This is like telling people that a lexus isn't a real luxury car, it's just a re-skinned toyota. Most people don't care- they just want materials, tech, and nice seats. The skin is the car
It might not seem relevant on the surface, but the underlying technical differences could pose an issue for certain user cases, thus it's an important consideration. Not all Firefox addons work with the iOS version just like not every Toyota dealership carries parts for a Zupr4.
Users dont care about the engine until they cant use some web based thing because apple has decided so.
How does the first sentence follow from the second? For almost all users, the engine is irrelevant, it's the chrome that matters.
My own primary reasons for using FF are 2 things:
1 - Use anything other than chromium simply to combat monoculture and preserve some possibility for things that Google and MS or other superpowers may not like and so won't be allowed in Chrome or Edge.
2 - For instance, actually functional, useful, powerful and and user-holds-the-power plugins, like ad-blockers that actually work and don't have un-closable whitelists for paying customers, page editors that can block or modify other things besides just ads like any sort of annoying thing like auto playing videos or chat popups etc. Url-cleaners that strip off all the tracking redirects in search result links and links in facebook comments etc.
Some of this kind of stuff is still possible in chrome/edge at least on the desktop, but only because there still is at least some small competition to compare to, and it gets a little worse every day, never better. Meanwhile I have at least some of this even on mobile. Some things if I can't get it in the normal FF, I can get them in whole other special purpose browsers, which couldn't be done with any browser at all on ios.
Much of this is core browser engine function, not just the visual style of the buttons.
The engine is all that matters to me. Certain sites work differently on different engines. The only reason I leave Safari is for a different engine that often works better on less popular or more niche sites (PKI and some other issues). I can't do that on my iPhone. I wish I could.
I know many people, not technologically inclined, that just try different browsers on their computers when a website doesn't work. They don't know they are trying different engines, they just know it works on their computer. They also don't know that this methodology doesn't work on iOS. They still try.
> …
> I know many people who…
Uh, why are the people you know more valid than the people I know?
Also no one brought up trying different browsers for compatibility reasons, and tbh, I don’t think anyone does that on their phone. It’s definitely the case that the two comments I’ve gotten are from people who personally care about the engine more than the chrome, but I’ve seen nothing to suggest the average person does.
I never made such a claim. I explained some subset of the population that is different than yours. I never made an assumption about the population as a whole, which “almost all users” from the original post does. I intentionally did not attempt to take my experience and claim it is representative of the population.
You further prove my original point by stating “tbh, I don’t think anyone does that on their phone.” You feel confident that your experiences represent the population that you can speculate about what they do? That you can speak for users in India, grandma’s in Indiana, and software engineers in Texas?
I see this logic often in policy debates and it affects outcomes which has the potential to hurt groups outside the advocate’s bubble, even with the best of intentions, simply because they think they understand the population, rather than being aware of how much they don’t know. Again, I never claimed you were right or wrong, I just pointed out you don’t have justifiable confidence, in a statistical sense, to make such claims.
there is no "Safari Webview" -- GP is being pedantic but he is right here. WKWebView is not Safari, anymore than Chrome was Safari before it forked off into using Blink. WebKit != Safari
[0] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sof...
Alternatively, open up the browser console and type `alert = undefined`
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/japanese-police-...
I frequently see the "Prevent this page from creating additional dialogs?" option in Chrome. Not sure why it doesn't happen here.
Maybe this entire incident was raised by an idiot opening it in a truly ancient browser?
There's more info from the law firm (in Japanese), but I really only know Japanese, not legalese. https://www.yokohama-park-law.com/news/20190529.html
At the time I knew only HTML so I was blown away by a web page "talking" to me, and by inspecting the source I learned about the script tag, alerts, prompts, loops and variables.
When it came out, the main browser was Internet Explorer, which became unresponsive until you got rid of all of the alerts. You could of course use Task Manager, or hold spacebar to go through them quickly, but most people didn't know that.
Edit: holy smokes it's still up!
http://mr.g.graham.tripod.com/
A visit was much more annoying in IE6 on Windows 2000, which had no way to escape the dialogues.
I believe the original domain was "themostannoyingwebsiteintheworld.com". I would wager it is now either SEOspam or squatted.
Ctrl+Alt+Del?
The beauty of this one was how easy it was to customize and send to someone. The sheer terror people would go through thinking it was a targeted attack when the popup, bouncing everywhere flashing at them calling them an idiot, has their name and stuff in the javascript alert that came up... it was just incredibly funny, especially if you just set it as something that opened from putting it in their 'startup' menu with a couple of minutes at their computer
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSgk7ctw1HY
I wonder now how did those things work. I guess back in time browsers allowed you to do whatever you wanted with zero consequences?
AFAIK it's to do with how compositing was done in windows. Every app drew to the same surface. If it couldn't redraw because it was frozen or whatever, then you'd see the remnants of what was previously drawn, hence the pattern.
I'm sure that was real popular in the office.
Why does it matter that what she did was a "simple" hack that didn't require exploiting fifteen CVEs at once?
It's akin to pulling away the seat of a teacher who wants to sit down.
Everybody is technically capable of pulling the seat away, it does not require any special skills.
You still get in trouble if you do it.
[0]
No fun allowed I guess.
0: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/japanese-police-...
You dont usually go to jail for something that is immediately recoverable. (albeit embarrassing) .
Detention might be in order though. Maybe we need a computer hacker equivalent of the drunk tank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_tank
As a completely aside rant, we should levee a fee to alcohol companies to fund these drunk tanks, it makes no sense for that to be taxpayer/police budget funded.
What you said might work where you are though.
Fun fact, if you are arrested while in possession of any kind of narcotics, most departments will place you in the drunk tank as well until you are arraigned.
You're right, it is. You don't get arrested for pulling away the seat of a teacher who wants to sit down. You might get detention, but if that's the only bad thing you've ever done, you'll probably get let off with a warning.
https://samy.pl/myspace/
https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/61/
Personally not sure if I’d take an internet ban over jail time if I had his passion+acumen for cybersec…
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/10/russia-sentences-t...
Another beautiful quirk of Japanese law is that you can be held liable for crimes even if you have absolutely nothing to do with them, just by virtue of being family of the person who committed them, like in train suicide [1] or having some (even fairly removed) family member who was in the Yakuza
[1] https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/families-fined-for-su...
EDIT: read the article in chrome's reader mode, thanks for the tip!
They were NOT polite. Even if they found nothing wrong.
US immigration is a day at the spa in comparison. Even when the consulate messed up my fingerprints. Cleared up in under two hours, they were cold but polite the entire time - not angry and disrespectful.
After I was finally allowed in Japan, 4 hours after I had arrived - thanks to my uncle, a Japanese citizen - everything went fine. Nice people, spent three months there.
I'd like to visit again, but I'm dreading the immigration experience.
Israel is the only real place I've had more than a "purpose of visit" (although getting in is still far easier than getting out).
I went to the states last week to see some colleagues for the first time since 2019 - had to really bit me tongue not to say "Christmas Parties" instead of "Business Meetings", got prodded for a little more info from JFK immigration (a "Law Enforcement professional" from the "Washington DC area" also checked my profile on linked in after I applied for my ESTA)
It's called "hostage justice" by critics
> Japanese police have brought in, questioned, and charged a 13-year-old female student from the city of Kariya for sharing browser exploit code online.
>Japanese police also arrested a 17-year-old boy in February 2018 for creating malware that stole the passwords of cryptocurrency wallets, and another 14-year-old in June 2017, for creating ransomware, and later sharing the code online, despite the teen never using the ransomware in any attacks, and later admitting to having created it as a curiosity.
Insane huh! This will not solve the problem, but will just increase police hostility. No wonder, why people disdain them.
Any pointer ?
Alternatively, IE6 is still big in Japan and this turns out to be quite effective in bringing it down.
Sec. 17-50. Computer fraud.
It could be argued that linking someone to the pop-up, making them think the site they were going to was normal, and then getting hit with an uncloseable pop-up was "a deception".My best prank though was I had this one math teacher with short temper and a really nasty attitude, but almost no computer literacy. So one day I stopped by his computer and turned the bright setting on his monitor all the way down. The next day the school admin came by and tried to fix the computer and failed. A week later someone from the DOE came by and tried to fix the computer and failed. A week after that they put the monitor in a box and shipped it to IBM. About six weeks later the monitor came back from IBM, they unpacked it, made sure the computer booted to the DOS prompt, then walked away. On the way out of class I stopped by the computer, turned the bright setting all the way back down, and the whole cycle began again. Mr. McNasty had to manage things on paper that semester.
There are many other factors that can account for a crime increase of course, but I wonder if this kind of policing is helping to keep crime down. And I wonder if Japanase think so and support these policies.