Ask HN: Quit caffeine? Before and after anecdotes
Have you completely cut caffeine out of your life? How did that affect your creativity, problem solving, programming skills, general mood, etc?
Asking because I’ve noticed a trend over my years of software that the best developers don’t drink coffee and don’t appear to consume caffeine in any other forms (at least not at work).
Just looking for anecdotes!
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[ 6.0 ms ] story [ 179 ms ] threadSurely there have been studies on the effects of caffeine on the things you list?
but statistics are only part of the story
Moreover, specific cases are what studies are based on. And studies are often flawed, wrong, or misleading. You can often learn more from a few honest, specific cases than you can from studies.
People who work in modern academia can attest to the fact that studies aren't reliable in general. Individual studies can can be reliable, but you have to really know the field and sometimes the specific researchers in order to know what's reliable and how to interpret it.
There should be a name for the fallacy that wrongly absolutely rejects specific cases in favor of "statistical data," but I don't know if there is one.
OP wasn't asking for statistics, or "the big picture". Of course anecdotes from other people can't really tell how things work for OP either, but I think they were looking for experiences that might be relatable.
Didn't seem to affect me negatively in any area.
The only times when I used caffeine in the past year was when I was sleep deprived(I rarely am now), and in that case modafinil is way more effective.
So I quit entirely for medical reasons. No caffeine + medication has entirely eliminated my physical symptoms of anxiety. I definitely miss it sometimes though, I feel like I am still more groggy in the mornings than I used to be.
I felt very relaxed for much of the time, though anxiety never fully left. Much more productive in the late afternoons when I'd normally crash. Probably a bit less productive but not worried about being less productive.
In the end I went back. I guess for the taste and the ritual, but partly I think there is a net productivity gain when one consumes mild caffeine and isn't too anxious in general.
I also learned caffeine stays in my system much longer than I thought it did. I try very hard not to have any caffeine after 11am.
With regard to mood, removing caffeine was one element of eating healthier generally. This has stabilized my mood greatly. I've been much less prone to the occasional days/weeks of depression.
Since I didn't feel better and I like coffee, I started drinking that again.
For example I like beer and wine a lot but I can go many weeks without drinking them. Coffee I drink everyday, because I want to of course
Now that said, when I was younger I didn't have that problem and caffeine was a powerful tool in my toolbox for maximizing performance. Definitely glad to have it when needed.
The solution for me was moderation. Two cups a day, and no cup after 3:30pm (or rather that’s the latest time I allow myself to start drinking my last cup). Makes them more special, too.
And with two cups a day, “withdrawal” really isn’t a big factor. There are (rare) times where because of different circumstances I forget to/can’t drink coffee before my self-imposed deadline (for sleep), and I’ll be a bit more tired and a bit sad that I have to wait for my next coffee…
The one lasting thing I've noticed is my tolerance. I've never been able to reset back to a "pre coffee" level where I could have like 200mg and be absolutely wired. It goes down, but nowhere near as much. Maybe 6 months isn't a long enough break...
I occasionally do hot chocolate instead which is equally as good thus the caffeine may not be required.
When I’m underslept my mood is significantly worse. I am one of the most consistently happy people I know.
If I need a cognitive boost I take Alpha GPC.
I started it on my way out of the religion and realized it could even benefit what we called spiritual revelation experiences. Which was funny.
After first experiments I quit a few times but didn't notice that not using was an advantage in any way, unless I was using too much caffeine in certain specific circumstances.
After that I measured my dosages more directly and tried different stacks alongside. 2:1 L-Theanine is by far my favorite to use with caffeine.
At night I stick with a homemade cacao drink for the theobromine and maybe some cinnamon.
The best benefits to my creativity, problem solving, and coding were along the lines of learning about my psychology though, not caffeine and stuff like that.
For one, caffeine can stimulate the imagination but it's crucial to be able to recognize how and when to consciously use the imagination for personal benefit. Otherwise...what do you need to imagine, for work? You can get caught out by beginner questions like that, so you are stuck in your past even with the caffeine. Caffeine has no user manual for really leveraging the psychological effect at a subjective level, which sucks :-)
Good luck in your search.
For the record (mainly for other people that may read this) it's not "caffeine" that the Church disallows, it's "hot drinks" which are commonly interpreted as tea and coffee. Since caffeine is a main ingredient, many believers (especially more Conservative and/or descendants of Mormon pioneers) believe that caffeine is the reason behind the ban on coffee/tea. Many others however believe caffeinated sodas are ok (I drank gallons of diet coke). Caffeine pills are a little more questionable but a personal decision. The Church mainly focuses on avoiding things that are addictive, which caffeine definitely is (even though many people are in denial :-D)
If you're going to take caffeine, 2:1 L-Theanine to Caffeine is absolutely amazing. I used Jet-Alert and Jarrow Formulas L-Theanine. Four Sigmatic mushroom coffee is also phenomenal. I also for a little while took a product that I think was called "Focus Now" on Amazon that is just 2:1 in a capsule, but I can't find it anymore now and the order history points to which is a bit more expensive: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0173H5QVU/ref=ppx_yo_dt...
When I was in the bishopric there was an article in the Ensign magazine discouraging energy drinks, written by a Mormon doctor. This was also used by me and other local leaders to teach against caffeine.
Addictive substance theory is a bit strange to me these days though; for example back when I suffered from severe mental health conditions, my psychiatrist said I didn't have an addictive personality. I since did some research and wrote a bit about it on a continuum with detachment.
https://www.friendlyskies.net/maybe/for-those-detachers-for-...
One thing to note is that once you quit you will not be able to really use caffeine effectively at the same level you are currently using it.
I recently had some caffeine, and after being off it for so long, it was actually very unpleasant. I felt like a cpu that got overclocked and was overheating. It didn't really make me any more productive, it just made feel like wow I'm really up right now, too far up and I want to be back to normal, but I can't until the caffeine passes through my system. And just that feeling of being trapped in the "high" and being unable to get out was very disturbing to me personally.
But last year I went on a vacation and didn't drink coffee at all that week. No problems, so I don't know what happened the first time.
It took me a really long time to realize that it might be related to the caffeine. I tapered myself down by using Excedrin (65 mg per pill) and Jet-Alert (100 mg per pill) and cutting the pills smaller each day. If you're disciplined you can do that and not experience too much discomfort.
I also used "de-caffeinate"[1] which seemed like it helped, especially before bed to sleep, but I'm not positive.
[1]: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01997EVNG/ref=ppx_yo_dt...
Often along with dark chocolate or something else sweet.
Drink about 6 cups of coffee a day, starting around 9am. Last cup around 10pm. Love the creative process of development combined with coffee!