I read similar info from a French TV, the title of the documentary reads:
`"War in Ukraine: Anne-Laure Bonnel "where I am (Donbass) the bombings are Ukrainians"`:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdETdJfYDhw
That's very different from what we can read from the mainstream media and social networks nowadays. Anyone who knows French can confirm that?
We all know what the mainstream opinions are like now, and I came across this FoxNews interview with Colonel Douglas MacGregor (retried, US army), and he had a bit different view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lasT-5Mrpk
the difference between polarizing forces & a polarizing central government could not be more real, obvious, painful, & marked to me.
there are plenty of radical & extremist forces within America but they are engaged in the great-but-often-shitheaded debate. no voices are censored, even lowlifes propogandists are simply expelled from major content networks not repressed by the state nor the economy: we permit them their squalid shitty, existence as radical extremists within our nation. any voice is allowed. the penalties are nil.
it's chaos & hell, but a far less small minded & dogmatically regressive form of hell. how anyone cant tell the differnce is a sad sad sign to me. what about this info authoritarian-fascist state of being isnt fucking crystal god damned clearly far far far worse? the western states do not have violently intolerance towards outside views & delusional state-insisted upon views. the west keeps letting even the most base speak, does nothing. the west understands that cultural victories are not truly attainable by force. this article is all about a state that has hyped up and worshiped force & the state as the absolute, as the only power worth of respect, & it shows how far those sodden idiots fall for their state-sponsored delusions. i see no parallel.
disreality is rampant within the united states, but it is not state-enforced. there-in lies a key difference. we have a critical culture which attempts to check ourselves. this is a Hard problem, but one we are engaged in, struggle for. all views must support themselves amid the debate. China doesnt have any such nuance, doesn't permit cultural engagement.
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Slurs like that will get you banned here, regardless of what country you have a problem with, how strongly you feel, how much propaganda you feel there is, or how much you "regret saying this".
I know there's a war going on, but that is no reason to trash this place; it's a reason to consciously take better care of it. It does no good to set the house on fire, especially when there are other people present.
If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting, we'd appreciate it. Note this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."
Edit: we've been having to ask you this kind of thing for many years:
it seems clear & obvious to you what is ok & what is not, i feels like. but it's rarely felt like the 0.002% (number picked out of air) of posts i make that you find unacceptable are so clearly unobjectionable to me (some are, but usually when the other party is doing worse offense). i have taken critical umbrage with issue after issue, with low behavior after low behavior, and you keep snubbing me in ways i don't fully understand.
i can be 80% on your side here, 80% see where you come from & see my mistake. but i also 20% don't see it clearly. this practice of you threatening me to kick a generally well behaved, contributory citizen off for 0.002% of my posts seems unfair. i've emailed numerous times asking for you to clear my name, to reset the strikes, to undo the years of rate-limiting you've kept me under, but this system seems headed only in a bad direction. and you offer no peace, no way to serve time, no way to pay my debt: i can only head towards worse, under increasing threat. this sucks dang. this is awful. i'm sorry i keep violating your expected standards, but i also don't think humanity will ever resolve themselves to your satisfaction adequately, i don't think anyone with heart & soul & feelings can de-risk themselves sufficiently to insure they never breach your protocols.
there has to be some carrot here. you have to let ills be forgiven. i had >two years of total peace, and you dinged me a bunch right around one of the most contested, emotional political events of probably both of our lives so far. your scale is off base sir. you need to figure yourself out better.
I'm always happy to try to explain the intended spirit of this site, and how we interpret the guidelines, as best I can. But posting "what a shit country" isn't a borderline infraction—how do you think HN users from that country are going to feel when they read such a thing?
From your comment here, it sounds like you might be feeling that moderation is somehow personal towards you. I can tell you for certain that that's not the case. But I'm not sure what else to add that would make you feel better. I don't see any emails from you in the archive, so if you've emailed many times, you must not have mentioned your username.
There's lots of forgiveness - we don't want to exclude anybody who sincerely wants to use the site as intended. At the same time, your 0.002% argument doesn't work when it comes to breaking the rules, for the same reason you can't get out of a speeding ticket by saying "I drive below the speed limit 99.998% of the time".
As a Chinese, I have to say that there are many Chinese who have no principles and no capacity for empathy. Many Chinese are social Darwinists, even though they are at the bottom, but they think completely from the point of view of the rulers. Although there are quite a few Chinese who are against the war and stand with Ukraine. But most of these posts were deleted by the government-controlled social media, so it looks like most of the Chinese are on the side of Russia. As a Chinese, I am very ashamed to live in the same country as these people.
>many Chinese who have no principles and no capacity for empathy.
I disagree.
Many Chinese have no false illusions about the history of NATO provocation and belligerence. Many of their parents and relatives died defending their own country and borders from the same NATO countries. They can smell the bullshit in the prevailing western narrative about this conflict.
The fact that NATO would seriously arm Ukranian Nazis, Wahabist Terrorists, Mujahadeen, ISIS, and other dangerous groups just for the sake of destablization and a temporary upper hand in conflicts/resources-wars is not commendable and extremely immoral.
The millions of innocent civilians that die due to this immorality and lack of consideration from NATO are almost completely ignored by western audiences. Most Chinese do not ignore these civilian deaths, which is why I expect they are taking the positions they are.
You can't post like this to HN, even if you belong to the group that you're denouncing. I realize it's much more complex in the latter case, and often comes from noble motivations: the wish to see the other side, and to acknowledge the faults of one's own side. But those are subtle distinctions that don't help when the substance of the comment is pure flamebait.
The elephant in the room. Hope to see more light brought to this topic. I believe Anti-US sentiment in China might be at an all-time high and it is only getting flamed by their government.
My contrarian view—the biggest winner of Russian sanctions won’t be Ukraine, it will be China. And perhaps that is why they are choosing to propagate pro-russia sentiment inland.
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in it, they falsely claim that Ukraine did genocide in Donbass and there was a mass burial site for 30k victims.
I really hope to translate them and get these shitty things exposed under the sunlight.
Ukraine's victory will slap their faces hard.
That's very different from what we can read from the mainstream media and social networks nowadays. Anyone who knows French can confirm that?
Anyone think if the Colenel's point of view firm?
this is how i feel about the US
there are plenty of radical & extremist forces within America but they are engaged in the great-but-often-shitheaded debate. no voices are censored, even lowlifes propogandists are simply expelled from major content networks not repressed by the state nor the economy: we permit them their squalid shitty, existence as radical extremists within our nation. any voice is allowed. the penalties are nil.
it's chaos & hell, but a far less small minded & dogmatically regressive form of hell. how anyone cant tell the differnce is a sad sad sign to me. what about this info authoritarian-fascist state of being isnt fucking crystal god damned clearly far far far worse? the western states do not have violently intolerance towards outside views & delusional state-insisted upon views. the west keeps letting even the most base speak, does nothing. the west understands that cultural victories are not truly attainable by force. this article is all about a state that has hyped up and worshiped force & the state as the absolute, as the only power worth of respect, & it shows how far those sodden idiots fall for their state-sponsored delusions. i see no parallel.
disreality is rampant within the united states, but it is not state-enforced. there-in lies a key difference. we have a critical culture which attempts to check ourselves. this is a Hard problem, but one we are engaged in, struggle for. all views must support themselves amid the debate. China doesnt have any such nuance, doesn't permit cultural engagement.
If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
I know there's a war going on, but that is no reason to trash this place; it's a reason to consciously take better care of it. It does no good to set the house on fire, especially when there are other people present.
If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting, we'd appreciate it. Note this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."
Edit: we've been having to ask you this kind of thing for many years:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29516434 (Dec 2021)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28959342 (Oct 2021)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24724259 (Oct 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24522504 (Sept 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24512910 (Sept 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24423885 (Sept 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15324842 (Sept 2017)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13264446 (Dec 2016)
I don't want to ban you, but if you keep this up we'll end up having to, so please fix this.
i can be 80% on your side here, 80% see where you come from & see my mistake. but i also 20% don't see it clearly. this practice of you threatening me to kick a generally well behaved, contributory citizen off for 0.002% of my posts seems unfair. i've emailed numerous times asking for you to clear my name, to reset the strikes, to undo the years of rate-limiting you've kept me under, but this system seems headed only in a bad direction. and you offer no peace, no way to serve time, no way to pay my debt: i can only head towards worse, under increasing threat. this sucks dang. this is awful. i'm sorry i keep violating your expected standards, but i also don't think humanity will ever resolve themselves to your satisfaction adequately, i don't think anyone with heart & soul & feelings can de-risk themselves sufficiently to insure they never breach your protocols.
there has to be some carrot here. you have to let ills be forgiven. i had >two years of total peace, and you dinged me a bunch right around one of the most contested, emotional political events of probably both of our lives so far. your scale is off base sir. you need to figure yourself out better.
I'm always happy to try to explain the intended spirit of this site, and how we interpret the guidelines, as best I can. But posting "what a shit country" isn't a borderline infraction—how do you think HN users from that country are going to feel when they read such a thing?
From your comment here, it sounds like you might be feeling that moderation is somehow personal towards you. I can tell you for certain that that's not the case. But I'm not sure what else to add that would make you feel better. I don't see any emails from you in the archive, so if you've emailed many times, you must not have mentioned your username.
There's lots of forgiveness - we don't want to exclude anybody who sincerely wants to use the site as intended. At the same time, your 0.002% argument doesn't work when it comes to breaking the rules, for the same reason you can't get out of a speeding ticket by saying "I drive below the speed limit 99.998% of the time".
I disagree.
Many Chinese have no false illusions about the history of NATO provocation and belligerence. Many of their parents and relatives died defending their own country and borders from the same NATO countries. They can smell the bullshit in the prevailing western narrative about this conflict.
The fact that NATO would seriously arm Ukranian Nazis, Wahabist Terrorists, Mujahadeen, ISIS, and other dangerous groups just for the sake of destablization and a temporary upper hand in conflicts/resources-wars is not commendable and extremely immoral.
The millions of innocent civilians that die due to this immorality and lack of consideration from NATO are almost completely ignored by western audiences. Most Chinese do not ignore these civilian deaths, which is why I expect they are taking the positions they are.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
My contrarian view—the biggest winner of Russian sanctions won’t be Ukraine, it will be China. And perhaps that is why they are choosing to propagate pro-russia sentiment inland.