> To humans, the Joro Spider isn’t particularly dangerous. A bite won’t kill you. It’ll hurt, though. A lot. Imagine a bee sting. It’ll hurt where you were bitten with a blister. Within a day, you’ll be fine.
They are beautiful, but they don't come one at a time. They make their thick webs _everywhere_ and in big groups. You can't escape them during spider season.
The whole article is a bit tongue-in-cheek, with it's references to "terrifying" even though it also says they're harmless. And the end, where he says to build a dome over GA now before it's too late, etc. I laughed out loud a little at that last bit.
So I think the plague reference was meant as another way to exaggerate the severity of the situation for humorous effect. That was my take anyway.
The whole article is a bit tongue-in-cheek, with it's references to "terrifying" even though it also says they're harmless
A spider the size of the palm of your hand sounds pretty terrifying to me no matter how harmless it is, but then I really don't like spiders of any size.
Having come across them in Japan many times, they can get as big as 10 cm across. Slightly less than a hand, but still extremely distressing when you run face-first into one.
Some jerk is going to bring spiders and it will turn out that they're perfectly adapted to the Martian environment and it will just become the spider planet.
I was shocked to come back and now find 17 points on it. Some people are absolutely petrified by spiders, and I take great joy in taking the harmless ones and letting them crawl on my hands and so on. They're a very polarizing creature
They're trying to make it sound terrifying in a fun way (I think, maybe sarcastic). It's under a heading of "Other terrifying things to know about the Joro spider" along with a bunch of other facts that are not at all terrifying.
By far the most successful invasive arthropod in the Nearctic is the European honeybee, but you never really hear anyone talk about the considerable ecological harm those do, for the obvious reason that their agricultural and thus economic utility is considered far to outweigh the externalities of their cultivation.
Man, these things are annoying. I think I live in an area where they really started taking off, because I've seen them the last two or three summers. It seems like they are more and more every year. They make huge webs (like up to 6 ft huge, with single webs going out even further) right at or above eye level and then just sit in the middle of them. When hiking or biking trails you have to constantly keep an eye out for them or you'll constantly be walking into them.
I pruned trees in Kununurra, Northern Australia, and there was a spider in each tree we’d cut (500/day). Harmless or not, they tend to climb once they’re on you, so those of us who are afraid of spiders would just let them climb and shook our hats while proceeding to the next tree. Yes, climb across the face. The leader didn’t bother, so spiders would fight on his hat.
Awesome experience, but a few people harmed during the summer, mostly because of the tools (and one by bees, one by green caterpillars, one by dehydration after going to work by 40°C after a night drinking - so basically all their faults as long as you value yourself). Said boss had prison experience. I tend to believe Gen Y misses the year of military service and tend to replace it with similar experiences, and the gap year in Australia is toughening for the office monkey and the nerds we were. 100% would do it again.
You'd be disappointed. Orb weavers see quite poorly, and rely on their webs as their primary sensory modality for perceiving their surroundings. This is why they spend so little time off the web, and also why male spiders pursue such slow and painstaking courtships, plucking the web with enormous care to ensure their prospective partner recognizes their approach rather than mistaking them for prey.
Your description helped me realize these are the spiders I was constantly dodging on trails outside of Puerto Vallarta last year! The webs were usually over my head on the trails, but I imagine that's only because of trail usage.
Those might have been banana spiders / golden orb weavers, which are native to the southeast US down to northern South America. They have the same web-building habit as described.
As someone from near Kentucky, I hate Banana spiders. They aren’t mean, but they are terrifying if you’re scared of spiders and unlike the spiders in the OP they will bite.
Sounds reminiscent of banana spiders here in Florida -- aka golden orb weaver or golden silk spider. They do the same thing with their webs, which can also be hard to see due to the coloring. (The "golden" is due to the silk's yellow color, not the spider's.)
"The study found that despite their similarities, the Joro spider has about double the metabolism of its relative, has a 77% higher heart rate and can survive a brief freeze that kills off many of its cousins. These findings mean the Joro spider’s body functions better than its relative in a cold environment.
And that means the Joros can likely exist beyond the borders of the Southeast."
Huh. I have those around and didn't even know they bit. Had one living in my screened patio a week or so ago, but I think it finally figured out that it wasn't going to catch much there...
Like most spiders they tend to avoid humans. But if your chore growing up is to clean up all the rotting oranges you're going to be in their territory a bit and the bites are really uncomfortable.
The worst part was the pain would last a few hours.
Nah. Not enough oxygen in the atmosphere to support terrestrial arthropods much larger than the ones that currently live on Earth, or Jorō spiders would be much less remarkable for their size - there's only so much you can do with the relatively simple means of oxygenation that arthropods have thus far evolved.
A shame, if you ask me. Social wasps are already quite smart despite having only a few hundred thousand neurons apiece to work with; I think I'd quite like to live in a world where the largest hornets were perhaps dog-sized, with brains to match, or indeed much larger still. If nothing else, maybe people wouldn't so often look at me funny for how well I get on with wasps and spiders, as if there were some absurd betrayal of essential humanity in the simple act of not being frightened by animals compared to even the largest of which we may as well be so many walking mountains.
No one has proven that they got all the 2021 murder hornets yet either, so expect more good news on the horizon. I fully expect to see a murder hornet fly by battling a Joro spider trying to web it up this spring.
No no, the murder hornets and spiders are supposed to distract each other so that the bear-sharks can finally rise from the depths and conquer the mainland.
Sparrow hornets and orb weavers aren't too likely to interact.
In theory the spider might prey on the hornet, but sparrow hornets are large and strong enough that I suspect it would take a very busy spider to envenom one, and avoid being stung in the process, before the hornet broke free of the web. Too, wasps and hornets see much more acutely than many realize, and likely have a decent chance of seeing and dodging webs - I did once see a bumblebee caught in a red orb weaver's web, but never yet a wasp or hornet, for whatever that's worth. (I have seen a drunk bald-faced yellowjacket sleeping it off on my porch, with an orb weaver web in direct line between her and the fig tree, but I don't know that she didn't get there before the spider had spun her web for the night.)
Sparrow hornets also aren't known yet to have made it east of the Rockies, and the intervening terrain would be very difficult for them at least, more likely impossible. That said, they and Jorō spiders hail from much the same origin and may regularly share territory, in which case their relationships are probably fairly well known - I'd likely be able to say more here, except that I don't read Japanese and thus can't review the relevant literature.
I know this article and the comments are pretty light about this, but I really do wonder what they eat and what we're eventually going to hear about being muscled out of the local ecosystems as a result of their success. At least their introduction wasn't intentional, which tbh is kind of scary in itself.
All I could find is that we know they eat brown marmorated stink bugs[0].
"Joro spiders also appear to be able to capture and feed on at least one insect that other local spiders are not: adult brown marmorated stink bugs, an invasive pest that can infest houses and damage crops."
Just like the salmon brought into the Great Lakes to take on the alewives. Which were brought in to take on the zebra muscles[0]. Which came in [bilges from ships?].
I remember visiting the Lake Michigan dunes in Indiana in the 70s, only to encounter what appeared to the small me to be mountains of dead alewife. Ten years later, my grandfather took me salmon fishing there. I'd imagine that by now, the ecosystems of the Great Lakes bear little resemblance to what they contained 200 years ago. Sad in a way, but the whole of Earth seems destined to becoming a single, climate-based ecosystem. Island ecologies may survive for a few centuries, but the main continents are going to become very consistent, with all the world-champion species holding sway.
> In June 1935, 102 cane toads were imported to Gordonvale from Hawaii
> Since their release, toads have rapidly multiplied in population and now number over 200 million (...) but also no evidence indicates that they have affected the cane beetles for which they were introduced to prey upon.
There is some good news there. From an article posted in a different comment: "Joros don’t appear to have much of an effect on local food webs or ecosystems, said Andy Davis, corresponding author of the study and a research scientist in the Odum School of Ecology. They may even serve as an additional food source for native predators like birds." [0]
Here in GA, there are already multiple types of orb weaver and these are in the same niche with one exception: they will also eat stink bugs. There are also many birds who eat the orb weavers and will also eat the Joros. They basically slide right in without too much serious impact.
It’s interesting to see the vivid colors that they evolved to develop. Could it be they were mimicking poisonous spiders? To prevent predators from eating them.
A couple years ago I was in Tokyo and even just going up Takaosan I could see the pathway up was surrounded by what looked like these guys everywhere, you could look up and see a bunch just floating on their webs above the trail. Even on such a well traveled path you could just graze the flora on the side and you would pick up some web threads.
The thought of just going slightly off the path and basically being covered by them made me shudder.
Not sure why the article describes these as harmless? If one of them parachutes down on to my face, I'm sure I'll die of a heart attack - hopefully a quick death.
Oh man, you aren't alone. This is nightmare fuel. I would move away from the area guaranteed just to escape the possibility. As far as I know, my only fear is spiders and it makes up for being blasé about almost everything else. I still check my room before I get into bed because 2 years ago a House Spider (about the size of a pint glass hole) was on the headboard as I was minding my own business in bed. Not too long ago I had a nightmare about that. Never mind it's parachuting yellow brothers from the sky being a thing. No way.
Only young juveniles balloon; on the one hand it's how they disperse from their natal web, and on the other only a very tiny spider is light enough to balloon at all. You probably wouldn't even notice if one landed on you.
In any case, they're a lot more scared of us, and fairly so - imagine Cthulhu peering into your bedroom window, and you've got a fair picture of what it's like to be a spider who's suffered the mishap of somehow attracting human attention.
Which would avail you nothing, most likely, and this is by way of being my point: it may possibly ameliorate your fear to try to understand what an interaction between a human and a spider might be like from the spider's perspective.
I see spiders as biological robots, I don't feel the need to take on their perspective. I will scoop them up with a cup and notecard, but that's as much consideration as they're getting from me. My cat is a monster by way of comparison, and ruthless to any bugs who dare venture inside if I don't get to them first.
I think I understand why so many humans share this kind of attitude, explicitly or otherwise, but it's no less borne of culpable ignorance for that. I've made friendly acquaintance with wasps, and met spiders who proved smarter than some humans I've known, and there's nothing about those statements that should be surprising; the only reason it is, is because so few humans bother to pay any kind of real attention to the life with which we share this planet, and those few of us who do take an interest not purely motivated by selfish utility are regarded by the rest as creepy and weird.
Maybe if we took the time to get a little less bad at that, we'd get a little better at keeping healthy the ecosystems on which we also depend for survival. It's nice to think so, anyway, not that it matters; apparently it's much more important to us to go on thinking we're somehow special, privileged to dispose of all life on this planet and the planet entire as if we need never fear the slightest consequence. Hasn't this kind of foolishness already got us in enough trouble? Don't you think it'd be a good idea if we didn't keep it up and buy ourselves even more?
Now this is some top tier virtue signalling, good lord, get over yourself. Killing a couple bugs in your house is perfectly fine. Parent even tries to let them out and that's not even good enough for you because they might harm a goddamn bug.
Virtue signaling, hell - it's not as if I'm vegan, or even vegetarian; I value the lives of wasps and spiders, and couldn't give a damn about pigs or cows. Not a great fan of factory farming, but mainly because it's a blight on the landscape; it'll go on in any case whether or not I partake of the proceeds, so I see no reason not to get the benefit.
Everybody draws their own lines, is all, and this is one of mine.
Yep, the almost absurd level of anthropomorphism is borderline brobdingnagian. It's like he's living in his own insufferable version of charlotte's web.
It's hard to avoid the instinct to swat when something crawls or buzzes on you.
Not sure it's a species thing though. I wouldn't jump to murder but I might swat at an uninvited person I found spinning silk behind my washing machine.
I notice this whenever I try to pick up a spider and bring it outside the house. They want to jump off my hand as quickly as possible, and descend to the ground on a strand of silk. They have no interest in biting etc.
So the best way to bring them outside is to put a plastic cup over the spider, then carefully slide a postcard underneath the cup, and then release it outside.
I avoid that because it risks harming the spider - the cup/card interface is basically one giant moving pinch point, and the force required to cause traumatic amputation is insignificant by human standards. But they can only secrete silk so quickly, which makes the escape thread itself very serviceable as a means of carrying them to safety - just raise your hand gradually as they extend the thread, so they don't touch down until you want them to.
It depends on the spider, too. Orb weavers are reliably fearful, which makes sense given how little they can perceive away from a web, but I've had the occasional salticid climb up to perch on my knuckles with no sign of dismay, and wait to hop off until I bring my hand close to a suitable surface.
Sorry dude, I'm giving them a chance with the cup and junk mail method. I'm not carrying one by the "silk". Nature is ruthless and I'm giving them a fighting chance :)
The hell of it is, I have to respect this perspective at least a tiny bit, however unwillingly, because at least you apparently don't default to wholesale murder the way people typically do. Congratulations on clearing the lowest possible bar, I guess? But you're talking to someone who once spent half an hour at the kitchen table carefully disentangling a mud dauber who'd stumbled into a blob of cat fur and couldn't free herself on her own, and then gave her a drop of sugar water and hand-carried her outside. That's my default when it comes to these small, smart animals who face danger from us through no fault of their own, and I really don't know what more can be fairly expected of me here.
I think I read somewhere that they have a tendency to leap onto objects passing underneath them that are several thousand times their mass and try to spread throughout the land.
Is the TFA implying that these spiders will climb the trees and use their webs to lower themselves from "the sky"? Because "drop from the sky" brought back memories of original Red Alert 2 trailer https://youtu.be/2YlVumsPHx4?t=80, which is now relevant even without the spiders. And it's scary.
A young spider makes a long silk string, which will be blown by the wind, together with the attached spider.
Like a human who flies using a balloon, the spider does not have any control over the flight direction. That depends on the winds.
However, the spider can control when to descend back to the ground, by gathering the silk string, like the human with the balloon, who can release the gas which fills the balloon.
You'd hope the spiders will feast on other exotic invasive insects like Spotted Lanternfly and Gypsy Moths but inevitably they will eat everything local instead.
Spiders are venomous to insects. Actually, that venom is basically saliva, if I remember correctly, designed to digest the prey not to kill it (like us, spiders digest in part outside of their body - we cook, they inject their saliva).
> Of around 50,000 spider species known, only about 25 (1/20 of 1%) have venom capable of causing illness in humans
I once walked down a street that had hundreds of them. Being bored and interested in spiders, I picked up a twig to provoke them a bit and see how they responded.
Some of them would furiously try to bite the stick and I could feel their fangs scraping on it. So I can’t quite say whether they’re strong enough to break the skin, but they’re strong enough to send vibrations down a 2 foot long stick.
I think they're quite common in rural villages in Korea, but I never heard anyone poisoned by them. You are probably safe. (Now, murder hornets are a different story...)
I'm of course happy to know they're harmless and (as far as we can tell) not horribly dangerous for the ecosystem, but speaking as someone who
A) has arachnophobia and a general fear of insects, and
B) lives completely alone and can't get someone else to deal with stuff like this for me,
would someone who lives in Georgia be willing to confirm to me whether or not they come into houses, and how serious of a game plan I need to make for dealing with them?
I deal with house centipedes/crickets[0] with Raid and then scooping up the body after they're dead. Setting up bug barriers, keeping things clean, and keeping down any other insect populations that they'd feed on seems to deal with most everything else. Tiny bugs like boxelder bugs show up rarely, and are small enough that I can squish them without much trouble, but anything bigger than an inch is tough to deal with.
So if I'm likely to find one of these on my wall in my living room (even just occasionally), I legitimately need to plan ahead and figure out a one-person strategy for killing/moving them out of my house in a way that it isn't traumatizing, and if conventional bug barriers don't work to keep them out then I need to figure out something else for reducing the likelihood of them coming in the house.
If they're just outside, that's not so much of a problem, big bugs are fine outside, although it'll likely put a bit of a damper on my willingness to go hiking in wood trails given people's descriptions of the webs.
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[0]: Yes, I know house centipedes are positive predators to have around and shouldn't be treated as pests, but I need to be able to walk into my bathroom without worrying I'll find one on the wall.
You might want to look into 'bug grabbers'. We have one and it really does work as advertised. We use it regularly on large spiders, stink bugs, and occasional wasps.
Maybe silly question, but how do you get the insect back out in a controlled way? I assume they don't die inside of there.
I have a vacuum with a detachable wand, but I've never really used it for insects because I always felt like... now what? Can't they just crawl back out?
Also slightly skeptical of a handheld grabber or my vacuum's ability to handle a 3 inch spider, but maybe I'm overestimating their grabbing strength. I guess I could also upgrade.
I was visiting family in NE Atlanta last fall. These spiders were everywhere -- coating houses, trees, power lines. And yet, they do not seem to come into homes. Even the exterminators they called said so.
Assuming you're correct, hearing this genuinely makes me feel way better.
It's not even necessarily a complete avoidance thing -- seeing a large insect when I'm outside just feels different; it's something I'm more prepped for, I'm in a different mental state. Huge boon if I'll mostly only need to worry about them when biking/walking.
I live in SC and have seen some of these spiders. None of them have come inside our property, they like to build very large webs between trees and hangout there.
Orb weavers rarely enter human dwellings, although they do quite like porches for the combination of good web substrate and the prey-attracting effect of porch lights and lit windows.
I've only had an orb weaver in the house a couple of times, and once ushered back out they typically remain so. One of them, a young red orb weaver, abseiled down from the ceiling onto my bare shoulder - I'm not sure which of us was more surprised, but even if I didn't like spiders quite well in general, I think her evident terror upon realizing her mistake would have aroused some degree of sympathy.
Most spiders you'll encounter indoors in the eastern US will be cobweb spiders, of which family black widows are by far the most famous - but also very rare, with more typically encountered cobweb spiders being quite harmless to humans. (Of course, so are widows, when given proper respect, as with the one who overwintered behind the toilet tank one year when I was ten or so. She kept to herself and so did we, and we all got along fine - and they are such beautiful creatures!) Beyond that you can expect the occasional wolf spider, salticid, or the like, these being cursorial hunters and thus not so much homebodies as spiders generally tend to be.
Living away from a river/woods and keeping my house relatively bug free in general means that I generally don't see any large spiders in my house at all. Some of that might be due to declining insect populations though.
We had orb weavers all over our porch growing up, slightly terrifying to enter/leave the house if you're scared of them, you had to kind of walk through this tunnel of webs to get in and out. But I think a lot of their presence was environmental factors, being in a rural area right next to a river. If these follow the same rules, I'm relieved, I already mostly know how to manage orb weavers and how to avoid them.
> I think her evident terror upon realizing her mistake would have aroused some degree of sympathy.
Important to keep in mind that arachnophobia isn't really a rational thing; I can appreciate both the beauty and usefulness of some insects/spiders, and even have contexts where seeing them doesn't frighten me. If you're going to manage insect populations in a dwelling place you kind of have to be able to think about them as being part of an ecosystem, you don't really have a choice.
But appreciating spiders or even admiring them doesn't change anything about fear of encountering them in certain situations. You can't logic your way out of an irrational fear, you just learn to manage it or you train yourself to deal with it or overcome it to at least some degree (depending on how far you're willing to go to change your instincts or avoid triggers). Telling yourself that they're not evil, or that they're harmless, or that they're more scared of you -- that stuff only really helps if those are the reasons you're afraid. But for most people, I think their reactions aren't really conscious or voluntary.
Another example is creatures like rodents. I keep pet rats, some of my relatives are pretty scared to be around them. It's not based on anything rational, they know the rats are harmless and cuddly and smart. It's just that they see the tail/hands and it freaks them out to be around them or to think about them. I'm not affected by that, I don't really understand the feeling because I don't feel any aversion to holding them or having them crawl around on me, my brain just registers them as cute. I never had to overcome anything to be able to hold them, my brain had the opposite reaction and immediately wanted to hold them as soon as I saw them. My family and I have the same information and understanding about rats, but for some of my family members there's a subconscious, emotional aversion that they have to overcome even to be in the same room, and for me there's just not.
I'm a little envious of people who don't have an innate fear of insects or instinctual fears around them. I've worked reasonably hard to get it to a manageable level where I can live alone comfortably and where I'm mostly not worried about insects most of the time, and it doesn't disrupt my life -- but that was difficult to do, it was a lot of work; definitely not quite as simple as just learning more about them.
I understand what you say about arachnophobia, but I also can't agree that
> appreciating them or even admiring them doesn't change anything about fear of encountering them in certain situations
because I used to be afraid of wasps and spiders, and what changed that was precisely the experience of being in close quarters with them and having opportunity to observe reactions ranging from total disinterest to mortal fear. Then I started chasing them around with a camera, in order to take macro shots from six inches away, and discovered that even in those circumstances they really couldn't care less about any human not actively antagonizing them - that the occasions of their lives mean as much to them as those of ours to us. There's a basis for empathy in that, strange as it may seem to say in respect of creatures so superficially different from us.
I suppose this is what they call "exposure therapy", when it's done deliberately rather than by happenstance. But whatever we call it, I just couldn't stay scared of these tiny animals that so determinedly and reliably did absolutely nothing to suggest they had any interest in even trying to do me what trivial and evanescent harm they possibly could. After that, it was no great stretch to notice how beautiful and intelligent they actually are.
On reflection, if anything it's odd that I ever did become afraid of wasps and spiders. After all, one of my earliest memories is that of sitting on the tailgate of my mom's truck, watching with quiet but avid interest as a mud dauber picked daintily along the slice of pizza I was holding. I also wasn't kidding when I talked elsewhere in this thread about the black widow who set up shop behind our toilet tank a few years later - that literally happened, and while perhaps I might've done my daily business elsewhere had another bathroom been available, there wasn't and it took me no real time to become entirely accustomed to the circumstance. I don't know what changed to induce in adulthood a fear that in childhood I cannot ever recall experiencing, but that's all the more reason for me to think this kind of fear must be amenable to revision.
I understand not everyone who experiences such fear will choose to try to revise it, but my experience makes it impossible for me to conclude other than that this is, however implicit, a choice. Losing that fear has certainly made me a happier person, both for its own sake and in that it's made me more able to appreciate beauty than I was before. But perhaps I've not sufficiently considered the good fortune I had in stumbling by happenstance into circumstances that made it possible for me to understand - made it impossible not to understand - how absurd that fear really was. Absent that, I don't know if I'd ever even have thought to try.
I mean, great, but... that's not how it works for everyone. Exposure therapy/desensitization isn't about learning a fact, it's about retraining an instinct. Not sure what I can say to convince you that I don't secretly think that spiders are malicious.
That's not to say that a phobia can't be changed; exposure therapy/desensitization/etc are all real things (both formal and informal, and both deliberate and accidental), and my arachnophobia today is not as bad as it used to be growing up. But that improvement didn't come from an intellectual process, it came from a bunch of regular hard work, practice, small exposures, and small victories to try and rewire instinctive responses in my brain, and it was (and continues to be) a very long process. If I could just stop being afraid of spiders by reading a science book or just deciding to think about them differently, then I would have already done that when I was 12 -- but fear response to a phobia isn't a conscious decision, it's an involuntary response to a stimulus, and that involuntary response for some people can be completely disconnected from their conscious thoughts about what is happening. For example, thalassophobia doesn't mean that someone hates the ocean or that they can't think it's beautiful/majestic; it just means they have a fear response when exposed to deep water.
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Looks like they'd make for some cool photos.
https://jorospider.com/are-joro-spiders-dangerous/
Nope, not a season I will formally acknowledge.
I'll take second and third winter, please.
Seems like an odd choice to compare a spider and the Bubonic plague. Wouldn't any number of invasive species have been better?
So I think the plague reference was meant as another way to exaggerate the severity of the situation for humorous effect. That was my take anyway.
A spider the size of the palm of your hand sounds pretty terrifying to me no matter how harmless it is, but then I really don't like spiders of any size.
I'm booking a one way trip to the North Pole or wherever these flying spiders aren't.
Looks like we're both signing up for the first one-way trip to Mars.
Until one crawls across the windshield of your car whilst driving.
I'm glad I was the driver when it happened. I can still remember the screams of my then co-pilot, however. She definitely had arachnophobia.
By far the most successful invasive arthropod in the Nearctic is the European honeybee, but you never really hear anyone talk about the considerable ecological harm those do, for the obvious reason that their agricultural and thus economic utility is considered far to outweigh the externalities of their cultivation.
Edit: There's a pretty good example picture of the webs in the UGA article mentioned by the main article: https://news.uga.edu/joro-spiders-likely-to-spread-beyond-ge...
I know now from the article that they're harmless, but as a mild arachnophobe the experience was highly unpleasant.
Awesome experience, but a few people harmed during the summer, mostly because of the tools (and one by bees, one by green caterpillars, one by dehydration after going to work by 40°C after a night drinking - so basically all their faults as long as you value yourself). Said boss had prison experience. I tend to believe Gen Y misses the year of military service and tend to replace it with similar experiences, and the gap year in Australia is toughening for the office monkey and the nerds we were. 100% would do it again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichonephila_clavipes
https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/in467
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichonephila_clavipes
https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/in467
"The study found that despite their similarities, the Joro spider has about double the metabolism of its relative, has a 77% higher heart rate and can survive a brief freeze that kills off many of its cousins. These findings mean the Joro spider’s body functions better than its relative in a cold environment.
And that means the Joros can likely exist beyond the borders of the Southeast."
My least favorite Florida spider is also nonvenomous but I used to get bitten by the spiny orb weaver any time I was near a citrus tree.
The worst part was the pain would last a few hours.
A shame, if you ask me. Social wasps are already quite smart despite having only a few hundred thousand neurons apiece to work with; I think I'd quite like to live in a world where the largest hornets were perhaps dog-sized, with brains to match, or indeed much larger still. If nothing else, maybe people wouldn't so often look at me funny for how well I get on with wasps and spiders, as if there were some absurd betrayal of essential humanity in the simple act of not being frightened by animals compared to even the largest of which we may as well be so many walking mountains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9zxNLU-ei0
(the spider lost this round, apparently)
In theory the spider might prey on the hornet, but sparrow hornets are large and strong enough that I suspect it would take a very busy spider to envenom one, and avoid being stung in the process, before the hornet broke free of the web. Too, wasps and hornets see much more acutely than many realize, and likely have a decent chance of seeing and dodging webs - I did once see a bumblebee caught in a red orb weaver's web, but never yet a wasp or hornet, for whatever that's worth. (I have seen a drunk bald-faced yellowjacket sleeping it off on my porch, with an orb weaver web in direct line between her and the fig tree, but I don't know that she didn't get there before the spider had spun her web for the night.)
Sparrow hornets also aren't known yet to have made it east of the Rockies, and the intervening terrain would be very difficult for them at least, more likely impossible. That said, they and Jorō spiders hail from much the same origin and may regularly share territory, in which case their relationships are probably fairly well known - I'd likely be able to say more here, except that I don't read Japanese and thus can't review the relevant literature.
Globalism: it's for spiders, too.
"Joro spiders also appear to be able to capture and feed on at least one insect that other local spiders are not: adult brown marmorated stink bugs, an invasive pest that can infest houses and damage crops."
[0] https://news.uga.edu/joro-spiders-are-here-to-stay/
I remember visiting the Lake Michigan dunes in Indiana in the 70s, only to encounter what appeared to the small me to be mountains of dead alewife. Ten years later, my grandfather took me salmon fishing there. I'd imagine that by now, the ecosystems of the Great Lakes bear little resemblance to what they contained 200 years ago. Sad in a way, but the whole of Earth seems destined to becoming a single, climate-based ecosystem. Island ecologies may survive for a few centuries, but the main continents are going to become very consistent, with all the world-champion species holding sway.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=878434...
> In June 1935, 102 cane toads were imported to Gordonvale from Hawaii
> Since their release, toads have rapidly multiplied in population and now number over 200 million (...) but also no evidence indicates that they have affected the cane beetles for which they were introduced to prey upon.
[0] https://news.uga.edu/joro-spiders-likely-to-spread-beyond-ge...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portia_(spider)#:~:text=Portia....
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Golden_silk_orb-weaver
The thought of just going slightly off the path and basically being covered by them made me shudder.
Ah yes i heard of that, the Bubonic plague traveled in/on? shipping containers.
Is that a stupid AI or a stupid Human who writes articles like that?
"* They are bright yellow, black, blue, and red and can grow up to 3 inches.
* They likely traveled across the globe on shipping containers, similar to the Bubonic plague.
* Their life cycle begins in early spring, but they get big in June and are often seen in July and August.
* They're named for Jorōgumo, a creature of Japanese folklore that can shapeshift into a woman or spider before killing its prey."
Emphasis added.
In any case, they're a lot more scared of us, and fairly so - imagine Cthulhu peering into your bedroom window, and you've got a fair picture of what it's like to be a spider who's suffered the mishap of somehow attracting human attention.
Maybe if we took the time to get a little less bad at that, we'd get a little better at keeping healthy the ecosystems on which we also depend for survival. It's nice to think so, anyway, not that it matters; apparently it's much more important to us to go on thinking we're somehow special, privileged to dispose of all life on this planet and the planet entire as if we need never fear the slightest consequence. Hasn't this kind of foolishness already got us in enough trouble? Don't you think it'd be a good idea if we didn't keep it up and buy ourselves even more?
That's enough internet for me tonight.
Everybody draws their own lines, is all, and this is one of mine.
Not sure it's a species thing though. I wouldn't jump to murder but I might swat at an uninvited person I found spinning silk behind my washing machine.
Even if they did promise to eat bugs.
So the best way to bring them outside is to put a plastic cup over the spider, then carefully slide a postcard underneath the cup, and then release it outside.
It depends on the spider, too. Orb weavers are reliably fearful, which makes sense given how little they can perceive away from a web, but I've had the occasional salticid climb up to perch on my knuckles with no sign of dismay, and wait to hop off until I bring my hand close to a suitable surface.
This is not comforting.
> hatchlings are often spotted "flying" through the air on silk strands, a la the babies in Charlotte's Web
Like a human who flies using a balloon, the spider does not have any control over the flight direction. That depends on the winds.
However, the spider can control when to descend back to the ground, by gathering the silk string, like the human with the balloon, who can release the gas which fills the balloon.
Those who fly using silk strings are very young and small.
Yeah, I guess that counts as a "terrifying thing" if you consider those the two things on earth that travel across the globe on shipping containers.
I thought the whole "small fang" thing was a myth? Haven't we all heard of a local spider which is very poisonous but has fangs that are too small?
Does anyone know if the "small fang" thing is true? And does the spider have venom if it is able to bite?
Virtually all spiders are venomous, but many can't penetrate human skin and many have venom that isn't dangerous to humans at the dosage injected.
> Of around 50,000 spider species known, only about 25 (1/20 of 1%) have venom capable of causing illness in humans
From: https://www.burkemuseum.org/collections-and-research/biology...
Some of them would furiously try to bite the stick and I could feel their fangs scraping on it. So I can’t quite say whether they’re strong enough to break the skin, but they’re strong enough to send vibrations down a 2 foot long stick.
A) has arachnophobia and a general fear of insects, and
B) lives completely alone and can't get someone else to deal with stuff like this for me,
would someone who lives in Georgia be willing to confirm to me whether or not they come into houses, and how serious of a game plan I need to make for dealing with them?
I deal with house centipedes/crickets[0] with Raid and then scooping up the body after they're dead. Setting up bug barriers, keeping things clean, and keeping down any other insect populations that they'd feed on seems to deal with most everything else. Tiny bugs like boxelder bugs show up rarely, and are small enough that I can squish them without much trouble, but anything bigger than an inch is tough to deal with.
So if I'm likely to find one of these on my wall in my living room (even just occasionally), I legitimately need to plan ahead and figure out a one-person strategy for killing/moving them out of my house in a way that it isn't traumatizing, and if conventional bug barriers don't work to keep them out then I need to figure out something else for reducing the likelihood of them coming in the house.
If they're just outside, that's not so much of a problem, big bugs are fine outside, although it'll likely put a bit of a damper on my willingness to go hiking in wood trails given people's descriptions of the webs.
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[0]: Yes, I know house centipedes are positive predators to have around and shouldn't be treated as pests, but I need to be able to walk into my bathroom without worrying I'll find one on the wall.
I have a vacuum with a detachable wand, but I've never really used it for insects because I always felt like... now what? Can't they just crawl back out?
Also slightly skeptical of a handheld grabber or my vacuum's ability to handle a 3 inch spider, but maybe I'm overestimating their grabbing strength. I guess I could also upgrade.
We have picked up wolf spiders of that size with it. The spider reflexively plays dead and gets small but runs off on release.
It's not even necessarily a complete avoidance thing -- seeing a large insect when I'm outside just feels different; it's something I'm more prepped for, I'm in a different mental state. Huge boon if I'll mostly only need to worry about them when biking/walking.
I've only had an orb weaver in the house a couple of times, and once ushered back out they typically remain so. One of them, a young red orb weaver, abseiled down from the ceiling onto my bare shoulder - I'm not sure which of us was more surprised, but even if I didn't like spiders quite well in general, I think her evident terror upon realizing her mistake would have aroused some degree of sympathy.
Most spiders you'll encounter indoors in the eastern US will be cobweb spiders, of which family black widows are by far the most famous - but also very rare, with more typically encountered cobweb spiders being quite harmless to humans. (Of course, so are widows, when given proper respect, as with the one who overwintered behind the toilet tank one year when I was ten or so. She kept to herself and so did we, and we all got along fine - and they are such beautiful creatures!) Beyond that you can expect the occasional wolf spider, salticid, or the like, these being cursorial hunters and thus not so much homebodies as spiders generally tend to be.
We had orb weavers all over our porch growing up, slightly terrifying to enter/leave the house if you're scared of them, you had to kind of walk through this tunnel of webs to get in and out. But I think a lot of their presence was environmental factors, being in a rural area right next to a river. If these follow the same rules, I'm relieved, I already mostly know how to manage orb weavers and how to avoid them.
> I think her evident terror upon realizing her mistake would have aroused some degree of sympathy.
Important to keep in mind that arachnophobia isn't really a rational thing; I can appreciate both the beauty and usefulness of some insects/spiders, and even have contexts where seeing them doesn't frighten me. If you're going to manage insect populations in a dwelling place you kind of have to be able to think about them as being part of an ecosystem, you don't really have a choice.
But appreciating spiders or even admiring them doesn't change anything about fear of encountering them in certain situations. You can't logic your way out of an irrational fear, you just learn to manage it or you train yourself to deal with it or overcome it to at least some degree (depending on how far you're willing to go to change your instincts or avoid triggers). Telling yourself that they're not evil, or that they're harmless, or that they're more scared of you -- that stuff only really helps if those are the reasons you're afraid. But for most people, I think their reactions aren't really conscious or voluntary.
Another example is creatures like rodents. I keep pet rats, some of my relatives are pretty scared to be around them. It's not based on anything rational, they know the rats are harmless and cuddly and smart. It's just that they see the tail/hands and it freaks them out to be around them or to think about them. I'm not affected by that, I don't really understand the feeling because I don't feel any aversion to holding them or having them crawl around on me, my brain just registers them as cute. I never had to overcome anything to be able to hold them, my brain had the opposite reaction and immediately wanted to hold them as soon as I saw them. My family and I have the same information and understanding about rats, but for some of my family members there's a subconscious, emotional aversion that they have to overcome even to be in the same room, and for me there's just not.
I'm a little envious of people who don't have an innate fear of insects or instinctual fears around them. I've worked reasonably hard to get it to a manageable level where I can live alone comfortably and where I'm mostly not worried about insects most of the time, and it doesn't disrupt my life -- but that was difficult to do, it was a lot of work; definitely not quite as simple as just learning more about them.
> appreciating them or even admiring them doesn't change anything about fear of encountering them in certain situations
because I used to be afraid of wasps and spiders, and what changed that was precisely the experience of being in close quarters with them and having opportunity to observe reactions ranging from total disinterest to mortal fear. Then I started chasing them around with a camera, in order to take macro shots from six inches away, and discovered that even in those circumstances they really couldn't care less about any human not actively antagonizing them - that the occasions of their lives mean as much to them as those of ours to us. There's a basis for empathy in that, strange as it may seem to say in respect of creatures so superficially different from us.
I suppose this is what they call "exposure therapy", when it's done deliberately rather than by happenstance. But whatever we call it, I just couldn't stay scared of these tiny animals that so determinedly and reliably did absolutely nothing to suggest they had any interest in even trying to do me what trivial and evanescent harm they possibly could. After that, it was no great stretch to notice how beautiful and intelligent they actually are.
On reflection, if anything it's odd that I ever did become afraid of wasps and spiders. After all, one of my earliest memories is that of sitting on the tailgate of my mom's truck, watching with quiet but avid interest as a mud dauber picked daintily along the slice of pizza I was holding. I also wasn't kidding when I talked elsewhere in this thread about the black widow who set up shop behind our toilet tank a few years later - that literally happened, and while perhaps I might've done my daily business elsewhere had another bathroom been available, there wasn't and it took me no real time to become entirely accustomed to the circumstance. I don't know what changed to induce in adulthood a fear that in childhood I cannot ever recall experiencing, but that's all the more reason for me to think this kind of fear must be amenable to revision.
I understand not everyone who experiences such fear will choose to try to revise it, but my experience makes it impossible for me to conclude other than that this is, however implicit, a choice. Losing that fear has certainly made me a happier person, both for its own sake and in that it's made me more able to appreciate beauty than I was before. But perhaps I've not sufficiently considered the good fortune I had in stumbling by happenstance into circumstances that made it possible for me to understand - made it impossible not to understand - how absurd that fear really was. Absent that, I don't know if I'd ever even have thought to try.
That's not to say that a phobia can't be changed; exposure therapy/desensitization/etc are all real things (both formal and informal, and both deliberate and accidental), and my arachnophobia today is not as bad as it used to be growing up. But that improvement didn't come from an intellectual process, it came from a bunch of regular hard work, practice, small exposures, and small victories to try and rewire instinctive responses in my brain, and it was (and continues to be) a very long process. If I could just stop being afraid of spiders by reading a science book or just deciding to think about them differently, then I would have already done that when I was 12 -- but fear response to a phobia isn't a conscious decision, it's an involuntary response to a stimulus, and that involuntary response for some people can be completely disconnected from their conscious thoughts about what is happening. For example, thalassophobia doesn't mean that someone hates the ocean or that they can't think it's beautiful/majestic; it just means they have a fear response when exposed to deep water.
Pet chickens will also clean any surface of arthropods and remove the offenders. You'll need a chicken diaper, of course.