Come on you guys - users obviously do that because they want to be helpful to readers. If you look through mitchbob's comments it's not hard to find perfectly legit posts on other things, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30435861
What could possibly make you think that this was a phishing attempt?
Because you are a xenophobic asshole and think all Russians are evil hackers trying to steal your data? It’s really sad to see such nastiness rearing it’s head on HN.
top.mail.ru is a huge analytics platform, exactly like google analytics, run by the biggest tech company in Russia.
Yes, it's hard to give the poster benefit of the doubt.
I haven't run https://top-fwz1.mail.ru/js/code.js myself but a quick glance at it seems to indicate that it tries to harvest data from the page (references to "gender", "age", etc) and some shady-named variables like "bait". Also a function that fetches data from top-fwz1.mail.ru and then tries to submit a hidden 1px*1px form created in an iframe using this data and who knows what else.
All other archive.ph links from the poster seem to contain the same JS code from mail.ru, which makes it either doubly suspicious, or just means their computer or network is infected with something that injects it into their pages, who knows.
See my other comment though, it seems like the injection is performed by archive.ph itself. I tried to archive simply my own blog (a very simple page without any JS) and the script gets injected there as well.
So it might just be a coincidence that mitchbob happens to be the one who posted a link where that script gets noticed. It's hard to know for sure of course.
I've seen it and only flagged posts with [comments by the same author with links to] malicious content. It doesn't matter whether user is affiliated with this content's host or phishing campaign since this is most of his HN activity. This should stop even if is unintentional.
If you think someone's doing something wrong, email the mods. You can't be starting some innuendo campaign and vote brigading against some user just because you have a bad feeling about their posts, that's in the guidelines.
I've flagged malicious content and don't consider this brigading. When I saw that this isn't a problem with a single account, I made a Tell HN[1] 20 minutes ago to tell both mods and the community to exercise caution.
Again, if you think someone is doing something wrong, do what the guidelines tell you and email the mods. Same goes for voting stuff. Tell HN doesn't tell the mods anything, they don't see every post and comment.
archive.is and its variants have been a popular way to link to archived articles on HN, and elsewhere, for years now.
There's no reason to believe that mitchbob was doing anything other than trying to be helpful to users. Tons of legit HN users do that. Let's not pick on one to make a witch out of.
Fuck, have you never seen an analytics script before?
>All other archive.ph links from the poster seem to contain the same JS code from mail.ru, which makes it either doubly suspicious, or just means their computer or network is infected with something that injects it into their pages, who knows.
This is top.mail.ru, a very common analytics platform not different from google analytics. Archive.today uses it.
What’s the purpose of this witch hunt? Xenophobic bullshit over the .ru TLD?
There's a persistent belief on the Internet that if something is literally true under some strained reading, it cannot be said to deceive. It can.
To "make" roast chicken, unless it specifically says otherwise, implies cooking it, either on its own, or as a prominent and relevant step. "It's the literal truth, I never said 'cook'" is sophistry.
This is a popular way to cloak misinformation to get it deeper into social networks. Even blatant lies often get pretty deep, but the thing to realize is that the push-back often happens when a more knowledgeable monitory notices an issue and gets loud about it. So you craft miss-information in such a way that it contains a reading where it is true. This reading is not the intended reading, clearly, it only exists to pacify a critical monitory and only when it arises (you have to stick to the original talking points otherwise). Problem solved. Now, rather than your misinformation being blatantly called out the pushback dovetails into plausibly deniable existence of multiple readings, the ill-intent behind that, and which fraction of the community probably consumed which reading... None of these spin-offs are juicy enough to go as viral as your initial message and therefore counter it so your messaging wins handily.
So, "I use salt to make roast chicken" implies you are roasting it with salt? Its called context and comprehension, who believes you can ROAST (prolonged exposure to heat in an oven or over a fire) chicken with a hair dryer
"Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did.
"Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills."
And in this thread specifically, you're complaining about (so far) 11 people who found this interesting enough to upvote. Maybe for its content, or maybe hoping the content/title would spur interesting conversation about cooking techniques. Or maybe half of them were mis-clicks. Regardless, it's only "up in the top" of HN because the site cleverly has a few front-page slots for rotating stories that are relatively new and have a handful of upvotes, to see if a brief front-page exposure is enough to get traction, or if it stays a low number of upvotes it's very quicky back to it's rightful place in the queue. (Disclaimer, that's my memory of how it's been described, may not be exactly accurate.)
This is a completely appropriate article for HN, and I’m glad I caught it on hckernews.com since it was flagged. Quick read, learned something on the subject of chicken skin science, funny, and mostly about a hack!
What’s more of a hack than using a hair drier in the kitchen? Or using three chopsticks instead of two? (Stallman’s OG interview on “hacker” culture mentions this).
Illustrates one of the big underlying principles of good cooking: moisture management. In this case, removing excess moisture from the outside of something, so that the roasting process can most effectively make it crispy.
The same technique could be applied during the preparation of roast potatoes (after par-boiling), or pork crackling ('rind', as it's known in some countries), for other examples.
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[ 4.8 ms ] story [ 72.1 ms ] threadBecause you are a xenophobic asshole and think all Russians are evil hackers trying to steal your data? It’s really sad to see such nastiness rearing it’s head on HN.
top.mail.ru is a huge analytics platform, exactly like google analytics, run by the biggest tech company in Russia.
I haven't run https://top-fwz1.mail.ru/js/code.js myself but a quick glance at it seems to indicate that it tries to harvest data from the page (references to "gender", "age", etc) and some shady-named variables like "bait". Also a function that fetches data from top-fwz1.mail.ru and then tries to submit a hidden 1px*1px form created in an iframe using this data and who knows what else.
All other archive.ph links from the poster seem to contain the same JS code from mail.ru, which makes it either doubly suspicious, or just means their computer or network is infected with something that injects it into their pages, who knows.
So it might just be a coincidence that mitchbob happens to be the one who posted a link where that script gets noticed. It's hard to know for sure of course.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30670319
There's no reason to believe that mitchbob was doing anything other than trying to be helpful to users. Tons of legit HN users do that. Let's not pick on one to make a witch out of.
>All other archive.ph links from the poster seem to contain the same JS code from mail.ru, which makes it either doubly suspicious, or just means their computer or network is infected with something that injects it into their pages, who knows.
This is top.mail.ru, a very common analytics platform not different from google analytics. Archive.today uses it.
What’s the purpose of this witch hunt? Xenophobic bullshit over the .ru TLD?
To "make" roast chicken, unless it specifically says otherwise, implies cooking it, either on its own, or as a prominent and relevant step. "It's the literal truth, I never said 'cook'" is sophistry.
"Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did.
"Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills."
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
And in this thread specifically, you're complaining about (so far) 11 people who found this interesting enough to upvote. Maybe for its content, or maybe hoping the content/title would spur interesting conversation about cooking techniques. Or maybe half of them were mis-clicks. Regardless, it's only "up in the top" of HN because the site cleverly has a few front-page slots for rotating stories that are relatively new and have a handful of upvotes, to see if a brief front-page exposure is enough to get traction, or if it stays a low number of upvotes it's very quicky back to it's rightful place in the queue. (Disclaimer, that's my memory of how it's been described, may not be exactly accurate.)
What’s more of a hack than using a hair drier in the kitchen? Or using three chopsticks instead of two? (Stallman’s OG interview on “hacker” culture mentions this).
I use it for all kinds of things:
Melting cheese on sandwiches. Adding a crust on Sous Vide meat. And roasting coffee.
Highly recommended.
The same technique could be applied during the preparation of roast potatoes (after par-boiling), or pork crackling ('rind', as it's known in some countries), for other examples.