Speaking as a Linux user, this is as significant as the first time I got sound to work. Flash on Linux (especially 64 bit) has been horribad. Hopefully it's less bad now.
To open standards? I uninstalled Flash a couple of weeks ago. That's the first step. Every few days I hit some video that I wish I could watch. Sometimes I reach for my iPad to watch it. You would think since I can watch it on my iPad, the site could detect that I don't have Flash and use another codec.
This boggles the mind. If they would just implement the renderer on top of OpenGL then they would get cross-platform hardware acceleration, even on mobile devices since a lot of them have OGL support these days. Considering that they still argue that they have a stable and optimized product, I'm forced to conclude that Adobe's staff are somewhat technically incompetent or that their Flash code base has a huge amount of technical debt.
Depends on the video, the CPU, the GPU, and how the video is displayed in Flash, but yes, it should work better, more often (though I'm not sure the 64-bitness is that relevant compared with the other stuff).
It is. The nspluginwrapper used to run the 32-bit Flash in a 64-bit Firefox (dunno if it also applies to other browsers) really slowed things down. I got much better performance running the 64-bit plugin, all other things -- including the Flash version number -- being equal.
Last I heard, the state of Linux drivers for hardware video decoding did not make it worth it to Adobe to support it. But that news is about 1.5 years old, so maybe it changed in the meantime.
Edit: Flash 11 youtube 360p is using 14% of my CPU. mplayer 480p uses 4%. shrug
Depends on your GPU and drivers. I don't remember the specifics, but I believe only (most?) the closed source drivers can support hardware acceleration.
It's not easy getting a 747 rumble out of a laptop. You're lucky, the sound is usually tinny.
But there's a difference between "stable" and the situation where the cpu does the grunt work for the video instead of your gpu hardware. If Adobe and Apple can play nice maybe they can assist each other in getting the above changed in order to lessen the load on your cpu. It's more a "flash meets mac" thing, meaning both sides could do well to help resolve imho.
Is this the first time you've circumvented the package management system? If you have done it before, maybe that's the cause of the pain now? Just guessing, since these things usually work without any complaint for me.
I think his point was that he followed the instructions, and they failed. If he had been using Windows, he'd have followed the instructions and succeeded. This is the problem with Linux.
FWIW, I currently run Ubuntu on my laptop, and very much like it, Windows 7 on my work desktop, and my previous laptop ran OSX.
It would be funny --- if it wasn't so tragic --- how much easier to use and manage free software is. Especially considering it's almost all just './configure ; make && make install' at the base level.
Not that you are one, but it's funny to watch Linux fanboys run into trouble with tasks that should be simple. It of course doesn't diminish their opinion of Linux being the greatest desktop by far.
Debian squeeze x64 user of Chrome with nvidia-* 260.19.44-1 drivers here.
For instance go to:
[url-redacted]
1. RBM on flash content, Settings. Now try to set anything with mouse (i.e. w/o using keyboard, especially Tab + Space).
2. RBM on flash content, Zoom in. How much of the view has been redrawn?
Now let's go to vimeo:
[url-redacted]
And HD video still doesn't play smoothly and it's sometimes off-sync. My desktop ([url-redacted]) surely isn't top-notch one, but outside of Flash world I can use it to watch 1080p50p video material, so something is wrong with Flash, and it's even worse in Linux department, unfortunately.
All of these things (1. + 2. + HD video) have been working for me for a long time. YouTube 1080p content works fine, though I kind of doubt it's using VDPAU, so it's bound to hit the CPU (4x 1.9GHz i5, hardly cutting edge) fairly hard. I'm using the 64bit flashplayer 11 from the sevenmachines ppa.
Are you using Chrome or Chromium? Chrome comes with its own flash version.
I use a beta version of Google Chrome (latest 15.0.874.81 beta) from official repo (deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main). I remember it was shipped with Flash, but it worked not as good as I would like it to, so I was using 64-bit betas (not great either, to be honest), IIRC by disabling Chrome's own Flash in about:plugins. Now looking there I see only one Flash plugin, which is the one installed in my system (Location: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so). So even if Chrome's custom Flash is better, as you imply, dunno how to turn it on for a test ride now.
I didn't mean to imply that Chrome's custom Flash is better. I have no idea if it is since I run Firefox (typically) and Chromium (rarely). Like I said, I use the 64bit Flash player from the sevenmachines ppa (Ubuntu 11.04).
I can't bear the pretentiousness of this video. The filler clips are so overdone, from the high-aperture clip of the can of Canada Dry Ice and whatever else it was by the guy's computer mouse to the nerf guns to the shot of a very typical Command Prompt screen in Matrix green. They're trying so hard.
I remember installing Flash on Debian about 4 years ago and wishing there was a 64 bit version so I didn't have to clutter up the system with another version of Firefox or the 32bit bridge libraries. Glad to see that this was resolved though.
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[ 4.4 ms ] story [ 102 ms ] threadYou can download the yum repo/apt repo files as well as the rpm and tar.gz files from here: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
Edit: or on the page linked above, click the grey almost-hidden download button on the right.
For example, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQiUP2Hd60Y
Edit: Flash 11 youtube 360p is using 14% of my CPU. mplayer 480p uses 4%. shrug
I'm not joking.
And i'm not joking either. Flash is the main cause of browser instability and RAM hogging.
And this without even getting started on security.
But there's a difference between "stable" and the situation where the cpu does the grunt work for the video instead of your gpu hardware. If Adobe and Apple can play nice maybe they can assist each other in getting the above changed in order to lessen the load on your cpu. It's more a "flash meets mac" thing, meaning both sides could do well to help resolve imho.
- Firefox asked me whether I wanted to launch the 'apturl' tool. I accepted its suggestion.
- I got a dialog saying "This will enable the Canonical Partners repository". I'm pretty sure I already had it enabled, but sure, what the hell.
- I got the usual 'downloading updated package lists' dialog.
- I got an error dialog complaining that 'adobe-flashplugin' is a purely virtual package.
And that was that.
Guess it's back to trusty ol' tarballs.
I did backup the old plugin though, just in case.
I also tried just updating Chrome, which is supposed to have the newer flash version, but it didn't have it. Not sure why..
FWIW, I currently run Ubuntu on my laptop, and very much like it, Windows 7 on my work desktop, and my previous laptop ran OSX.
I friggin' love pacman.
- Go to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
- Select Linux
- Select YUM
- Install the RPM it gives me
- `yum install flash-player`
Flawless.
Debian squeeze x64 user of Chrome with nvidia-* 260.19.44-1 drivers here.
For instance go to:
[url-redacted]
1. RBM on flash content, Settings. Now try to set anything with mouse (i.e. w/o using keyboard, especially Tab + Space).
2. RBM on flash content, Zoom in. How much of the view has been redrawn?
Now let's go to vimeo:
[url-redacted]
And HD video still doesn't play smoothly and it's sometimes off-sync. My desktop ([url-redacted]) surely isn't top-notch one, but outside of Flash world I can use it to watch 1080p50p video material, so something is wrong with Flash, and it's even worse in Linux department, unfortunately.
Are you using Chrome or Chromium? Chrome comes with its own flash version.
Also
reveals nothing.https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash
Just because he's dead doesn't mean the rest of us don't still want your proprietary garbage off the web. We've seen the future, and it's not yours.
The iPhone Simulator gets my MacBook Air "sounding like a 747" as well. Since it isn't made in Flash, I'm left to conclude that: