So... people imitate the posting patterns of legitimately afflicted by schizophrenia people? To defend themselves against capitalism? Wait, did I just fall for one such post?
I don't think you've exactly fallen for one such post, although, it's hard to say.
However, I think that if you were to look for it, you'd find a lot of this stuff. Psychedelic culture, anarchist culture, etc are heavily wound up in this kind of dis-communication. It's culture jamming.
If you're confused by it, that's the point. Is it effective? Could it possibly accomplish anything?. Probably not, except that it makes the writers feel more free.
I was going to post a response to this arguing that it isn't really culture jamming, but I'm not 100% sure.
A great deal of 4chan "schizoposting" reads (to me) like normal shitposting mixed with with the "chaotic energy" of actual sufferers of schizophrenia, like Terry Davis. There's also an incel/"NPC" element, where people suffering from extreme isolation de-realize the others around them to rationalize their perceived harms. Mixed together, it's less "dis-communication" or culture jamming and more a confused complex of digital alienation. But maybe that's just alienation under capitalism, and brings us right back to culture jamming.
> So when people come up with labels like 'schizopost' or 'word salad'
"word salad" is not a label made up by dumb people, it's generally a alternate term for schizophasia. It's also a very old term. Whether dumb people repurposed it or not is another question. Speaking from personal experience, word salad is generally not controllable and not a pleasant thing that you would "want" to use to express yourself, you generally want to stop and regain control of yourself but simply can't or have already given up hope of regaining control over your speech patterns. It's generally not very pleasant and despair inducing, and you get very lost and fall into a, well, kafka-esque nightmare (/me looks at my name).
> Disorganized thinking (speech). Disorganized thinking is inferred from disorganized speech. Effective communication can be impaired, and answers to questions may be partially or completely unrelated. Rarely, speech may include putting together meaningless words that can't be understood, sometimes known as word salad.
> In very severe cases, positive thought disorder manifests as unintelligible speech in which neither the individual words nor the sentences being strung together seem to correspond to any discernable overall meaning – ‘word salad’ or schizophasia, e.g. “Oh, it [life in a hospital] was superb, you know, the trains broke, and the pond fell in the front doorway” (McKenna & Oh 2005), or “They’re destroying too many cattle and oil just to make soap. If we need soap when you can jump into a pool of water, and then when you go to buy your gasoline, my folks always thought they should, get pop but the best thing to get, is motor oil, and, money. May may as well go there and, trade in some, pop caps and, uh, tires, and tractors to grup, car garages, so they can pull cars away from wrecks, is what I believe in. So I didn’t go there to get no more pop when my folks said it. I just went there to get a ice-cream cone, and some pop, in cans, or we can go over there to get a cigarette” (Andreasen 1986).
But seriously it doesn't make much sense to me, but that actually might be a comprehension problem on my part. It does sound very trolly. Thanks for warning me :)
Someone who is poor at communicating blames people for not understanding their bad communication; claiming labels are bad whilst labeling and being utterly dull.
Insofar as "schizoposting" is a made up term, it's largely made up by its practitioners. I'm not attempting to make any particular normative statement by continuing to use their choice of word.
I don't think that the person who wrote this is dumb. I think they're probably misinformed, have developed a myopic reactionary bent, and are probably trying to express sentiments that English doesn't really have a great vocabulary for yet. That's not a new theme in history!
You've hit on what I danced around, and have exposed why I am now so against this kind of thing:
It's unwillful dis-communication. It is wretched and hateful.
One can spout forth unstructured writing that is abstract, confusing, but also beautiful, uplifting: something that draws you in and smothers you with warmth and living heat.
Alternately, there is dis-communication which proactively deconstructs, intelligently dissolving the stuff of thought into a primordial goo from which new life can spring.
This type of thing is none of that. It is a moaning for death.
The author is reading a script. In the second sentence, you proved his point.
Also, as someone who had depression at one point and has an anxiety disorder that is medically treated, but not cured, yes, people with anxiety disorders cannot think coherently. One of the many symptoms of panic includes the inability to use your brain. Think dear in the headlights type stuff.
Anxiety disorders are a part of much of the world, FYI, so people with an anxiety order aren't rare by any means.
Schizopost: A made up term for insecure laymen who cannot comprehend that sentences and paragraphs can have multiple methods of being written, whilst still being completely comprehendible to people other than themselves.
Synonyms: Word Salad.
Antonyms: N/A, yet. Give it time, these idiots will come up with something.
You don't understand what schizoposting is. It's not whatever pseudointellectual gibberish you wrote up top. It's a drawing of a crazed gunman aiming at children getting off a bus, but calling the children gangstalkers and the school bus a surveillance van. It's a mix of sardonic and absurd humor.
There is a saying about writing, you are allowed to break the rules provided your errors are consistent. Randomly messing up there and their just makes you look stupid.
A simple example of schizoposters are the people who think proprietary software is the devil, and is spying on them, and has backdoors, etc. They have a twisted, warped view of reality.
Yes, sorry, I meant "why". Quite an annoyance for those of us who idly highlight stuff while reading.
I hadn't heard of Kagi. I haven't found meta search engines like Duckduckgo to give me as good results as Google (or as Startpage, which just uses Google). Is Kagi better in that regard? Looks like it requires an invite though, and will eventually be paid.
I only switched to Kagi yesterday. So far so good, this search was a very good example.
I also tried DDG for a while but for me Google worked better.
Kagi is not a meta one, I believe, but I do not know much more. Yes, I got an invite some days ago. Maybe because I signed up for it a while ago, but I do not remember.
I do not mind paying for a search engine that actually works. I value my time. Google nowadays reminds me of Altavista back in the day. Lots of results but mostly irrelevant.
Small data point: on some parts of 4chan, calling people schizos is basically the new way to call out some trolls/haters that rely on wild theories and stuff like that. Considering there are multiple archives, it's probably easy to retrace the origins of the terms and their usage. The article engages in wild speculations, so I'll do the same here: I think part of the idea is removing the intention in other people. Trolls choose to be trolls, people suffering from schizophrenia don't choose this. Outside of that, it's the classic "framing people a certain way to dismiss what they say instead of replying to the arguments", which is already what's done when calling someone a troll.
Another way the schizo stuff/aesthetic manifests itself is through memes. There's the trollge, the "I hate the antichrist" stuff, and now you can see some of the influence in the sigma/incel memes.
I always wonder if people are studying this seriously, and if it's worth studying seriously. Does this stuff has any influence? Does this have any meaning? Is there a precise origin that tells a lot about society or people? Or is it just because it's funny?
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If you're confused by it, that's the point. Is it effective? Could it possibly accomplish anything?. Probably not, except that it makes the writers feel more free.
A great deal of 4chan "schizoposting" reads (to me) like normal shitposting mixed with with the "chaotic energy" of actual sufferers of schizophrenia, like Terry Davis. There's also an incel/"NPC" element, where people suffering from extreme isolation de-realize the others around them to rationalize their perceived harms. Mixed together, it's less "dis-communication" or culture jamming and more a confused complex of digital alienation. But maybe that's just alienation under capitalism, and brings us right back to culture jamming.
"word salad" is not a label made up by dumb people, it's generally a alternate term for schizophasia. It's also a very old term. Whether dumb people repurposed it or not is another question. Speaking from personal experience, word salad is generally not controllable and not a pleasant thing that you would "want" to use to express yourself, you generally want to stop and regain control of yourself but simply can't or have already given up hope of regaining control over your speech patterns. It's generally not very pleasant and despair inducing, and you get very lost and fall into a, well, kafka-esque nightmare (/me looks at my name).
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia...
> Disorganized thinking (speech). Disorganized thinking is inferred from disorganized speech. Effective communication can be impaired, and answers to questions may be partially or completely unrelated. Rarely, speech may include putting together meaningless words that can't be understood, sometimes known as word salad.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2950318/
> In very severe cases, positive thought disorder manifests as unintelligible speech in which neither the individual words nor the sentences being strung together seem to correspond to any discernable overall meaning – ‘word salad’ or schizophasia, e.g. “Oh, it [life in a hospital] was superb, you know, the trains broke, and the pond fell in the front doorway” (McKenna & Oh 2005), or “They’re destroying too many cattle and oil just to make soap. If we need soap when you can jump into a pool of water, and then when you go to buy your gasoline, my folks always thought they should, get pop but the best thing to get, is motor oil, and, money. May may as well go there and, trade in some, pop caps and, uh, tires, and tractors to grup, car garages, so they can pull cars away from wrecks, is what I believe in. So I didn’t go there to get no more pop when my folks said it. I just went there to get a ice-cream cone, and some pop, in cans, or we can go over there to get a cigarette” (Andreasen 1986).
But seriously it doesn't make much sense to me, but that actually might be a comprehension problem on my part. It does sound very trolly. Thanks for warning me :)
If it's a troll its a boring schtick.
But you saying stuff like this, definitely alludes to you possibly being one.
I don't think that the person who wrote this is dumb. I think they're probably misinformed, have developed a myopic reactionary bent, and are probably trying to express sentiments that English doesn't really have a great vocabulary for yet. That's not a new theme in history!
It's unwillful dis-communication. It is wretched and hateful.
One can spout forth unstructured writing that is abstract, confusing, but also beautiful, uplifting: something that draws you in and smothers you with warmth and living heat.
Alternately, there is dis-communication which proactively deconstructs, intelligently dissolving the stuff of thought into a primordial goo from which new life can spring.
This type of thing is none of that. It is a moaning for death.
And I'll have none of it.
As an article, it's exactly what it's trying to be, therefore as a piece of art, it's... subjective, but appears to have achieved the author's goal.
Apparently, there is a subreddit: https://reddit.com/r/schizopostingmemes/comments/qy0ch6/
Also, there are many kinds of mental illness. Perhaps a person who is depressed and anxious pretends to be a person who cannot think coherently.
Also, as someone who had depression at one point and has an anxiety disorder that is medically treated, but not cured, yes, people with anxiety disorders cannot think coherently. One of the many symptoms of panic includes the inability to use your brain. Think dear in the headlights type stuff.
Anxiety disorders are a part of much of the world, FYI, so people with an anxiety order aren't rare by any means.
I'm not sure how I did that.
> FYI
pops a pill
Indeed
Synonyms: Word Salad.
Antonyms: N/A, yet. Give it time, these idiots will come up with something.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gangstalking/
I switched to Kagi yesterday: it is a alternative search engine, sorry I forgot it needs registration.
Using the exact same search (your original question) in Google does not give any relevant result at all on the first page.
But the very first result on Kagi is already very relevant: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5429827/how-can-i-preven...
Kagi is clearly much better than Google in this case!
(You changed your question to 'Why ...' from 'What ...' originally)
I hadn't heard of Kagi. I haven't found meta search engines like Duckduckgo to give me as good results as Google (or as Startpage, which just uses Google). Is Kagi better in that regard? Looks like it requires an invite though, and will eventually be paid.
I also tried DDG for a while but for me Google worked better.
Kagi is not a meta one, I believe, but I do not know much more. Yes, I got an invite some days ago. Maybe because I signed up for it a while ago, but I do not remember.
I do not mind paying for a search engine that actually works. I value my time. Google nowadays reminds me of Altavista back in the day. Lots of results but mostly irrelevant.
Another way the schizo stuff/aesthetic manifests itself is through memes. There's the trollge, the "I hate the antichrist" stuff, and now you can see some of the influence in the sigma/incel memes.
I always wonder if people are studying this seriously, and if it's worth studying seriously. Does this stuff has any influence? Does this have any meaning? Is there a precise origin that tells a lot about society or people? Or is it just because it's funny?