I was expecting this to be an analysis of communist or socialist dictatorships. But it is about (presumably) left-wing authoritarian behavior as practiced by individuals and groups in the US.
Yes, as a conservative I am biased, but it still shocks me that most studies in the past (as this study recognizes) on authoritarian behavior have focussed on right-wing authoritarian behavior -- despite the fact that most of the effective authoritarian behavior for the last 30 years has been on the left.
Thank you, Biden Administration, for not putting the kabosh on research like this.
You all are more liberal generally than we are, but I suspect you're not yet as woke as we are (or as we are all expected to be). Is it business as usual in Europe to say someone is racist based simply on the color of their skin? That's the kind of thing we're dealing with here.
There is no meaningful left in the US. Conservatives are swatting at liberal identity politics warped through some kind of right wing media funhouse mirror.
There is a groundswell of left thinking in the US but whenever some aspect of it gains a little bit of traction it gets contorted beyond recognition by the liberal arm of the capitalist establishment.
"Wokeness", as an example, started off by being about real matters of social justice like cop brutality in 80s Harlem and somehow ended up being about meaningless symbolism like changing the name of the master branch.
I think at the national level that’s true, but there are plenty of anarchist book clubs, an entryist socialist party had a massive growth in 2017 and I’ve got a friend who has a cache of guns for when she is called to fight for the communist revolution, though she also is too scared of covid to leave her apartment.
So uh, you’re probably right, but at the same time I never stop hearing about it.
To be clear, that last comment is a joke, I don’t know anyone with a weapon cache, (I just have a friend who got a Garand cause she was into WW2 history and jokes like that “so no one thinks she is a right winger”).
It’s a joke no one on the internet could get, made while drinking coffee and all it could do is derail conversation, I wish I could just edit it out, but of course, HN is written in lisp, it needs to keep such features from the plebians.
On economic issues Europe is much more left wing than the US, but on social issues there is a split—Americans are more extreme than Europeans, in either direction.
When I was growing up, right wing Americans were removing evolution and climate change from science books and the reason for the secession of the Confederacy from the history books. Some of that is still going on today.
Yes but here’s your right wing authoritarian lean; seeing this research as some form of truth and power to wield.
There’s absolutely no reason to see these authors as correct. In fact it appears to have triggered confirmation bias; the right in the US caged kids, confiscated land to build a useless wall, suspended Habeas Corpus over 9/11, both sides and the patriot act; no right wing voters stood up to stop them, and is often cheering on their book burning and gun waving threats. But this confirms to you the left are the vile aggressors of the last 30 years? When the politicians and their party cheer or idly ignore the platforms issues, calling everyone else fascist you jump the shark completely.
Appeals to far away high minded authority are pretty traditional human authoritarian. Researchers can show up and grow some potatoes, kill their next steak; contribute to the hands on mess. Their theories aren’t solving day to day issues for them, poorer workers are.
Otherwise this is merely leveraging the currently acceptable form of feudalism to command more attention than “essential workers”.
When the right is not batshit insane, violating others rights in a gaudy display of how free they are to do so, we can talk about others.
Frankly; both sides are apathetic cowards who kowtow to political tradition and have no clue how to work together freely; they bleat about one side or the other while circling around the same politically captured economic scheme with each other. The problem
is you all repeating there are two sides due to repetitive exposure, when it’s just other people.
We do have our crazies on the right, but for the most part they are pathetically irrelevant and easily ignored. Perhaps the best evidence of this is that I can freely criticize the excesses on the right without fear of retribution! Even staunch liberals in academia are afraid of criticizing the left or of violating their many strictures on free speech for fear of being cancelled.
Where I most agree with you is with regard to January 6th. It is shameful that Trump fomented violence, and almost worse that Liz Cheney is being ostracized for speaking the truth and doing what is right.
Yeah no one has had to fear retribution for speaking against conservatives; oh wait here in my community they were driving around targeting “leftists” and minorities.
Sorry but by continuing to deflect and project to spare your pride, and cling to traditional political divisions is … words like left and right in the context of politics mean nothing to me. You may as well be speaking in tongues. “Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.” is what it all feels like to me.
I’m not saying you have to customize for my sensibilities; I’m saying I’m not customizing myself for yours. Dem or Rep they’re just one of seven billion to me. I give neither platform special consideration and focus on the politician individually.
Free people who would manage their own affairs do not set aside management of those affairs in deference to aristocrats and parties controlled by their wealth.
If you have actual information, metaphor and analogy that’s useful to future planning of real human needs, let’s talk. I simply cannot LARP American Civic Life: The Cablr News Show! anymore
I've been reading some Jacques Ellul about propaganda, and I have to say you're not letting the culture at large lead you by the nose! I'm also reminded of a quote from Edward Abbey: "Grown men don't need leaders." Peace to you.
Don't think I'll pay the $15 for the PDF to find out what their definition of "left-wing" is (it's not included in the abstract). Since "anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats, left-libertarians, progressives and social liberals" (WP) are not all authoritarian, the selection process must be exhausting.
I dunno, call me simple minded. There’s the realm of ideas and there’s the realm of “I’ve got a bridge for sale in Brooklyn”.
Stalin was a czar like the czar before him who deposed the czar before him.
“Oh but I’m a {king | leader | servant } of THE PEOPLE”
Of course you are, comrade! Er, your highness…
All of politics can be reduced to whether we will still be stuck worshiping kings or whether we will organize ourselves.
Monarchism is certainly rather authoritarian, isn’t it.
Giving people and parties absolute power is a bad idea whatever your notion of right left etc.
Of course, as someone who collapses the four pole axes to two: utopian and dickish, I blame the right wing spirit in humanity for all that socially ails us. The right will never have creative answers to emerging problems as their fundament lies in denial of reality and the insistence of sticking with bad dumb cultural ideas, which is what the majority of culture is: collections of bad ideas and lousy systems imposed upon new humans.
“Here ya go kid, welcome to debt and climate change, thanks for the subsidies, future”
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[ 2.8 ms ] story [ 57.9 ms ] threadYes, as a conservative I am biased, but it still shocks me that most studies in the past (as this study recognizes) on authoritarian behavior have focussed on right-wing authoritarian behavior -- despite the fact that most of the effective authoritarian behavior for the last 30 years has been on the left.
Thank you, Biden Administration, for not putting the kabosh on research like this.
"Wokeness", as an example, started off by being about real matters of social justice like cop brutality in 80s Harlem and somehow ended up being about meaningless symbolism like changing the name of the master branch.
So uh, you’re probably right, but at the same time I never stop hearing about it.
It’s a joke no one on the internet could get, made while drinking coffee and all it could do is derail conversation, I wish I could just edit it out, but of course, HN is written in lisp, it needs to keep such features from the plebians.
There’s absolutely no reason to see these authors as correct. In fact it appears to have triggered confirmation bias; the right in the US caged kids, confiscated land to build a useless wall, suspended Habeas Corpus over 9/11, both sides and the patriot act; no right wing voters stood up to stop them, and is often cheering on their book burning and gun waving threats. But this confirms to you the left are the vile aggressors of the last 30 years? When the politicians and their party cheer or idly ignore the platforms issues, calling everyone else fascist you jump the shark completely.
Appeals to far away high minded authority are pretty traditional human authoritarian. Researchers can show up and grow some potatoes, kill their next steak; contribute to the hands on mess. Their theories aren’t solving day to day issues for them, poorer workers are.
Otherwise this is merely leveraging the currently acceptable form of feudalism to command more attention than “essential workers”.
When the right is not batshit insane, violating others rights in a gaudy display of how free they are to do so, we can talk about others.
Frankly; both sides are apathetic cowards who kowtow to political tradition and have no clue how to work together freely; they bleat about one side or the other while circling around the same politically captured economic scheme with each other. The problem is you all repeating there are two sides due to repetitive exposure, when it’s just other people.
Where I most agree with you is with regard to January 6th. It is shameful that Trump fomented violence, and almost worse that Liz Cheney is being ostracized for speaking the truth and doing what is right.
Sorry but by continuing to deflect and project to spare your pride, and cling to traditional political divisions is … words like left and right in the context of politics mean nothing to me. You may as well be speaking in tongues. “Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.” is what it all feels like to me.
I’m not saying you have to customize for my sensibilities; I’m saying I’m not customizing myself for yours. Dem or Rep they’re just one of seven billion to me. I give neither platform special consideration and focus on the politician individually.
Free people who would manage their own affairs do not set aside management of those affairs in deference to aristocrats and parties controlled by their wealth.
If you have actual information, metaphor and analogy that’s useful to future planning of real human needs, let’s talk. I simply cannot LARP American Civic Life: The Cablr News Show! anymore
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13gRe8F7YQEaCERm_dV58uce3a8R...
Stalin was a czar like the czar before him who deposed the czar before him.
“Oh but I’m a {king | leader | servant } of THE PEOPLE” Of course you are, comrade! Er, your highness…
All of politics can be reduced to whether we will still be stuck worshiping kings or whether we will organize ourselves.
Monarchism is certainly rather authoritarian, isn’t it. Giving people and parties absolute power is a bad idea whatever your notion of right left etc.
Of course, as someone who collapses the four pole axes to two: utopian and dickish, I blame the right wing spirit in humanity for all that socially ails us. The right will never have creative answers to emerging problems as their fundament lies in denial of reality and the insistence of sticking with bad dumb cultural ideas, which is what the majority of culture is: collections of bad ideas and lousy systems imposed upon new humans.
“Here ya go kid, welcome to debt and climate change, thanks for the subsidies, future”