Ask HN: I'm turning 50. Do I still have a career in IT as IC?

Taking into account the current situation, you should be OK. I am not sure about FAANG, but with other companies, they are, at least in my home country, desperate to find IT talent.

I'm not that worried, but I don't take it for granted. The traditional schema of age discrimination (it gets worse as you get older) isn't always true. I worked at one place where all the 30-something IT people felt they were not listened to and in a dead end situation whereas the 50+ people felt pretty comfortable. (One 30-something coder gained weight, got one of those fancy hair colorings where they put strips of foil in your hair to make himself look like he was graying and ultimately got an MBA -- all to get more respect)

I am almost exactly your age. For the last 10 years I've often been the oldest employee at a startup but always felt and believed that people respected my experience. (They told me so)

(There was that time I worked at a place where we had all staff meetings all the time and I frequently talked like and acted like a leader more than the CEO did... Initially I was seen as being supportive because I communicated my belief in the vision of the company more consistently than management did but being critical of management not sticking to that vision led to me being driven out. If we hadn't had the "all staff" culture I wouldn't have been dragged into playing that role...)

If you were doing fine at 49, you’ll be fine at 50 too.

If you can produce, and show that you can produce, then there's probably nothing to worry about. Admittedly this is a very naive and simplistic view but probably more correct than not.

Well, I guess you’re a data point. Is said to be the best time to look and companies are desperate for talent. So folks >30-35 will be the test… If they find work “like younger people”, we’ll believe the hype. If, however, they get the same song and dance about lack of current experience, companies are just looking for cheap newbies and frustrated they can’t get them easily.

I would think there are lots of niche and non faang stuff out there but nobody is bothering to look. Or, they’re all in it for the $$ alone.

Depends how young you look, and carry yourself, is the honest truth.

It's not the number itself

50 can be so many different things: Some people at 50 present as old, and others present as younger. For interviews that probably makes a difference. I come from smaller startups and now work in an enterprise org. Everyone's older here.

> perception and experience…

I was a 30 year old hiring manager, once guilty of ageism.

In spite of my gut instincts, we hired a gray haired ‘old guy’ well into his 50’s.

I had concerns, could he keep up with us? Would he have the energy and stamina required?

But we needed someone urgently and my colleagues felt he was a good fit. So, I went along willing to give him a trial.

Turns out, I was a total dope.

He quickly became an informal team lead, amazingly efficient in managing people and projects.

And above all, well respected in our company.

Over the years— he turned down multiple manager promotion offers. Quite insistent, he didn’t want the headaches… smart guy!

Having been downsized by a multinational as an IC at 55, my first advice is to maintain a network of colleagues and recruiters.

Keeping your head down doing the work leaves you unprepared if/when the axe comes.

I sent off resumes all over NA, but only got four interviews and two engagements. Networking got more than that and produced better quality engagements.

What? Yes.

(Edit: My comment is terse and I still stand by it, but one more note: Don't let age affect your ability to do good work. Do today's work in the fashion of our day—not complaining about how things were done better in the past. It's similar to a new hire saying "at X company we did it Y way and it was soooo much better" incessantly. As long as you don't do that, then, why would it ever be a problem?)

nit: IT != software engineering

IT is desktop support, fixing servers, printers, computers, setting up new employee laptops, handling networking, fixing WiFi issues, etc.

Be concerned. Very concerned. If you try to change jobs, you will realize, to your chagrin, that your interviewers will typically have no clue how to evaluate the work you've done over the years (unless you have been doing full-stack web dev or something in that neighborhood, or have been working in cloud-native technologies, AWS, Azure, or GCP). Definitely be prepared to be downleveled and paid far less than your experience would suggest.

There is zero value attached to experience if you are IC in this industry. Do not be fooled by words, look at the actions of the recruiters, hiring managers and interviewers.

BTW, you had better grind leetcode. Even ops jobs are asking people to do algorithmic problem solving type questions nowadays.

Currently an IC at 53. I was same-day terminated at the end of 2020, found a new remote position within a month, left that position for a 25% raise 10 months later. Both were small companies. Haven't seen a job market like this since the dot.com era. Most places I talked to seem more concerned about skills rather than age although I am sure there is a lot of ageism in tech.

I have some experience in this situation. About 20 years ago, I transitioned from employee to consultant. I do IT projects like fractional or temporary CTO in smaller organizations.

I do projects that last from 6 to 18 months, and in each one I learn about a new business, and often learn about a new technology. it keeps things fresh and interesting.

I can do this because my skill set is pretty broad and I have spent time building and maintaining a big network over my career - not necessarily attributes that can be acquired quickly.

I guess the only actionable advice is to consider working out side FAANG, and be open to consulting vs. employee. There's plenty of reward and plenty of interesting work out here.

My current org (series A startup, headcount around 20) is only hiring senior/staff level positions and it's very hard to find people. We have a pretty diverse age range and only two of the team are under 30 with several in their 50s/60s.

So we're out here, and we have a bias for senior talent. It's pretty easy to find junior people, but the good series A/B startups that are trying to build out their org don't really want more junior people and need folks like you.

I hired a person of similar age without thinking about his age a single time and he left for another job at a larger FAANG 16 months later.

Plenty of others I'm sure will speak to whatever explicit ageism is out there in hiring, but there is a lot of tacit ageism as well. Even post-pandemic, most "FAANG" type companies still seem to insist on you living in Seattle or San Francisco. So if you do, good on you. If you don't, well if you're unmarried and don't have kids, it's probably pretty easy to relocate. If you don't want to uproot a family, or it's not entirely your say because your spouse has their own career and doesn't just follow you around the country, or you have medical issues and a good relationship with a provider near you and don't want to have to find a new one, it's more challenging. Same thing obviously applies to kids and spouses with medical issues as well. They may need to live where you already live. Ability and willingness to drastically change your life for a job correlates pretty heavily with age. It's especially frustrating when you say all of this on your public profiles and recruiters are constantly hitting you up with positions that require relocation anyway.

The older I get the more I realize the entire world revolves around marketing and impressions. Competence or experience/knowledge come in secondary to that, unfortunately.

Do FAANGs hire such old ICs?

I don't know if they hire them, but they at least humor you with an interview. I'm older than you and prepping for my virtual onsite now and had made it to the onsite previously in a couple FAANGS.

I'm turning 54 and I'm still in-demand quite a bit. I just changed jobs and had a bidding war by a few different employers to bring me onboard. I was upfront with my age in all interviews, but my cloud, k8s and linux experience spoke volumes. Don't worry about your age. Just keep up with technology and you'll be fine.

> Do FAANGs hire such old ICs?

I can only talk about one of the letters in FAANG. Just my observation.

We definitely hire 50+ or even 60+ people. In my experience, all of the internal processes are designed to remove individual bias. You can get hired and be successful.

The problem arises when there's a mismatch in expectation. Suppose you look at your years of experience and shoot for IC7+. The bar for IC7 is _high_. From and IC7, they expect to see org-wide impact in your current role. An org is 1000+ people. Most ICs can spend an entire lifetime and not have that level of impact.

Basically, experience has little to do with level or comp. If you can lead a small team with a few people, are willing to come in at IC5, and fine with making 450k+, I don't see a problem with age.

Are you any good?