" It has been so growing on my mind lately. Sometimes I have felt it was like an eye looking at me. And I am always wanting to put it on and disappear, don't you know; or wondering if it is safe, and pulling it out to make sure. I tired locking it up, but I found I couldn't rest without it in my pocket. I don't know why. And I don't seem to be able to make up my mind." - Bilbo Baggins
It's all maths and some basic rules. And you don't have to be an economist or investment banker to do the maths for yourself.
Any (technical) founder that can't do the maths, or any (business) founder that doesn't "have a feeling" about this things deserves to be victim of investors.
The main issue here is that founders are often victims of unfounded optimism and trust in their enterprise, so they think only about best-case scenario ("I don't care about ratched, I'll make those 2M$ next year for sure"), and are thus an easy prey.
All being said, the article is still valuable both as a remainder of what to look at, and as a good promotion of authors book on the same subject.
Nobody is "blaming the victims". They are founders, CTOs, CEOs that are leading the business and should know at least basic rules of what they are doing. There is nothing illegal in investors trying to do their own business, and nobody is "taking advantage of" our poor startup CEO/owner/founder.
If you want successful business it is not enough to be "good at creating products" and completely ignorant on basic business issues.
If I rephrase this instead "If business is led by people that can't comprehend basic rules of economy or do simple maths, that company can't possibly bring anything of value either to their customers or other stakeholders, and thus deserves to fail" would you still disagree.
>Nobody is "blaming the victims". They are founders,
Founders can't be victims? I'll remember that if I ever feel the need to mug somebody.
>should know at least basic rules of what they are doing
There are no static "basic rules". What you "should know" is constantly changing. The more of this kind of junk you force would-be founders to know the more people are taking out of the pool of potential founders based on things that probably aren't relevant to what their startup would have been about.
>If you want successful business it is not enough to be "good at creating products" and completely ignorant on basic business issues.
This isn't being completely ignorant of basic business issues, this is being ignorant of the current traps that people who are supposed to be enablers will set for you.
>If I rephrase this instead ... would you still disagree.
Possibly. First of all, this isn't the case of "do simple maths", it's the case of learning ins and outs of something not related to your passion, namely how all kinds of stock types behave in various potential scenarios. And further, I don't want to exclude the wacky genius who understands something (say, search) vastly better than anyone else but just doesn't care about learning things like this.
>And it is good that unsuccessful business fails.
On its own merits, yes. Businesses failing based on things that have nothing to do with the actual business is not good. It's inefficient and may send the wrong signal to others, namely that X isn't a valid market when the reason for the failure actually had nothing to do with that.
Its not just math but also legal definitions/terms etc that can create traps.
I disagree with you that founders who are not across this deserve to be victims. It is impossible for founders to be across everything and intricate law and finance math is likely to be one of these area's. While a lawyer/business broker etc should be consulted in all of these cases sometimes even your lawyer can let you down and you're none the wiser.
At the end of the day I think that investors who deal in tricks and traps are on the same level of scumbag as the dodgy bankers/Enrons/Madoffs of this world.
> Firstly, I know what you’re thinking, this sounds outrageous,
> it’s not at all realistic. Well, sorry to break it to you, but
> this is what MOST of our deals look like. Yes, MOST.
Is this actually an investor who invests in deals? The domain is hidden behind a Florida privacy service and there's no name(s) attached to the book that's being peddled. Even the PayPal checkout shows only "TPE" as the seller.
> The Authors have invested Millions at top Private Equity firms!
Okay, but who are they? What firms? The post appears to be just teasers for getting you to buy the PDF. Even the PDF only has recommendations from anonymous positions at anonymous companies. If they really are VCs they should give the PDF away for free and get their name out there as the honest VCs. However, that goes counter to their assertion that "MOST" of their own dealings use the very trickery that they claim to expose.
They're not VCs, but private equity people. Big difference. Private equity doesn't want to get their "names out there". Quite the opposite. Public-to-private deals rely on secrecy in the early stages.
I think the first article sounded very "private equity", this second one sounds a bit more VC-ish.
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[ 3.7 ms ] story [ 37.3 ms ] thread" It has been so growing on my mind lately. Sometimes I have felt it was like an eye looking at me. And I am always wanting to put it on and disappear, don't you know; or wondering if it is safe, and pulling it out to make sure. I tired locking it up, but I found I couldn't rest without it in my pocket. I don't know why. And I don't seem to be able to make up my mind." - Bilbo Baggins
Any (technical) founder that can't do the maths, or any (business) founder that doesn't "have a feeling" about this things deserves to be victim of investors.
The main issue here is that founders are often victims of unfounded optimism and trust in their enterprise, so they think only about best-case scenario ("I don't care about ratched, I'll make those 2M$ next year for sure"), and are thus an easy prey.
All being said, the article is still valuable both as a remainder of what to look at, and as a good promotion of authors book on the same subject.
No, no one "deserves" to be taken advantage of. Where does this ridiculous "blame the victims" nonsense come from?
If you want successful business it is not enough to be "good at creating products" and completely ignorant on basic business issues.
If I rephrase this instead "If business is led by people that can't comprehend basic rules of economy or do simple maths, that company can't possibly bring anything of value either to their customers or other stakeholders, and thus deserves to fail" would you still disagree.
And it is good that unsuccessful business fails.
I think they did not hear you ( or other similarly wise folk ) .. exceptions available at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_big_to_fail
Founders can't be victims? I'll remember that if I ever feel the need to mug somebody.
>should know at least basic rules of what they are doing
There are no static "basic rules". What you "should know" is constantly changing. The more of this kind of junk you force would-be founders to know the more people are taking out of the pool of potential founders based on things that probably aren't relevant to what their startup would have been about.
>If you want successful business it is not enough to be "good at creating products" and completely ignorant on basic business issues.
This isn't being completely ignorant of basic business issues, this is being ignorant of the current traps that people who are supposed to be enablers will set for you.
>If I rephrase this instead ... would you still disagree.
Possibly. First of all, this isn't the case of "do simple maths", it's the case of learning ins and outs of something not related to your passion, namely how all kinds of stock types behave in various potential scenarios. And further, I don't want to exclude the wacky genius who understands something (say, search) vastly better than anyone else but just doesn't care about learning things like this.
>And it is good that unsuccessful business fails.
On its own merits, yes. Businesses failing based on things that have nothing to do with the actual business is not good. It's inefficient and may send the wrong signal to others, namely that X isn't a valid market when the reason for the failure actually had nothing to do with that.
I disagree with you that founders who are not across this deserve to be victims. It is impossible for founders to be across everything and intricate law and finance math is likely to be one of these area's. While a lawyer/business broker etc should be consulted in all of these cases sometimes even your lawyer can let you down and you're none the wiser.
At the end of the day I think that investors who deal in tricks and traps are on the same level of scumbag as the dodgy bankers/Enrons/Madoffs of this world.
Please correct me if I am wrong, if this post is promoted by accounts that are frequently used or just dummies.
I think the first article sounded very "private equity", this second one sounds a bit more VC-ish.
All the links within the article are pointing to some landing page.