Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

158 points by dkarp ↗ HN
With increasing remote work, are there rural communities where many people are tech workers?

Curious globally, but mostly interested in USA/UK.

I would like to live a more pastoral life, but anecdotally I've heard that people tend to be very different to those you find in a city.

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I don’t know any off the top of my head but I am also very interested if there are any existing hubs. I assume it would be somewhere with good internet.
I don’t know of any for sure either, but I’d look around in the area around Chattanooga, Tennessee and similar places with affordable fiber.
Agreed. Sylacauga, AL has metro fiber/provided by electrical company. The three counties around Carrollton, GA (Haralson, Carroll, and Heard) are getting it from now through the next 6 years from Carroll EMC. Phase 1 has started and is focused on Haralson and Heard counties first. With a few in more rural areas of Carroll. Start here https://carrollemc.com/broadband Carrollton, GA also has UWG...the cheapest "state" school for tuition in Georgia.
I live in a rural community. It is a mile to my nearest neighbor. Many farmers live here, but also many people who just have long commutes to a town/city. I would not say that they are very different people - we all have more in common than we are different. But they do have different backgrounds and skills. Most of them are pretty sharp and are interested in technology, but they just don't know much about it. Some of them have tried to learn some basic coding. Many of them are intrigued by what tech can bring to agriculture. I think that if you wanted to take the lead and build a tech community locally, focused on helping people come up to speed and figuring how it would have direct benefit to the local community, most areas would be receptive to such a thing.
I'd like to know, too.

My guess: You need at least a town with a state college. (Do you consider Fort Collins, Colorado to be "rural"? It's about 110,000 people. Decent tech scene there.)

This is basically Champaign-Urbana, Illinois too. You have the university, Wolfram Research, Volition, tech startups, etc. downtown. You drive two miles south and it's just corn galore.
I’d say the rural places are the places where things like Fort Collins are the nearest big city.
In Michigan there are software companies in small rural towns but no where I know about is there a concentration.

I used to live in a small rural town West of Lansing when I worked as an agronomist in a past career. I left to do a SaaS startup and stayed local because this small town became a test site for cable Internet. Note this was a time when neither Lansing nor Grand Rapids had a broadband Internet option, everything was dial up or ISDN if you were lucky.

My new office was across from city hall. I advocated to the city father's that they spend a fraction of the money promoting it's empty industrial park (every small town in Michigan has one) to lure software companies to town promoting it's then rare broadband Internet. They treated me as if I was advocating building a spaceport for aliens. In fact if they saw me coming they'd cross the street.

I found out years later that quite by accident a startup had moved to the town specifically for the availability of broadband. Now they only have around 25 employees twenty years later but in a town of less than 3,000 I think that is still pretty good. But with a small amount of effort they could have had a dozen such companies ;<(.

Traverse City is becoming very techy. Over the course of the pandemic I have witnessed a lot of folks coming in from Chicago, etc, to work remotely, or to do tech work for one of the decent web/it/finance/insurance/medical companies here.

P.S. we are hiring web dev and analytics/data engineer if you know anyone in the area!

Traverse City is amazing, but you already know that ;<). However I have problems dealing with winter in East Lansing so I can only imagine how bad it would be up there. You better like snowmobiling or skiing. But for seven months out of the year it's absolute perfection.
You're not wrong about that. The winters can be pretty long. It's snowing as I type
Maybe you could enlighten me on what you see as becoming very techy about Traverse City. When it comes to the companies that I've seen there you have:

- Small computer repair shops competing with big box computer repair

- Hagerty Insurance

- Munson Healthcare (the only health care provider in the 30 mile radius that I'm aware of).

- Finance - There are a couple of banks and credit unions but most of the investment firms I know of aren't based out of Traverse City.

- asure

- atlas space

- oneupweb

- midmark

- salamander

- efulfillment

- 20fathoms

- Healthbridge

to name a few off the top of my head

Asheville NC seems to be turning into a "work remote" tech hub. I moved here during the pandemic and have met many tech workers just walking around my neighborhood. Technically it's a city (looks like ~90k population), but coming from NYC it certainly feels like nature to me. There are streams and mountains and back yards.
Have you heard about CORI or the Rural Innovation Network communities?

The Center on Rural Innovation (CORI) is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization partnering with rural leaders across the country to build digital economies that support scalable entrepreneurship and lead to more tech jobs in rural America.

https://ruralinnovation.us/community-impact/rural-innovation...

https://ruralinnovation.us/

Not affiliated, just found it prompted by your question, looks very interesting!

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Why not look to small towns around state universities? Also, in the USA, look for micropolitan towns. Places that aren't tiny, but aren't major metro areas along with those kinds of challenges. Smaller towns can be easier places to afford homes, shorter distances to truly rural places. The people can be - not always though - challenging. May be more conservative politically and culturally. May be resistant to progressive ideas and efforts. Wife and I live in a smaller university town and love it here. It is a small community of similarly minded people who like the town and like technology and/or share similar progressive ideas. Fortunately we can hop in a car and be in a big city in an hour or so and enjoy big city entertainment and shopping. That said, our town punches well above its weight with plenty of shopping and entertainment opportunities.
I grew up in an area like this and it was pretty great!
Seconded - I live in a university town in the Midwest (usa). Several big tech companies have offices in town. The university itself employs a lot of tech folks, and spawns startups. There are also a few smaller/medium tech firms that are local. On a normal day, you're never more than 15 minutes drive from farm fields, and quite a few tech workers live out in the country and drive into town occasionally or daily for work.

It's nice, there's enough tech folks to maintain several maker spaces and co-working spots, and the students are a steady stream of enthusiastic youngsters to keep things feeling fresh. Added benefit that I've discovered talking to people in bigger cities: there's enough going on here that I often want to do several things in a day, and since much of it happens in the same 2 mile radius, you don't have to factor travel time into planning. (For example, I can go to a python meetup that ends at 7 and get to the theatre to see a 715 show with friends on the other side of town - a lot of places make that into an either-or proposition).

I grew up in a college town (3 small colleges, in an area with 40k people) and now live in a university town (30k people, state university).

You get the benefits of rural life, but your neighbors are more likely to be open minded and progressive, and you tend to get more culture, better schools and the restaurants are generally better.

Any examples of micropolitan towns?
Decorah or Grinnell Iowa, or Northfield Minnesota.
Decorah and Grinnell are college towns, idk about Northfield.
College town - St Olaf and Carleton. Nice place.
Go Northfield!!! A wonderful little town with great school(s)!
Yeah, here in Southern NH near Portsmouth/ UNH there’s a strong tech scene but you’re also close to fairly rural areas.
Hi, what sorts of companies are in that area please?
What sorts? How do you mean?
I should have asked a slightly different question - I was just looking for any information you could share around what the tech scene is like there, i.e. what kinds of things are people working on, what specific companies, anything that be worth checking out if you're new there, etc.
Man, I am not sure how to answer that. It's close enough to Boston that pretty much any type of tech you're interested probably has a presence within an hour's drive. My email is just my handle at gmail so feel free to ping me to see if/ how I could answer better.
I feel like by the time you have a community that is worth noting that they're not very "rural" anymore. At the very least it is then suburban.

Number of tech worker's that's hard to know.

People's definition of "rural" varies widely.

Many "rural" people live in small towns/cities where their nearest neighbor is mere yards away, others would only consider "rural" to be where the nearest neighbor couldn't be hit with a high-powered rifle.

Yeah that's a challenge. Last article I read about people "fleeing" San Fransisco was very vague until they mentioned a family who moved to a "rural community".

Later they mentioned where they moved it was ... it was the suburbs. Very much not rural.

Where I live there's a farm down the road, that doesn't make it rural either.

You might be interested in Thief River Falls, Minnesota. Digikey is based there and one of the largest electronic retailers in the world, but the town itself is relatively small (few thousand people)

Afaik they're the only company to work for so it's a bit limited. But I have a friend who lives there and is one of their many developers and she loves it. I understood from her that they're staying permanently remote even after the pandemic, but they might give you preferential treatment if you're willing to move anyways. And I know she still has the possibility of going into the office whenever she wants and has great relationships with her coworkers.

Some of their problems are very interesting too, as much of the software is to run their highly optimized warehouse. Their whole schtick is that they can get your product out of the warehouse in just an hour or two, so if you can pay for fast shipping it will get to you however fast you want. And this ends up being a very interesting optimization problem with human and machine components as well.

Company towns should probably not count.
There are a lot of tech folks in western Mass and western Connecticut, both very rural. I've met a few. Grey beards working remotely for a decade or two. And I've even met a few young people with kids who work remotely for NYC companies out of rural NJ.

Lancaster PA has or had a few tech companies.

So I'd say probably yes. Pick a county of 500 thousand people or so and start looking through their Craigslist for job postings. You'll find them eventually.

I don't know if it qualifies for your standard but Greenville, SC and its surrounding areas (Traveler's Rest, Simpsonville, Easley, Greer) have a blossoming tech community over the last 10 years. I'm one of the admins for our main tech Slack group and there's about 1,400 of us in there at last count.

Beautiful downtown area around a waterfall, tons of biking, near mountains and 3 lakes.

House prices are through the roof right now due to the influx of people though. Stories of bidding wars that used to be unheard of in this area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZA252lotHM

After going fully remote my fiancée and I recently moved back. The changes in Greenville over the past several years are staggering. Tons of growth!

I’d like to get plugged back into the tech community here. Could I grab an invite to the slack group? hahn.shot.first@gmail.com

Getting a bit pricey now but lots of tech workers in the small towns 1-2 hours from Austin . Like Bastrop , liberty hill , Lockhart , etc
I started my career as a programmer out in Fredericksburg.

I think that it was good to be able to be able to get into Austin/ SA for meetings and then live in the sticks. I'm in Western CO now... there are a lot of tech workers in the small town where I live.

I live on rural property about an hour from SF. My neighbors aren't techies, but they really aren't that different. Lots of older/retired people, plenty of maker-type people. Out here there's space to have shops, tractors, and physically large projects. I can't discuss programming with my neighbors but welding, electronics, gardening, and construction are fun topics.

I still see many of my Bay Area friends; weekend parties at my place are way more fun than parties in their tiny city houses/apartments. And we still keep in touch remotely.

Not every rural area is the same; I also lived for a year in eastern Kentucky and the people are indeed a bit different there. But I still made friends, and I'm not a major extrovert or anything.

Wow! Which direction from SF??
probably north, marin county is beautiful.
Marin county is a poor choice if you want to build things. They are extremely uptight about permit enforcement. Sonoma is easier.

I'm in Solano, which is somewhat ok. We still sometimes struggle with the permit department. It would be even easier if we were about a mile north, in Yolo. But there isn't a huge inventory of properties for sale so you don't necessarily get to pick.

On the plus side, if you're trading in from a home in the inner bay area, everything will seem very cheap.

This is an area I'm looking to move to, from Santa Rosa up to Ukiah but way east Bay looks interesting.

What is the fire risk like? I'm comfortable with everything else via Starlink, remote job that'll stay remote, and similar.

> What is the fire risk like?

The answer is complicated.

My property has burned over twice since I've been here, and two years ago a few hundred of my neighbors lost homes in the LNU fire. However, I'll still say that for rural California, it's actually not bad.

It's grasses and oaks here ("light flashy fuels") which burn with low intensity. If you prepare diligently, your home will most likely be fine. We don't get crazy conifer-fueled earth-sterilizing crown fires like the Sierras. By end of spring you can barely tell there was a fire.

I joined the fire service after the LNU fires (unincorporated Solano is all volunteer). So while fire is something that's never far from my mind, it's not something I really worry about.

Sadly, Starlink isn't servicing this area yet, no DSL or cable either. I have to bounce "wireless broadband" off a couple hillsides. It's dreadfully slow, but way better than Hughesnet. Starlink will be a gamechanger for sure.

Great answer, thank you for following up. Makes sense about considering the fuels around you. I see cool places for sale in Sebastopol to Guerneville, but seems like fire traps potentially on those windy roads.

Starlink and a backup mofi sim router that is config'd a bit will suffice, I'm in a pretty rural spot but more mountain west. It's on the base tripod in my backyard (no roof mount) and works fine.

I'm looking to move somewhere exactly like this. Are you in the Santa Rosa area?
Just outside Winters, on the north edge of Solano county.
Winters is an underrated town, I think.
Snide answer - look at voting records from the places you are interested in, and find those that match you as closely as possible so you don't have to be confronted by anyone different from you.
Some of the Seattle 'suburbs' get fairly rural, lots of trees, at least some lots are a couple acres, a few working farms, lots of hobby farms, but still have a lot of tech workers.

If remote work is important to you, check out internet options. There's a chance of Comcast and CenturyLink, but both get shifty about actually servicing homes in places (Comcast won't run a drop to my house even though their cable is on the pole at the corner of the lot; CenturyLink has run out of DSLAM ports in some neighborhoods, and some homes are too far from the DSLAM to get usable speeds); some public utility districts do fiber, but if your prospective house isn't already passed by their fiber, you would need to pay actual costs to extend the network plus actual costs to run a drop to your DMARC (which gets spendy if you've got underground wiring and a long driveway; I've got a $50k installation quote which 40% is undergrounding along my driveway and 60% is stringing the fiber on poles for 2ish miles); but some counties don't do that. I've seen relatively good reports for Starlink, but waiting time is unknowable and bandwidth and latency fluctuate during the day.

I'm on a train and just went through some charming town south of Centralia. Wonder if it would appeal to remote tech workers.
Is there bad air quality there from the coal fire?
I think you're thinking of Centralia PA?
Fair, out of context it's unclear. I'm in Washington state.
I think the people of Centralia have been displaced enough by spoiled tech workers.
I don't think I'm advocating that anyone be made to leave?
By affecting property values and land taxes, your advocations don’t need to be implicit to affect locals- think people with no money who have lived there for decades or more. People who are barely getting by as it is.

Do you really want another old couple on the streets of seattle so that you can live your agrarian fantasy?

In fairness I've no skin in the game, I'm not from here or moving here. Just seemed like a cute town near the train.

I'd hope new housing would be built to accomodate any newcomers.

Very much agree with this, I know a number of people that commuted (pre-pandemic) to the East Side (Redmond/Bellevue) that live in North Bend, Monroe, Sultan, etc. These are all cities that are very much part of the 'Seattle area' and are not really considered rural, but would tick many of the boxes.

If you want to go farther out, there are plenty of parts of WA that are really rural - but you might not find things like high speed internet are very accessible.

The one thing you won't get moving into any of those places is lower housing costs, however. These are all priced with the fact that high-earners are living in these cities and commuting into Seattle/Bellevue/Redmond and getting paid those salaries.

Houses in North Bend are well over a million dollars.
Yeah, the housing prices don't really lower until you're looking at a 90 minute commute. I feel like 'semi-rural' is an appropriate term for these places that aren't anywhere near as dense as suburbs, but also aren't mostly large lots of farm/forestry/wilderness/open space or even a patch of homes surrounded by that.
I live in Rural WA, between Olympia and Aberdeen. I live right in town and there's no problem getting 100mbps Internet via Comcast. Centurylink is very nearly a scam. If you go 2-3 miles out of town, things get more difficult, depending on the direction you take. Several friends are on DSL or worse. Hughes-or-whatever-they-are-now is awful for anything except very light use. Starlink is an option. Rent is expensive like anywhere else, but still less than the Seattle metro area. But, this is becoming a closet community for Olympia and Lacey, driving up housing prices.

If there's a tech "scene" here, I'm unaware of it.

Starlink is pretty capable, been running it side-by-side in that sort of area vs. the local and only big name ISP. For a month+ of two remote tech workers doing video calls, hasn't been an issue.
We have similar issues with CL out here in rural NM. One interesting alternative are both commercial and cooperative microwave-based almost-mesh networks. We just signed up with one that ultimately ties back into CL somewhere, but is the only way the its 4000 members would get internet within a 400 square mile area.
Line of sight systems are pretty iffy out here, trees and hills mean you probably don't have LOS to anywhere (great for privacy, not great for wireless isps)
There is "Programmers village" ("Поселок программистов") in Kirov Oblast in deep Russia.

It is not exactly a rural community: it's just 20 or so families of remote tech workers (mostly freelancers) living a few kilometers from a small old town with dirt cheap land and local labor (like "buy a two-story house with one month's SF salary" kind of cheap). It was founded before the pandemic by a guy who used to work as an SWE at Yandex and grew tired of living in Moscow.

I wonder if something like this exists elsewhere.

Isn't this an oxymoron? i.e. the second enough techies converge in the same location is the same second it transforms from a rural community into a suburb
Absolutely not. You’ll find plenty of communities in rural areas: churches, American Legion, quilting groups, hunting buddies, continuing education classes at the county extension, etc.
UK? Pick any county within an hour or so of London. Oxfordshire and Berkshire is full of systems/tech people.
If you're into medtech or healthcare, Rochester, MN. Rochester itself is around 80-100K, but in the middle of rural SE MN with several smaller communities around it.
I live in Breckenridge, CO. I'd love to make this more of a rural tech community. The harsh winters here make for great skiing and programming weather.
I'm in DGO. It's a great place to do all the outdoor play.

I like that there are better paying jobs able to be out here on the edge of the desert, but it's really hard to live in places where short-term rentals are combining with folks like me moving into the community. I will never be able to afford a place in town for sure.

I'd love to live in Breckenridge. (One of my favorite things is feeding the trout in the dredge pond.) But... there's no way I could afford to live there :-<
There are many smaller / less bougie mountain or valley towns in CO. I've got a couple friends who live in Alamosa and work remote. Their cost of living is cheap and they're surrounded by mountains in all directions.