Ask HN: How did you learn sales?

Two experiences when I was 16:

(1) I was launching a blog on geopolitics in 2002 and needed to get subscribers. I went out with a clipboard to various political events and asked people if they'd like to sign up. A lot said "no", some said "yes" -- got to 2,000 subs.

(2) Summer camp where I focused on a product design. Then my instructor said, "OK, now go call 5 businesses and see if anyone wants this." No script, no vision deck, no PPT -- just made a call and of those 5 companies, 1 said "Hey, this sounds kind of interesting."

The validation was so exciting.

Since then I've hired sales coaches, sales reps, etc. but honestly, nothing really beats doing it... Just accept 90% of the time you'll get a "no" and 5% of the time you'll get disrespectful attitudes, but 5% of the time you'll get a "yes" and you'll love it.

I sold insurance and investment products, and would grab the phone book and just pick a section and call the numbers/people in it.

Day 1-10 I wanted to crawl into a hole and never come out. Rejection is personal and becomes internalized at this point. It sucks A LOT. You either get through this period and build VERY thick skin or you quit and decide sales is impossible and only doable by those "born with it".

Day 11: You realize talking to people is becoming easier and you are stuttering/stumbling/mumbling/apologizing less. You know 95% of all objections to your sales pitch. You realize your sales pitch either sucks or is non-existant, but you can verbatim introduce yourself and explain your product/service. However, you realize you are not actually asking for a sale effectively or handling objections properly. You are beginning to see the problems with your approach.

Day 11-30: You experiment with various WRITTEN sales scripts and objection handlers to see what works best. You weak this script until you have something you are comfortable with and works effectively to

1. Introduce yourself and your expertise, 2. Explains your product and service succinctly, 3. ASK for the sale effectively, 4. "Handle" prospect's objections and reiterate your service's benefits

After a month (hopefully much sooner) and after perfecting your script, you will learn that not everyone you speak with is worth your time nor is a potential customer. You will learn what makes a potential customer and how to qualify a prospect before asking for the sale and once you do this, you will vastly reduce how many objections you need to "handle".

You will also learn very quickly that sales is a numbers game: The more prospects you talk with, the more potential customers you will find, and the more sales you will make. If you understand that not every prospect is a customer and it typically takes 100 prospects to find 1 customer, you can gamify the process. My numbers always looked like this:

100 prospects -> 30 talk-tos (actual people i spoke with) -> 10 appointments set (people said they'd meet me/seemed interested) -> 3 appointment show-ups (actual interested people that showed up to meet me) -> 1 sale

End of day it takes practice and incremental improvement. I tried reading books, a lot of books, but realized I was simply wasting time trying to find a process, when the only thing to do was actually put in the work and improve the process I was already doing.

This is a decent book. The good thing about reading a book or two about sales is it will give you a little bit of confidence. Even if nothing beats getting out there and doing it, feeling like you sort of basically get it will drastically increase the chances you'll actually get out there...

Above all, listen and try to understand what your prospect needs or think that they want.

1. Know your product(s) inside and out. 2. Know your customer/prospect's business inside and out. 3. Imagine what your prospect's objections may be and have answers lined up ahead of time. If you don't know the answer to a question, say so. Let them know you will research it and get back to them. 4. Try to build a rapport. 5. Be prepared for your meeting. 6. Know the audience, is it a tech person or executives? 7. Keep following up, set reminders on your calendar to do so.

And...like others have said, you kind of just need to start doing it.

The Golden Rule (for us): people do business with people they know, they like, and they trust. - To be known, you need to make an effort to connect and build / maintain a relationship. That doesnt mean you need to be friends but you can't be one and done. Listen to clients and prospects and learn about what they care about and remember it the next time you speak. - To be liked, be genuine, forthcoming, a good listener, etc - To be trusted, always operate with integrity and NEVER sell something you don't believe in. I have a rolodex of clients that buy literally every product we launch before we launch it because they blindly trust us. I will do everything in my power to preserve that trust.

If you only read three books on sales, I would recommend the following. The value of #1 is 1000x all others. Read it and put the principles in practice and you will have laid a great foundation for success in life and it automatically puts the Golden Rule in practice.

1- Dale Carnegies How to Win Friends and Influence People 2- Getting to Yes 3- Influence, the Psychology of Persuasion

The above covers disposition. Process and accountability is a HUGE driver of success in sales. At our company, we DEMAND you have strong systems of accountability and follow through. I find the best salespeople are constantly thinking about their funnel. I was in a lecture in college with Larry Silverstein (NYC real estate billionaire) who said success can be quantified pretty easily: make 10x more phones calls and you'll be 10x more successful. You'll hear this as a recurring theme in life, as Wayne Gretzky said "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" and woody allen said "90% of success is showing up". Show up every day and put in an honest days work building and maintaining your funnel, and conduct yourself reasonably and with integrity, and things will close.

There is so much more to this topic and it varies from being average to being good to being a top producer... but I think the above is the pre-req.

Questioning techniques: one specifically called "funnelling" and another called ABC (Always Be Closing)

Selling benefits instead of selling features

Objection handling etc.

Closing techniques: Namely stop selling after the customer had agreed to buy.

Etc

Sales was my first profession. I was good at my work. After a decade, I decided I wanted a change of pace and moved into programming. I very much miss selling and will probably go back someday.

I got my start as a concert promoter selling concert tickets for my friends bands. I eventually tried most of the major categories of sales: SMB, Enterprise, Retail, Door to door, Patent sales, etc but ended up preferring mostly retail and SMB because the sales cycles were quicker and it made the job a little more fun. Enterprise tends to be the best paid, but much slower and often feels more like project management than a sales gig.

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To answer your question"sales" isn't just sales. There are many different types, approaches, techniques, skills, cultures, etc. If you are inclusive of any job performed by a "compliance professional" (Cialdini) or where there is a transaction involving two or more people, sales is the largest profession in the United States.

If you are just looking to get started I'd recommend 1) To actually sell something 2) get reading the literature.

As far as actually selling something: try reselling something at the farmers market, or go door to door and sell basic manual labor... those two things have high demand which you should be able to land a sale or two right away to get a vibe on a basic process.

As far as literature here are a couple of classics:

  - Influence
  - the little red book of selling
  - SPIN selling
  - Secrets of closing the sale
  - The challenger sale
  - The presentation secrets of steve jobs (for presentation skills)
  - The rules of the game (neil strauss)
  - Nudge

(sorry for the terrible and short answer)

It's the same answer.. you learn to swim by swimming. You can ask all the people jumping into the water on which technique is best and what hacks are the best.. but even after all the advice you will get shocked and struggle with it when you jump in the first time and it will take a lot practice before you do the first lap.

So depending on the type of profession there is no better way to pick up the phone, write that email or start connecting with the right people (irl or online) and just get started to learn it.

I wanted to get great at sales after my startup failed and I decided the best way to learn would be by joining a company as a solutions engineer (being a developer, I felt like it was role that was perfect for me since it combined sales with technical skills).

It ultimately ended up being the best decision of my life, and I couldn't imagine doing anything outside of sales/go-to-market now. I'm happy to talk more about my experience over zoom if you'd like! Feel free to shoot me an email at ju@hightouch.io

In terms of book recommendations, I do recommend the book "To Sell Is Human" by Daniel Pink to people deciding whether or not to get into sales. A lot of people associate sales with the "annoying car salesman", but this book gives really great insight into how sales has transformed into "consultative" in order to survive.

Almost every company has a sales department and there are tons of careers in sales, yet there is no formal path to learning in higher ed.