Jun 14: Plato's CRITO: Vol. 2, pp. 31-43

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Plato's CRITO: A Philosopher Prefers Prison Cell

Socrates unceasingly strove for beauty, truth, and perfection. Sentenced to death on a false charge, he refused to escape from the death cell, even when opportunity was offered.

Vol. 2, pp. 31-43 (starts on page 39 of the .pdf)

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Please comment below on your own thoughts and feeling towards today's reading.

Here are some passages I found interesting:

"Cr. Why, indeed, Socrates, I myself would rather not have all this sleeplessness and sorrow. But I have been wondering at your peaceful slumbers, and that was the reason why I did not awaken you, because I wanted you to be out of pain. I have always thought you happy in the calmness of your temperament; but never did I see the like of the easy, cheerful way in which you bear this calamity. Soc. Why, Crito, when a man has reached my age he ought not to be repining at the prospect of death. Cr. And yet other old men find themselves in similar misfortunes, and age does not prevent them from repining."

"Soc. What! I suppose that the ship has come from Delos, on the arrival of which I am to die? Cr. No, the ship has not actually arrived, but she will probably be here to-day, as persons who have come from Sunium tell me that they have left her there; and therefore to-morrow, Socrates, will be the last day of your life."

"For if you die I shall not only lose a friend who can never be re- placed, but there is another evil: people who do not know you and me will believe that I might have saved you if I had been willing to give money, but that I did not care. Now, can there be a worse disgrace than this—that I should be thought to value money more than the life of a friend? For the many will not be persuaded that I wanted you to escape, and that you refused. Soc. But why, my dear Crito, should we care about the opinion of the many ? Good men, and they are the only persons who are worth considering, will think of these things truly as they happened. Cr. But do you see, Socrates, that the opinion of the many must be regarded, as is evident in your own case, because they can do the very greatest evil to anyone who has lost their good opinion ?"

Soc. And will life be worth having, if that higher part of man be depraved, which is improved by justice and deteriorated by injustice? Do we suppMse that principle, whatever it may be in man, which has to do with justice and injustice, to be inferior to the body? Cr. Certainly not. Soc. More honored, then? Cr. Far more honored. Soc. Then, my friend, we must not regard what the many say of us: but what he, the one man who has understanding of just and unjust, will say, and what the truth will say. And therefore you begin in error when you suggest that we should regard the opinion of the many about just and unjust, good and evil, honorable and dis- honorable.

Now you depart in innocence, a sufferer and not a doer of evil; a victim, not of the laws, but of men. But if you go forth, returning evil for evil, and injury for injury, breaking the covenants and agreements which you have made with us, and wronging those whom you ought least to wrong, that is to say, yourself, your friends, your country, and us, we shall be angry with you while you live, and our brethren, the laws in the world below, will receive you as an enemy; for they will know that you have done your best to destroy us. Listen, then, to us and not to Crito.

Leave me then, Crito, to fufil the will of God, and to follow whiter he leads

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Hi! Are you keeping this up ? I just found it now....
Yup! Here' the link for June 15th: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31754336

Let us all know what you think of either reading in the comments.

why was this flagged? I appreciate that it might not be the best forum for a reading club materials list, but it certainly isn't off topic as per https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
@dang

Any idea why this was flagged?

I’d email HN directly (email in the footer), and ask if this is an appropriate use of HN. (@ does nothing special on HN)
Thanks!

EDIT: Just sent them an email, will let you know when I do.

I'm surprised that you're surprised it got flagged.

It comes down to this:

What other posts are like yours and have gotten traction, suggesting that this is the right place for a blog / book club?

Your posts are mostly about you and what you find interesting. Instead, you should start a blog and submit your blog posts to HN.

Geeze man, I'm just trying to do a little book club thingy.

If you don't want to join, that's totally cool.

EDIT: Since I can't reply to the comment below this one:

I'm not trying to grow an audience, I'm just trying to do a little reading club thingy for people on HN that want to read along. I'm not really caring about 'traction'(?). As far as I know, the book club idea isn't breaking any site rules. If it is, can you point me to the one that is being broken.

I’m trying to suggest a better way for you to grow an audience.

But if you don’t respect the sites you post to then you will get no traction and you will get flagged (or the equivalent.)

Responding to your edit:

> I'm not trying to grow an audience, I'm just trying to do a little reading club thingy for people on HN that want to read along.

Your site has a paid subscription option, yes?

Responding to the comment below, as HN still is not allowing me to reply to those messages:

> Your site has a paid subscription option, yes?

Not my site at all!

I have no affiliation with myharvardclassics.com whatsoever. Just a fan of Dr. Elliot's original 1909 compilation.

I just found them online a few years back and they have the free .pdfs of the volumes with the corresponding page numbers for the readings. If you know of a better resource for the books and the readings that have the correct corresponding page numbers, let me know.