Ask HN: Can 5G Wireless Effect Epidermal Immunity?

2 points by FollowingTheDao 4y ago ↗ HN

PLEASE NOTE: I do not wear tinfoil on my head. If you just want to reply that I am "crazy" please do not. This is a serious psychological question and I expect serious answers.

I have been looking into 5G millimeter wavelength penetration of the skin and I kept reading that it is safe because not only penetrates to a depth of 1mm (maybe 2mm, it depends who you read).

I know that both Langerhans and T cells are prolific in this same layer of the skin. And these cells, when triggered, send immune signals to the whole body. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2950871/)

https://journals.asm.org/cms/10.1128/CMR.00034-18/asset/5d41103c-42a8-4de5-b6d1-f86fc09ad368/assets/graphic/cmr.00034-18-f0001.jpeg

https://www.nejm.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/mms/journals/content/nejm/1999/nejm_1999.341.issue-24/nejm199912093412407/production/images/img_medium/nejm199912093412407_f2.jpeg

So have there been any studies on this effect? I have searched and cannot find anything. I know CD8 T Cells are effected by calcium ion channels and these channel might be opened by these EMFs triggering higher calcium entry into the T cell and stimulating an immune response.

Calcium signalling in T cells https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-018-0110-7

Radiofrequency Fields and Calcium Movements Into and Out of Cells https://meridian.allenpress.com/radiation-research/article/195/1/101/448146/Radiofrequency-Fields-and-Calcium-Movements-Into

T cell signaling is relevant to quite a few neurological disorders

Inflammatory signaling mechanisms in bipolar disorder https://jbiomedsci.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12929-021-00742-6

Effector T Cells in Multiple Sclerosis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5880159/

So are we overlooking the fact that 5G can effect the immune system even though there is no heating?

I am open to factual critiques and maybe a study I have not seen. Specifically any studies that have measured T cell or immune changes in the epidermis upon expose to all the 5G wavelengths.

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collimator 4y ago ↗

Would this be observed by working dermatologists?

FollowingTheDao 4y ago ↗

I guess if it affected the skin, yes. But would they connect it to 5G? And I am not assuming this would effect a large portion of the population because genetics.

Some studies say we need more studies after dermatitis was noted with other frequencies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5925203/

And there seems to be a rise in dermatitis as well (2018) https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

Here is an interesting case report: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/reveh-2021-01...

But I am thinking it could be possible for the immune signaling not effecting the skin but triggering a systematic immune response.

I want to add that seasonal admissions to psychiatric wards are effected by UV exposure.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01650...

And UV radiation has less skin penetration. Also , people with Lupus are more sensitive to sun exposure even at short durations effecting more than just their skin.

demygale 4y ago ↗

Serious answer: you’re really bad at practical reasoning.

How so?

Or are you just a drive by idiot who is jealous of people who have interesting thoughts?