I hope there is enough contrast between unread and read items. It took me a while to get used to the gmail overhaul with their new design.
But integration with plus is definitely a welcome change. More often than not, I've decided against sharing simply because it's inappropriate to everyone following me.
Sigh. I like the redesign (it's about time!) but I hate that they're turning off sharing. I use that to run my link blog, and now I'll have to figure out another workaround.
True, but the issue there is that it now takes about 4 mouse clicks that used to be a single shortcut. To set this link blog (squealingrat.org/new) up all I needed to do was feed my Google Reader shared items into the Wordpress blog.
Well, you can create a new Tag, then go to "Details and Statistics" in the arrow right next to the Tag and get the feed URL for it. Then you can import that to your blog, and every item you put in that Tag will appear.
My biggest complaint is they tampered with the scroll bar. It's way too small now and only functions as an aesthetic touch... The regular scroll bar works perfectly fine.
The problem with that mode is that the content area becomes way too wide. With a 1024-1280 px wide browser window, the sidebar makes the content area an acceptable width for comfortable reading.
More bars than Dublin...I agree, the waste of space is annoying. I can't even think of the last time I wanted to search my RSS feeds and it's taking up a chunk of space.
On a 13inch Macbook add the Mac App bar, Chrome (tabs + search-url + bookmarks toolbar) a third of the readable area is covered with "bars".
I am very annoyed at the waste of space, waiting for a new Google Reader Absolutely Compact extension for Opera. That said, I frequently search my RSS feeds.
To my surprise, there's often lots of very informing stuff on economic/political questions I might search about; it's like consulting my own private network of expert commentary, and is often more useful to me than google search.
For real. It's even worse in Google groups. I realized this a few months ago during the Chromebook beta test; Everything is a toolbar, and Chrome is giving me UI fatigue.
That was my exact reaction -- barely usable on my 1280x800 screen. Until there's a better user style out there, this css makes the theme much better for me, by hiding the search bar and the feed toolbar:
I was going to say the same thing. I took a screenshot and looked at the space. The actual content uses about 80% of the width and 70% of the height of my screen. Ideally, they could've moved a lot of stuff to the sidebar to avoid the four bars you also mention.
I don't really care anymore about the design of Google Reader. The only thing I use it for is for syncing my read items between my different reader apps (like Reeder for iPad). As long as they keep supporting that I'm fine, but this seems like a service anyone could implement in case they stop the API access.
The new design is definitely cleaner and consistent with other Google products, but it is not a design focused on providing a great reading experience (as the product name "Reader" suggests). It is basically the Gmail layout and interaction model, just different content. I wish Google had taken an approach that deeply focused on the content first (as Flipboard does).
KEEPING IN MIND that I generally hate people who whine every time every thing changes,
as someone who is fairly invested in Google Reader, it pains me that this has been a UI step backwards.
It's lot less usable; defaulting every link to black, like the rest of the interface, makes scanning for links really painful, and there's still a good 130px of useless interface chrome that is taking up space for no good reason.
Blargh! Looks like I'm going to be loading some custom stylesheets very soon.
I haven't set up a style for google reader (yet) but Stylish extension for Firefox does a good job letting me customize sites. I don't use it on every site, but places I view regularly I tweak.
Woah. I kept looking for this share button you were talking about - I completely blanked on the actual Google header bar, which at this point I've mentally "edited out" on Google sites. My first thought was that that button would do something stupid - that it would share "Google Reader", not the currently viewed post.
My problem with the new Reader is the lack of visual indication of read vs unread items.
My problem with the new Reader is the lack of visual indication of read vs unread items.
Yeah, I had a few people complaining in my twitter timeline and I thought, "Everyone always bitches when something new gets rolled out. It can't be that bad, come on." I logged in and I wasn't impressed but it was he lack of read vs. unread that pushed me over the edge.
Here's the main kicker of that: What's the point of marking the unread count on the left hand sidebar if there's no way to see which ones in the main view? This is what makes me think it's half-baked. They half-removed a feature.
Upon close examination, the headline text (not background) for unread is black on white, while the headline for read is very dark grey text on white. The headline for the item being currently read is also black on white.
The contrast is almost unnoticeable (I didn't notice it before), in particular because it's text on a bright background. I'd have to adjust my monitor gamma to make the distinction obvious, at the cost of color reproduction elsewhere. There is more variance in the shades of grey of text on my monitor from viewing angles than there is from this read / unread distinction.
The text varies between #000000 (black) and #222222 (87% black). Good luck distinguishing 87% black text on a white background from 100% black.
Maybe they're doing a/b testing in different markets? Here's a screenshot of my reader page, the top item in the feed (timestamp 12:23pm) is unread and should look b/w, while all the items below are b/g.
Ah Ha! Here's the confusion: You're in list view and I think those of us who are unhappy are using the 'expanded view'. Under the expanded view, you used to be able to see the difference between posts and now you cannot. I had been using expanded view for so long I had forgotten that list view even existed.
So, yeah. The 'read state' of Google Reader is half-baked in expanded view.
Indeed, very annoying. I want to share stuff with my friends and love the granular approach I can now take but if it means I publicly have to +1 it. I have no idea how public that is, can people see a list of all things I +1'd? Can friends?
Just wanted to clarify that this wasn't a joke. If you're not in G+, you can't share this/don't have this button. (Whereas non-G+ members could have shared in Google Reader.)
I liked the search by shared items. Thankfully I always star and share, therefore I can still search (Google +1's search is pathetic, as it is non-existent).
Still wish they'd give +1 a search tool, and make all the previously shared items shared on Google+. But then again, this is power-user wishlist, and Google has been moving away from us.
This is not so bad for Google+, as it has an API, but it is terrible for Google Reader, as it still doesn't have an API. Guess this[1] issue was not starred enough on Google Code...
It looks cleaner, but overall it's less readable. The old Google Reader featured distinct boxes for each news article. But now Google got rid of this so the articles all sort of glue together and the only way to distinguish articles is by the focus effect and the headings.
Also I'm not sure what prompted Google to move the star button from the left of the heading to the right. Titles are variable-length so it doesn't make sense to put a frequently used UI element in a position where it would constantly change..
This thing has an acre of useless interface and padding. With the rise of instapaper, safari reader, reeder, readability, etc, how did they possibly think more clutter was the right direction to go.
I really think Google makes decisions like this: "The data says the search bar is only used occasionally. Okay, so that means it needs to be bigger so more people use it." Search in a reader is fine, but it needs to be about as prominent as
"search this page" is in a browser.
Back in 2007 I built a social RSS reader called Feed Each Other (http://feedeachother.com). It was actually pretty good, but I had to give up on it because I ran out of money, Google Reader was slowly stealing all my features, and I found it very hard to convince people to switch from GR.
It had stuff like:
- "Circles" aka, letting you group your contacts however you like and see what each group shared with you and share stuff with all your contacts or just certain groups.
- Feed and user discovery and recommendations. "People who read X also read:" and "Look who subscribes to this feed" type of thing.
- Keyboard shortcuts, auto discovery, opml import/export etc. All the usual feed reader stuff.
I've been looking for something similar to what you're describing (and hoping to stay away from Google & Facebook). However, before you turn your site back again, are there any other smaller fish out there already filling your niche?
If anybody out there has a social RSS reader start-up, feel free to reply to this and advertise your service. I will drag my friends to it along with me.
(Yes, I use Twitter, Instapaper, news aggregate sites, etc. Yes social software has changed how i would otherwise discover links/news. But I still need an RSS reader, and the passive sharing in old Google Reader is a layer of social that one takes for granted in almost any app. I get why they took it out (they think they're helping G+), but it doesn't work for me.)
I can't agree more. At least they allow us to download our data as JSON file. I used the sharing feature a lot. I just downloaded my shared-items.json file and it is 56.3MB large!
I already tried Tiny Tiny RSS and NewsBlur but I don't really like them. There's rssLounge left, I'll try it tomorrow if I have enough time. Does anyone knows another one of these opensource webapp feed aggragator?
For now, I'll continue sharing using icebraining tips (to create a tag).
Hey, NewsBlur's developer here. What didn't you like about NewsBlur? Lots in the pipeline, but I loves hearing what's off-putting so I can fix it for everybody.
I like Newsblur more than the last time I tried -- I just signed up for a premium account. However, I'm still slightly frustrated because of this:
In Google Reader, I liked to look at all the feeds in a category and just see all the posts from each of those feeds in the reading pane, most recent first. I can almost do the same thing in NewsBlur with the "river of news," but it only shows me unread posts, which is usually OK but it's nice sometimes to be able to easily scroll back and re-read an older post without having to go dig up that feed.
Is there a way you could add an option to replicate the Reader-like behavior of showing the posts in a folder chronologically?
I'm actually really fan of how Google Reader worked. But I can change my habits to use a free (as in freedom) software, that's not a problem. However, I didn't find how to create a feed of shared items, and that's a huge deal-breaker for me, I really need this feature (like I said in my previous comment, I use it a lot). Also, I'd love an Android app…
I develop one called Lilina which aims to be themable and pluggable, and offers APIs to that effect. I'd love to have feedback on it and see if it suits your needs.
We are working on startup: http://intigi.com. You can subscribe to your RSS or Twitter feeds and then filter the feeds by your interests (i.e., using keywords).
In terms of social features, you can make any interest public and share it with others. You can also follow or fork any of the public interests (like Github).
We are in early stages with the social features (and overall product) and would really appreciate any feedback/input! You can email me at mjfern@intigi.com or use the feedback button throughout the site.
damn, I fell for it again: joined, didn't particularly like it, decided to delete my account... and there is no way to do it.
Sigh. You guys keep doing this, and sooner or later some EU commissioner with half a brain will crack down on the practice, and then we'll all be poorer.
I've deleted your account. :-) We're still in Beta. Can you be specific about what you didn't like? Please email me at mjfern@intigi.com. Thanks in advance! Michael
I dislike it too. I signed up with serverdensity to try it out, and after 4 separate email exchanges with support -- each one asking for my account to be delete...it still hasn't happened. I keep getting brush off replies like 'have you tried X?' and 'Are you sure?'.
The service itself wasn't bad (I had some feedback that was likewise ignored/brush off), but I would never recommend them to anyone for this reason alone.
I just read an article (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/10/sharebros-...) about a service called Hivemined that some people are currently putting together. I'm hoping that since the impetus for building this new service is the destruction of Reader, it will actually be a worthy replacement. Fingers crossed...
I'm happy with Netvibes. It has a widget view like iGoogle and a Reader view like Google Reader. I find the latter to be better now. It integrates with Facebook and Twitter, if it's the kind of social stuff you want. It won't push what others like to you, however. That's what Twitter is for.
I must say, this new design is much less readable. I'll probably end up abandoning the web interface altogether and reverting to using Google Reader simply to synchronize my feeds across platforms.
Back when I used WIndows, I used FeedReader, but I'm not sure what other programs are out there for Linux or Android that sync with Google Reader.
Overall, with the minimalistic Greasmonkey script, it's not bad. One thing that I don't like is that in expanded view, there is no visual indication to differentiate read from unread items. In list view, read items are grey. Why didn't they do something similar in expanded view? I keep having to look over at the unread count on the left.
It's crazy to me the amount of grousing about the Google Reader cheese-moving. The old system was an opaque, user-antagonistic, hacked-on mess.
The new system (integration with +) is rational and a superset of the old system, as far as I can tell.
I also choose to consider this as a precursor to many rational changes/extensions to Google Reader.
Let me be clear: I am sooo glad that I can finally direct Google Reader shared items to specific groups, so I don't have to spam everyone who follows me with every single item, which pretty much guaranteed that 80% of my feed was irrelevant/stupid/boring to any given person.
Now all I need are public, topical feeds that are subscribable/discoverable. RSS, in other words.
I was part of a community of people I liked, and now,
after I clicked a button, that was gone. I miss those people already. I don't recall anything on the text that clearly said "oh yeah, stuff will be gone, including your friends, and we meant to do that."
If I want to share now, I have to do so publicly with the Internet or click a "share" button way in the upper right and then build up groups. There does not seem to be an easy way to get my friends back and to get them into a reader feed. I apparently have to look at my G+ feed if a friend sends me an item. I do not seem to have any convenient way to filter out those useful posts from all the spam of G+.
I had easy access to search a list of things that I had found interesting over the years, and now, I guess I'm going to have to find another program to even look at that. I do appreciate that it was not outright destroyed, so thanks for that kindness.
Visually, I'm baffled. Apparently, grey and slightly darker grey are now visually effective colors for distinguishing things. I can, of course, adjust to this but overall it does not instill me with confidence.
I am, obviously, now looking for a way back to what I had this morning. If someone figures that out, I'll thank them. If it's something that needs support, I'll support it.
I don't know why they just didn't try to automatically convert the Readers categories of users into G+ circles, plus a button "not on G+? click here and join".
Google -1 on this one.
(and yeah, the new grey-on-grey style is really bad and depressing.)
I don't understand either. I fully expected them to add a new circle for me called "Google Reader Friends" or something but they didn't. Even better would've been in that popup saying hey look, something new! to give the option of creating that very circle. Very big and obvious oversight.
Google has a lot of trouble connecting with end users, especially end users that aren't of the majority of their users (e.g. users who use more than just search and gmail). This is more confirmation.
Google gave out notifications about the changes in Reader (including taking away social functions).
You can still download everything you had before and it wouldn't be much work to put all those followers/followees(?) into a circle and share with just them. Although I do agree that should have been done automatically.
Who were these friends? I've always been very confused by the interface, and would sometimes see little notes "2 people liked this", but I had no idea who they were!
Were they email contacts? Did I accidentally friend some people on a Reader-specific social network at some point?
Google Reader circa yesterday provided an inbox-style interface for all of your content. A feed had read and unread items, and folders allowed you to compose macro-inboxes, and (this is the change) shared content was treated in the same way, if not better—new comments on this content would be clearly indicated, allowing for in-app discussions.
Today, Google Reader has made shared content a second-class feed. With the removal of the inbox-style interface, if you miss a friend's shared item on Google Plus (possibly buried in other items), it's gone. The closest you can come to a 'mark as unread' functionality is through a work-around: creating a memberless 'save for later' circle, to share items with. Furthermore, shared content isn't even visible within Google Reader.
I can't be alone in thinking this was a good interface for sharing articles. If anybody has an alternative RSS reader with this functionality, please let me know. I would pay for this, but I can see it being a tough sell generally.
Conesus, I think you've mentioned in a different thread that you have social features in the pipeline: is this something you're aiming at?
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[ 2.2 ms ] story [ 170 ms ] threadBut integration with plus is definitely a welcome change. More often than not, I've decided against sharing simply because it's inappropriate to everyone following me.
the topmost the feed content can be read is ~193px from the top of the browser. And you can't scroll down because of the way the page it built.
On a 13inch Macbook add the Mac App bar, Chrome (tabs + search-url + bookmarks toolbar) a third of the readable area is covered with "bars".
NOTE: I haven't checked to see if this plugin still works on the new google reader design.
To my surprise, there's often lots of very informing stuff on economic/political questions I might search about; it's like consulting my own private network of expert commentary, and is often more useful to me than google search.
as someone who is fairly invested in Google Reader, it pains me that this has been a UI step backwards.
It's lot less usable; defaulting every link to black, like the rest of the interface, makes scanning for links really painful, and there's still a good 130px of useless interface chrome that is taking up space for no good reason.
Blargh! Looks like I'm going to be loading some custom stylesheets very soon.
I haven't set up a style for google reader (yet) but Stylish extension for Firefox does a good job letting me customize sites. I don't use it on every site, but places I view regularly I tweak.
I have a style for news.yc http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3085416
http://userstyles.org/styles/55550/google-reader-g-edition-m...
.read > .card { border: 1px solid #f357a1 !important; }
Adds a pinkish border around the cards of read items.
The physical separation between the item you're sharing and the screen element you have to click to share it strikes me as rather counter-intuitive.
My problem with the new Reader is the lack of visual indication of read vs unread items.
Yeah, I had a few people complaining in my twitter timeline and I thought, "Everyone always bitches when something new gets rolled out. It can't be that bad, come on." I logged in and I wasn't impressed but it was he lack of read vs. unread that pushed me over the edge.
Here's the main kicker of that: What's the point of marking the unread count on the left hand sidebar if there's no way to see which ones in the main view? This is what makes me think it's half-baked. They half-removed a feature.
Upon close examination, the headline text (not background) for unread is black on white, while the headline for read is very dark grey text on white. The headline for the item being currently read is also black on white.
The contrast is almost unnoticeable (I didn't notice it before), in particular because it's text on a bright background. I'd have to adjust my monitor gamma to make the distinction obvious, at the cost of color reproduction elsewhere. There is more variance in the shades of grey of text on my monitor from viewing angles than there is from this read / unread distinction.
The text varies between #000000 (black) and #222222 (87% black). Good luck distinguishing 87% black text on a white background from 100% black.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RWN8fsl7HjX5SFul8mb7OJ...
So, yeah. The 'read state' of Google Reader is half-baked in expanded view.
Still wish they'd give +1 a search tool, and make all the previously shared items shared on Google+. But then again, this is power-user wishlist, and Google has been moving away from us.
This is not so bad for Google+, as it has an API, but it is terrible for Google Reader, as it still doesn't have an API. Guess this[1] issue was not starred enough on Google Code...
[1] http://code.google.com/p/gdata-issues/issues/detail?id=29
Also I'm not sure what prompted Google to move the star button from the left of the heading to the right. Titles are variable-length so it doesn't make sense to put a frequently used UI element in a position where it would constantly change..
I really think Google makes decisions like this: "The data says the search bar is only used occasionally. Okay, so that means it needs to be bigger so more people use it." Search in a reader is fine, but it needs to be about as prominent as "search this page" is in a browser.
It had stuff like:
- "Circles" aka, letting you group your contacts however you like and see what each group shared with you and share stuff with all your contacts or just certain groups.
- Feed and user discovery and recommendations. "People who read X also read:" and "Look who subscribes to this feed" type of thing.
- Keyboard shortcuts, auto discovery, opml import/export etc. All the usual feed reader stuff.
Check out this old intro video I made for it (social/interesting parts start around 1:40). The design in the video is out-dated though, it ended up looking like this, http://feedeachother.com/screenshot_500.png. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Ltwh4AO_w&feature=youtu...
Maybe I should turn it back on? Any takers?
If anybody out there has a social RSS reader start-up, feel free to reply to this and advertise your service. I will drag my friends to it along with me.
(Yes, I use Twitter, Instapaper, news aggregate sites, etc. Yes social software has changed how i would otherwise discover links/news. But I still need an RSS reader, and the passive sharing in old Google Reader is a layer of social that one takes for granted in almost any app. I get why they took it out (they think they're helping G+), but it doesn't work for me.)
Also, that doesn't solve the problem that others can't comment on the shared item.
But it doesn't solve the discovery part- having a place where I can see everything my friends are sharing- unless they do it too.
I already tried Tiny Tiny RSS and NewsBlur but I don't really like them. There's rssLounge left, I'll try it tomorrow if I have enough time. Does anyone knows another one of these opensource webapp feed aggragator?
For now, I'll continue sharing using icebraining tips (to create a tag).
In Google Reader, I liked to look at all the feeds in a category and just see all the posts from each of those feeds in the reading pane, most recent first. I can almost do the same thing in NewsBlur with the "river of news," but it only shows me unread posts, which is usually OK but it's nice sometimes to be able to easily scroll back and re-read an older post without having to go dig up that feed.
Is there a way you could add an option to replicate the Reader-like behavior of showing the posts in a folder chronologically?
http://getlilina.org/
In terms of social features, you can make any interest public and share it with others. You can also follow or fork any of the public interests (like Github).
We are in early stages with the social features (and overall product) and would really appreciate any feedback/input! You can email me at mjfern@intigi.com or use the feedback button throughout the site.
Thanks in advance!
Sigh. You guys keep doing this, and sooner or later some EU commissioner with half a brain will crack down on the practice, and then we'll all be poorer.
The service itself wasn't bad (I had some feedback that was likewise ignored/brush off), but I would never recommend them to anyone for this reason alone.
#entries .entry .card-common { background: #eee} #entries .entry .card-actions { background: #eee }
#entries .entry.read .card-common { background: #fff} #entries .entry.read .card-actions { background: #fff }
Back when I used WIndows, I used FeedReader, but I'm not sure what other programs are out there for Linux or Android that sync with Google Reader.
Someone wrote an AppEngine service [1] to transcode Google+ to RSS, but they shut it down after Google raised the AppEngine feeds.
[1] http://www.ghacks.net/2011/07/13/google-plus-rss-feeds/
http://plusfeed2.appspot.com/
The new system (integration with +) is rational and a superset of the old system, as far as I can tell.
I also choose to consider this as a precursor to many rational changes/extensions to Google Reader.
Let me be clear: I am sooo glad that I can finally direct Google Reader shared items to specific groups, so I don't have to spam everyone who follows me with every single item, which pretty much guaranteed that 80% of my feed was irrelevant/stupid/boring to any given person.
Now all I need are public, topical feeds that are subscribable/discoverable. RSS, in other words.
I was part of a community of people I liked, and now, after I clicked a button, that was gone. I miss those people already. I don't recall anything on the text that clearly said "oh yeah, stuff will be gone, including your friends, and we meant to do that."
If I want to share now, I have to do so publicly with the Internet or click a "share" button way in the upper right and then build up groups. There does not seem to be an easy way to get my friends back and to get them into a reader feed. I apparently have to look at my G+ feed if a friend sends me an item. I do not seem to have any convenient way to filter out those useful posts from all the spam of G+.
I had easy access to search a list of things that I had found interesting over the years, and now, I guess I'm going to have to find another program to even look at that. I do appreciate that it was not outright destroyed, so thanks for that kindness.
Visually, I'm baffled. Apparently, grey and slightly darker grey are now visually effective colors for distinguishing things. I can, of course, adjust to this but overall it does not instill me with confidence.
I am, obviously, now looking for a way back to what I had this morning. If someone figures that out, I'll thank them. If it's something that needs support, I'll support it.
Google -1 on this one.
(and yeah, the new grey-on-grey style is really bad and depressing.)
That's just classic Edward Tufte design aesthetics.
You can still download everything you had before and it wouldn't be much work to put all those followers/followees(?) into a circle and share with just them. Although I do agree that should have been done automatically.
Were they email contacts? Did I accidentally friend some people on a Reader-specific social network at some point?
Today, Google Reader has made shared content a second-class feed. With the removal of the inbox-style interface, if you miss a friend's shared item on Google Plus (possibly buried in other items), it's gone. The closest you can come to a 'mark as unread' functionality is through a work-around: creating a memberless 'save for later' circle, to share items with. Furthermore, shared content isn't even visible within Google Reader.
I can't be alone in thinking this was a good interface for sharing articles. If anybody has an alternative RSS reader with this functionality, please let me know. I would pay for this, but I can see it being a tough sell generally.
Conesus, I think you've mentioned in a different thread that you have social features in the pipeline: is this something you're aiming at?