Ask HN: How on earth are you using your Apple computer with external displays?

83 points by n42 ↗ HN
I own four different Apple computers -- a 2017 MacBook Pro, an M1 MacBook Air, an M1 MacBook Pro, and most recently a maxed out Mac Studio. I also have had in that timespan three different Windows desktops that I have built and a ThinkPad running Windows or Linux depending on the mood.

I have spent countless dollars on cables and adapters in an attempt to find the magic combination. I have read DisplayPort specs, I know every brand of certified cable. I now know way more than I would ever care to know about DisplayPort and HDMI protocols. I have tried 4 different brands and models of monitor. For one of those models, I had three of the exact same model. All combinations work flawlessly with anything that is not one of the Apple devices. I have all but eliminated any of these components being the problem.

Depending on the device and the day I will get:

- Visual artifacts like snow, lines, flickering

- Failure to support native resolution on any high resolution monitors

- Failure to support high refresh rates

- Forced scaling, detecting monitor as a TV and using interlacing

- Most reliably of all, failure to wake from sleep without plugging/unplugging; doing a dance with power cycling my monitor or device until it finally works, or just giving up and logging into my Windows PC because today I can't use my Apple computer

It's never all at once, but it's always at least one thing. In the time of owning any of these devices, I have without exaggeration, not once had the expected experience of sitting down at my desk and starting my day without fighting my computer to work properly with my monitor.

Searching the internet, I can't be alone. All of the problems I have, as far as I can tell, other people experience. And as far as I can tell, no one has an answer. I'm at a breaking point after ordering this $4k desktop Mac Studio and waiting 3 months for it to arrive. I hoped that, being a device that requires an external display, they at least worked it out with this one.

They did not.

So how does the entire professional industry working with Apple computers manage to start their day, every day, like this? Am I insane? Is no one else dealing with this? Are you all just using the built in display? This has been going on for YEARS for me, across multiple generations of devices.

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I can't speak for anything but my old Mac Mini (late `09). I have two monitors connected to it, both using 3rd party adapters I bought on Amazon. They go bonkers every now and then and I have to jiggle the cables on them to get them working.

I've always blamed that on the adapters and cable connectors and, of course, Apple's bullshit proprietary connectors. It's really only been slightly annoying though.

But I only paid about $550 for my Mac Mini. I'd be very pissed if that was the case with a brand new 4k Mac Studio rig.

I‘m in the same boat. It‘s the single most annoying thing about the Mac experience. I have NO IDEA what Apple is waiting for.
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Never had an issue when using a single external monitor. That across Macbook Pros going back to 2013.

Dual external monitors are a different beast. Here I get random issues depending on the external monitors ranging from:

- random reorganisation of my apps

- different resolutions not working well

- one monitor constantly flickering (this may be due to the use of a docking station)

Waking up from sleep works 99% of the time with a single press on the keyboard.

A bigger issue for me is theac not actually going to sleep when I turn off the screen.

So, not sure about your specific problems. Macs can be fiddly, but they tend to work for my professional use case (programming).

You are very lucky. I had so many issues with external monitors. I have regularly seen coworkers fiddling with dongles, cables and trying different monitors.

The issue seems also software related because if you would try the same screen or dongle with another MacBook it works fine, but it keeps failing on the malfunctioning MacBook. It is infuriating because the interface provides zero feedback.

The most annoying bug for me is when you "unplug in the wrong order" and the MacBook screen does not wake up when not plugged to an external monitor. You have to go back to your monitor and replug it and then "unplug in the correct order".

I have a caldigit thunderbolt 3 dock with my 2019 16” MBP. I’m running two monitors off of the dock with a third off of a USB-C to DisplayPort adapter, other than waiting for my Mac to recognize my displays (maybe 20s max), it remembers my layout consistently and works reliably.
Basically same experience for me. CalDigit TB 3 dock, 2019 16" MBP.

I use 2 external displays, a 27" Dell and a 24" Dell. Works very reliably. Dock settings, window locations, everything is solid.

Most of the cheaper docks AND adapters are utter crap, though. That makes the entire ecosystem hard to negotiate, for a lot of users. It's unclear to me how Apple can help with that, though.

Same with their USB-C Pro dock, that is TB3 but works well on USB-C too. 2x4k@60Hz over TB3 and 2x1080P@60Hz over USB-C if on another machine. It charges well enough to not worry either. But again, yeah that recognition time is terrible on the same machine mostly(2020 MB Pro 16" Intel with the 8GB ATI)
This and similar devices from the same brand have worked for me most of the time, this one for me does drive my 240Hz monitor correctly. https://a.co/d/26KVNYg

Apple laptops do have some problems waking up properly with external monitors. It’s not the cable or the monitor but the computer not handling the situation properly.

The only laptops that do are ones with docking ports.

My monitors have always worked fine with my Macs. I actually have/have had the same models as you.

I rarely use the internal display.

I make sure to use good quality cables and displays (Dell 4K and Acer 2K at 144 hz, currently).

Same. I have an Acer ultrawide.

2 different MacBooks (an intel pro and m1 pro). Each connected to an Anker dock. The docks are connected via HDMI to an HDMI/USB KVM switch from CKL, then I have a 20ft HDMI cable and USB cable to run across the room to my desk.

The only time I hit issues is if I reboot the laptops while disconnected from the docks. They won’t pick up the monitor unless they’re logged in when I connect them.

Otherwise, I toggle back and forth between them with the KVM remote with no issues.

Which KVM do you use that has a remote? That's so handy.
Or the guy you’re asking but rather, one guy up. I use a couple cheap IOGear KVMs with remotes and they work fine.
Remote may be a bit of a misnomer. The CKL KVMs ( https://cklkvm.com/ ) have a wired remote.

That said, the “remote” is pretty simple. It uses what looks like a mini-A to mini-A USB cable, but they use the connector as a 6th pin. I needed the remote to be further away, so I cut the stock cable and used 6 wires of an Ethernet cable to add an extra 15ft.

Never have an issue. I got a Thunderbolt 4 Razer docking station and it just works
I’ve never had these issues and I just use cheap cables and multiple adapters, like thunderbolt to usbc.
I use LG 5K monitors pretty exclusively with my macs (lots), and the only problems I have are with cable-stress (I think one of the included cables out of ~20 monitors got damaged and wobbly, so I replaced it.)
Same with two displays. Drove me nuts. The worst is with a dock.

I'm simply reaolved to the fact that MacOS is terrible with multiple monitors, it's simply not designed to work like that.

It did seem to get a little better the last year though. Still not anywhere close to the ppug and play experience of windows.

I have an M1 Air and I use it with a Samsung CRG9 monitor. For a while I had to manually set the refresh rate, which was annoying, but since the latest MacOS update I haven’t had any issues.
I’ve always used my MacBook pros with external displays and haven’t ever had these issues. I use a Samsung 4K monitor that I’ve had for a few years now, but even before that I don’t remember having issues. Max mini also works fine with the same.
Likewise. Currently I have a HP Z27 27-inch 4K UHD Display. I just connect the cable (USB-C) and it works. I have adjusted the scaling manually for personal preference. No issues (even in the past with other monitors).

At work we also got a batch of LG 27" Class 4K UHD IPS LED Monitors (27UK850-W). Again, just work.

The main thing to note here is I picked these monitors because it only requires a single USB-C connection for display and power.

Is your monitor 60hz, or a higher refresh rate?
My intel mac mini works just fine with two 1920x1200 displays both over usb-c to displayport. The HDMI port is utter shit.

Dunno how much they messed up with the M1/2 yet because I don't dare upgrade. Waiting for more kinks to be ironed out software compatibility wise.

I haven't made the jump to 4K where the problems seem to be though. Still hoping for the ressurection of 16:10 displays :)

I’ve used the Uni branded usb-c to DisplayPort and HDMI with both Intel and M1 based MacBook/Mac Mini daily. Haven’t had any issues on an ultrawide.
My Macbook Pro is connected to a Dell QHD display for years without any issues.
LG 43UD79-B[1]; CalDigit TS3 Plus[2]; Mac Mini M1 and 2017 MacBook Pro. Almost every possible combination of TB->TB, USBC->DP, TB->(dock)DP->USBC, USBC->HDMI, HDMI->HDMI, etc with or without the dock, with different USBC->HDMI converters, with different cables - just works, getting smooth 4K@60. Use a good USBC/TB cable though, 90cm is max.

I've also tried the Mini's HDMI port with all kinds of very weird screens and capture cards, including an old WaveShare 7" 1024x600 that doesn't even send an EDID - that kinda worked too.

[1]: https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-43UD79-B-4k-uhd-led-monito... [2]: https://www.caldigit.com/ts3-plus/

Any non-apple 4k monitor gives me an actual headache using macos because of the scaling. Windows and ubuntu on the other hand work with these monitors since they scale their os differently (I run at 4k at 150% zoom).

The solution is (unfortunately) to spend money on the lg ultrafine 5k or studio display. These have a higher PPI compared to every other monitor on the market. I run my lg ultrafine at native scaling. No more headaches and my productivity using macos 10x'd.

2017 MBP to Anker minidock to HDMI to 47” Samsung TV.

2012 Mac mini to HDMI to Epson projector.

With the Samsung, a restart requires me to reset the underscan. Interestingly, the slider is in the correct spot when I open monitor settings, but I have to drag it a tiny bit to get it to kick in.

I’ve plugged a series of Airs and one Pro into the same 24” Dell monitor for close to a decade now. It’s been via DisplayPort, DVI, and HDMI. Right now it’s via HDMI through a USBC breakout box.

Every once in a while it will be a little flickery, or offset weirdly. This always indicates that I didn’t plug the cable in correctly when I put the laptop on the desk. Re-seating it always fixes it.

I use the laptop closed. Don’t like multiple displays.

Life is not perfect for me, the driver for the Wacom tablet on my desk never recognizes it when I wake up the computer, so I have to unplug and reconnect the tablet. Which is annoying given that I don’t have a mouse/touchpad/etc available on the desk. (I’m an artist, I use the tablet for pretty much everything.)

Dunno what you’re doing. I assume you’ve checked obvious things like connecting it with a guest account. And maybe trying the computer on other displays outside your home?

Good luck finding a cause, this sounds super annoying.

What is the horizontal resolution on this 24" Dell monitor?
1920×1200.
The person you are replying to refers to "high resolution monitors", which probably means a lot higher than 1920.

(He also mentions "high refresh rate".)

Try Thunderbolt
I bought LG 4k display and MacBook m1. I’m using usb-c cable supplied with display. It worked fine.
M1 Air, Philips PHL272P7VU, all peripherals hanging off the monitor's USB hub. Works fine except for:

1) macOS doesn't support controlling external display brightness, a utility called "MonitorControl" solves that.

2) Audio L/R balance on the USB audio adapter gets set wonky periodically, it's apparently a common issue with external audio to the point that there is a utility called "Balance Lock" to kludge past it.

I didn't know MonitorControl existed, it's exactly what I've been looking for - it actually properly controls my LG external display's brightness and contrast via DCC.
Also check out Lunar if you want more automated adaptive brightness: https://lunar.fyi

There’s a comparison table between Lunar and MonitorControl here: https://lunar.fyi/#comparison

MonitorControl’s DDC code for M1 is borrowed from Lunar so they both do the same thing at the low level.

This has always been a problem with MacBooks for as long as I remember, with different technologies, screens, adapters/hubs, and MacBook revisions.

I just came to terms with having to re-plug the cables once in a while or whatever seems to be the workaround for the current technology's woes.