Ask HN: Why do AI ethicists have such a high termination rate?

11 points by Jimmc414 ↗ HN

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First guess is it exist in a weird spot between progress and reasonable concern, but is a way less protected position than other industrial-ethics consultant work.
Why do you think this particular segment has fallen short of employer's expectations ?
Wasn’t there that guy who tried to hire a civil rights lawyer for an A.I.?
What is the termination rate? How do we know it is high or above average?
Sometimes I think AI ethicist is the ultimate bullshit job.

OpenAI for instance withholds GPT-3 from the public presumably to protect us from something dangerous but really they are protecting their bank account from the costs of running an inefficient model and preventing people from playing with it and discovering it really isn’t that good.

There is that rationalist cult that claims to be atheistic but really worships the eschaton from Iron Sunrise, they talk about A.I. ethics as an issue to boost their own self-importance, they think they are saving the world the same way Scientologists do.

How do you do a performance review for that job? What would "success" look like?

Failure could be determined easily: When Skynet starts eliminating humanity, you can be pretty sure your ethicists have failed, right? So as long as that is not happening, they're doing a good job?

1. only certain types of companies will hire AI ethicists in the first place

2. only specific types of people will be interested in those positions

3. disagreements are likely to arise given the nature of the work and the problems these companies work on, much more likely compared to other positions

4. once someone is terminated you're likely to hear about it because of the high profile of the company, because it's about AI and ethics, and maybe also because these jobs attract the kind of person who is more likely to go public about their own termination

It's a bunch of selection effects stacked on top of each other.

or to put it another way

anyone who cares about ethics enough to take a job doing it is likely working at a large company whose corporate goals are directly opposed to the ethical limitations of AI because, right now, AIs tend to be biased as !@#$ and it's a bad idea to use them for anything that could have consequences on someone's life, but if you don't use them, then the company doesn't profit, and if you're standing in the way of company profit, you're not going to be in your job long.

[edit: Holy run-on sentences Batman!]

For what it's worth, the first thing that popped into my mind reading the title is "bullshit job".

The second thing was those religious fucks in Game of Thrones [spoiler alert] who start small, get invited to court, gain control, and end up getting blown up.