Ask HN: Should I sell my vintage computer collection?

62 points by andrewstuart ↗ HN
I'm moving house after 10 years and realising just how many computers I have accumulated in 20 years of collecting.

I have all sorts of machines, and in fact whilst packing up the house I keep finding boxes that have been mailed to me from eBay purchases that I never opened - I don't even know what's in them.

To illustrate how many I have, the other day I thought "Do I have an Amiga? I think I do." and I went looking through boxes. I opened a box and on top was an Amiga 1200. Underneath it were two Amiga 1000's.

I have two Apple 2 computers signed by Steve Wozniak.

I'm conflicted about whether to keep all these machines or not. On one hand, having them makes me feel good inside at some level. Howver, I don't DO anything with them - they mostly stay in boxes. Partly this is because I am way too busy doing real world stuff to be fiddling with vintage technology, partly it's because I think for me the joy is in the wanting, the finding and the buying.

I'm pretty sure I've developed this habit because as a child in the last 1970's and early 80's we could never afford a computer for many years, when it was something I wanted more than anything in the world.

Partly I hold back from selling them because firstly if I regret it then I'll never be able to build such a collection again. Partly I think maybe I'll get around to playing with them when (if) I ever "retire".

On the other hand it's sort of a burden to have this giant collection of "stuff". I don't have anywhere nice to display them, and vintage computers need a level of care and attention I just can't give.

In favor of selling them I would probably get maybe a number of thousand dollars which would help buy a house - something I ned a whole lot more than I need a bunch of vintage computers.

I dunno - what do you think HN, sell the collection or keep them?

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You can sell some and keep some.
A significant problem I noticed after moving my collection out of storage after about three years is that there is quite a bit of damage to the systems - leaking batteries, failed capacitors etc. Selling will only make sense if the systems are working, so you should expect having to invest quite a lot of time and some money to repair the damaged machines (or sell them for parts, but then the prices will probably be significantly lower).
Yeah I'm concerned about the caps. Most of my machines are too old to have batteries.
Some of the Amigas definitely have small lithium batteries that keep the NVRAM and real-time clock alive. These tend to leak rather often and the corrosive contents eat away PCB traces. So better double-check, I lost a Mac IIcx due to a leaking battery; luckily my NeXTs and the other Macs are fine (but need some recapping).
How about picking the 10 that you feel a personal relation with, give them a proper display in your new home and sell the rest? I had a glimpse of that when i needed to clear the stuff from family members after they died. As soon as it feels like a burden, try to lessen that burden. I feel better thinking that somebody may have fun with it now, than grieving that I "currently" can't be the one.
Yes this may be the way to go. My son advocates this.

I also have a real passion for analog televisions and radios. I have too many of those too.

I am one of these people but also recognize I should not have so much stuff.

The way I have dealt with it is with a few principles:

1. Emulation for the ones taking up the most space and also with the least power. I sold my Commodore 64 collection. 2. Get rid of games in favor of flash carts. Compatibility via using original hardware. 3. For buying a new system, it better have something cool I missed out on. After all, my collecting started because I felt like I missed out on a lot of things. Example: 3DO is a system which makes little sense to buy.

I seriously suggest finding a therapist. The fact that there are so many boxes that you haven't opened makes this hoarding. Don't make it unnecessarily hard on yourself. A therapist will help you through this.
Yeah it's hoarding.

Though a day may come where I might find life is at the right point to create a little computer museum. Maybe.

And it may not, in which case you've stored these for years for no real reason. I'm selling off the majority of my own collection because of this. I've told myself for years "maybe when things quiet down I can make a cool space to show them off". In the meantime, I've moved four times and had three kids. Most of it has been in boxes or bins throughout. I just have to accept that my life changed directions and it's not going to happen.
Yeah, that's exactly my point. A therapist will help you work through those kinds of thoughts.

They might ask you some leading questions on how you might work towards making that museum a reality now, instead of some nebulous future, or how you might come to accept that a computer museum is an unrealistic goal. I'm not saying that either of those things are "right". I'm just some punter on the internet who is making assumptions based on his own problems with hoarding (VR headsets and hobby project materials, in my case). The therapist will help you work through what you really, truly, want out of your life and create the sounding board and accountability to make you admit why you're avoiding it.

I got super overwhelmed with the search for a therapist. My health insurance had a provider search form online and when I used it, it came up with 3000 hits in a 5 mile radius around my house. That was ridiculous. I eventually realized that there actually was no way to make a decision on a therapist just from reading profiles on the internet. So I found local healthcare centers that had a lot of therapists on staff, looked up reviews for them, and called the center that had the most positive reviews. They then helped me schedule my first appointment with my therapist, because fitting your schedule is probably more important than finding exactly the right person the first time.

I'm somewhat considering changing to a different therapist, but I achieved a much more important thing: I got started, and I got into the system that can make it very easy to switch.

I grinding down the "collection" of my elderly, hoarder father. Here in California, all this "vintage" stuff is essentially worthless. Not only because there is no practical use for obsolete tech, but because there are so many other hoards out there. It's a bit like everyone who thought their decades of National Geographic magazines had value, but libraries do not want them because there are so many identical boxes of these left over from estate sales. In many ways, tech is worse. Hoarders think of it as having intrinsic value like precious metals, but I'd say old tech is more like expired canned food. Too many expired goods and not enough interested recipients, since the pre-expiration purpose of the goods is no longer relevant.

Roughly speaking, I am sifting large piles into several categories: somewhat contemporary stuff I can donate to a charity who might resell/reuse at least some of it; e-waste and metal I "donate" to a licensed scrapper for proper disposal; batteries and other items I separate and hand over to the county's household hazardous waste handler; recyclable paper and plastic; recordable media I have to at least attempt to erase before figuring out disposal as per above; and landfill for whatever is left.

Because he had no inventory, and hoarding seems to be an almost fractal disorder, I feel obligated to carefully sift and break down every item until all hiding places are revealed. I cannot predict when I will come across something in the midst which requires special handling. I wish I had found piles already sorted, so I could have just done the back-breaking work of shifting them out of the house in one heroic push. Instead, I have been forced to become intimate with it all. Now, I have an involuntary hobby to do this a little bit each week, filling the curbside bins and taking the occasional car load to other disposal sites.

I have had to remind myself not to "cry over spilled milk" and dwell on the sunk cost of all the unnecessary things he hoarded. It's hard to say how much that money (properly invested) could have gone to supporting his care and quality of life in the end. But it is all a liability to me now, as attempting to recover any value from it would take more of my time and cause more grief than it is possibly worth.

I’m interested in the signed Apple 2.
Ha ha yes they're probably my most valuable machines - I have two of them. They're the ones I'm most likely to keep I think.
I'd keep one and sell the other one.
Why don't you donate some to a museum? I'm sure they will find a space for them.
Or find a museum with nice people who know what they are doing and are looking for this. Gift or sell to them or borrow it to them (I don’t know the english word) like collectors do with paintings to museums. I have 1000s of vintage computers myself and different places are showing and keeping them. Right temperature etc and fixing them when broken and having many people who can see and try (some of) them. I kept 20 of them to play with which I had many doubles of anyway; MSX, c64, 2600, zx spectrum, Amiga and Atari st.

If you decide to sell; I am interested.

Yes if there was a really great museum I trusted this might be something I'd consider. Here in Australia there's not much in the way of technology museums. There's Powerhouse, but I don't know if they would care much about such a collection.

  > Here in Australia there's not much in the way of technology museums.
It sounds like you live in one. Seriously, you say that you don't have the means to display the equipment, but maybe a university or non-technology museum might be happy to maintain a technology exhibit.
Try emailing some of the people at the Computer Museum in Mountain View and try to get them to pay for the cost of shipping.
The English word you were looking for is "lend"

I lend you the computer

You borrow the computer from me

I didn't have anything like a collection myself, but I did own an Amiga 500 and breadbin C64. I sold them, for lack of time to actually use them.

I sometimes regret selling the 500.

> In favor of selling them I would probably get maybe a number of thousand dollars which would help buy a house

Prepping them for sale will be real work; which you sound like you have enough of already. If you believe their value to be high and it turns out no one will bid anything like that much on them, you may become discouraged and more attached to them.

It may be worth turning of the stack of "to be disposed of" to someone else for selling or etc and ignoring the details as they can only lead to distress.

Locating another packrat who possibly has plenty of money is probably hard and an organization that would spend a lot of time and money to properly sort through and maybe display some of the gear even harder. It's somewhat painful to say but just because there are almost certainly people in the world who would monetarily value a bunch of obsolete stuff doesn't mean it's worth trying to track down those people.

And best case, you get a few $K for it? Probably not worth it.

That's maybe a cynical take on things but it's the conclusion I've come to.

I don't think they're suggesting finding someone who values the collection so much as someone who will take care of the chores of listing and shipping that's involved.

If the alternatives are keep it all (undesirable because of space use, etc), sell it yourself (undesirable because of time use and disappointment), dumping it (undesirable because it's good stuff), or letting someone else sell it... Well you're not going to get the monetary value of the collection, but at least it's probably going to someone willing to pay for it... And hopefully they don't let it sit in boxes forever.

Keep, sell, or donate the collection. But please, don't throw all that stuff away. Although I lived the personal computer revolution, I'm just getting started with retrocomputing and I realize more than ever how valuable that stuff is.
My brother in law died last year and left over a hundred vintage computers and game consoles - mostly in boxes (stacks of Amigas) - it was hard for us to work out what was rare/valuable from what wasn't. He was also saving them for some mythical time in the future where he would sort them out and play with them.

At least find the time to open the boxes and document what you've got and whether it works. Ideally you'd find somewhere to put the cream of your collection - a cheap display/book case with glass doors doesn't take up too much room and an area nearby with a monitor/tv would mean it would be easier to play with them.

If you have a working Amiga 1000 or Apple 2 do you need another? Selling duplicates might fund purchases of different machines.

> it was hard for us to work out what was rare/valuable from what wasn't.

If there are any collectors or hoarders here, Please heed this warning.

Eventually you won't be around to take care of your collection. It will eventually be passed down to someone who doesn't want it, and wants to get rid of it.

My dad is a hoarder. There is tons of junk, but there are a few gems mixed in. The problem is, once I inherit it, I have no idea what's actually valuable because it's mixed in with a lot of junk. I cannot research each individual item.

If something is not clearly labeled as valuable, or on a list of valuable items, then it will be lost forever. In my case, my dad has actual junk and trash, I will be renting a dumpster, and something that someone else might want to collect and be willing to pay a high price for, will inevitably get thrown away and lost for good.

If you are a collector or hoarder, and you care about your items, make sure the most valuable ones are identifiable by whomever inherits it.

(I will try to reach out to other collectors before getting rid off stuff, but there is so much junk, they might miss things as well.)

> I'm scared that when I die my wife will sell all my cars for what I told her I paid for them.

(Not my joke)

We're going through this right now. There are hoarder cleanup companies that can help. They're pricey, but we didn't have time and energy to haul out seven dumpsters full of stuff.

Then there are "estate sale" people. They sell the things that are worth money, and give you have of what they make. They keep the other half as their fee.

The problem is if you have to do both - if there's massive amounts of actual trash, but also a fair amount of good stuff. But at least we had some ideas of what categories of things probably included good stuff, so we didn't let the hoarder cleanup people take those.

Also, if your stuff burns down in a fire, you’re more likely to get some insurance money back if you have a well-maintained list of items, serial numbers, purchase price, etc., rather than depending on your post-trauma brain.
Oooh, it'd be a hell of a nostalgia trip to get a ZX Spectrum+!
As with all material goods, keep what you actually use and care about. If something is just sitting in a box unused, then get rid of it. If it's just taking up space in your house collecting dust, why do you have it? Get it in the hands of someone who will make use of it, care for it, and for whom it will bring joy.
Pick a wall in your new house, design a display shelf to cover that wall and populate it with your favorite vintage computers.

What doesn't fit in there should belong to someone else's collection.

Been there done that. I had a huge collection of Acorn and Sun computers. The burden of looking after and storing them was less than the joy that I had from using them. Eventually I sold them all and my life was actually better.

There will be regrets about selling some things. But it’s possibly better to have those regrets to focus you on what you really wanted.

Last year I was contacted by a woman whose late husband had amassed a collection similar to yours.

She had decided to donate the machines to those who would find a use for them, that being old co-workers and student organizations at nearby universities, the latter including me. Who would keep them running and in use instead of just collecting dust.

We actually have a guy who still uses an Amiga at his current job spitting out code and whatnot which is quite cool. :-)

>I dunno - what do you think HN, sell the collection or keep them?

Take a full inventory of what you have. Then move into making a decision.

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I'm an anti-stuff guy so just reading this is giving me anxiety! Why people need to collect anything? It's just stuff!
Well, vintage computers are the ki d of stuff that there is less and less of.

It’s like trying to find and buy a CRT TV these days. Utterly impossible.

Scarcity doesn't imply value.
Only for people looking to buy CRT's at some point in the future. I expect myself to be one such person. If I already had one, then I would much rather hold onto it than run the risk of not being able to acquire it in the future.
sometimes old stuff is better than new stuff, and it’ll probably never be made again.
Donate to a tech history museum.
> Partly I hold back from selling them because firstly if I regret it then I'll never be able to build such a collection again.

This is probably the place to start.

Pick out one or two computers or accessories -- ones that you have duplicates of, ones that maybe you are least attached to, and sell them. Don't spend too long on this -- try to pick something out in a couple days or a week at most, even if you can't go through your entire collection to find the most disposable item in that time. Try to sell the item briskly; don't spend months trying to find the perfect collector, just get it done.

Then see how you feel.

If you got rid of your entire collection at once, it would be an insurmountable challenge to put it back together. But if you sold a half a dozen and then couldn't bear it, reacquiring them becomes an achievable goal.

Sell. It sounds like many are just sitting around.
In my experience there's this weird unspoken "rule" regarding collecting something like Lego, computers, keyboards, cars, etc, that you're never allowed to shrink your collection, just grow it forever.

Maybe think of it as curating or collating your collection?

There may be museums that would take your items, and you can be sure that they'll be cared for correctly by experts.

>There may be museums that would take your items, and you can be sure that they'll be cared for correctly by experts.

Probably not.

Museums and archives have vast collections that are never displayed. The Computer History Museum in Boston closed quite a few years ago and AFAIK, the majority of their collection has never seen the light of day since. It costs a lot of money to display and care for vintage equipment.