In other examples, I might agree. However I think I would like to have my dating pool consist of engineers - people who are more likely to be intelligent and logical.
Though I suppose that would be odd; most people are not intelligent nor are they logical.
Why are you making fun of what I value then? How is that pompous of me to find someone whom I would be compatible with so I don't end up divorced like half of marriages?
Women in countries where women are relatively low status get engineering degrees to make money, not to follow their dreams. Women who get degrees for personal fulfillment don't like engineering so much. This results in women getting more engineering degrees in countries where women are lower status.
Shouldn’t we be artificially limiting the amount of women accepted in order to ensure gender equity? Isn’t this what we normally do, for example to prevent the best Universities from being almost entirely Asian?
"Equity" isn't about equality. It's about making up for the past grievances of the different intersectional identities. So since women missed out in the past, the current generation of men can be sacrificed because of the sins of past generation, despite having no connection (because it's identity politics). I'm not condoning this, just explaining how I think they would probably justify it.
A lot of people, if not the majority (because it's mainstream now), don't realize we no longer live in a society with liberal values of truth, freedom, justice, and equality. We've entered a postmodern era, where everything is a power game, everyone must fit in either oppressor or oppressed, and these categories are based on immutable traits that you cannot change. Quite the irony...
I heard this phrased as people wanting “revenge instead of equality”.
It will be interesting to see what happens as the pendulum continues its over-corrective course. Will there be a long-delayed reckoning like with China's preference for boys and the one child policy? I don't expect the ideologues who are encouraging the current trajectory will be around to pay the price for it.
> A lot of people, if not the majority (because it's mainstream now), don't realize we no longer live in a society with liberal values of truth, freedom, justice, and equality
I think I missed that history class. When was society ever truthful, free, equal, just?
You’re saying a white woman from upper class family is getting lumped into a group that is treated better than man immigrating from Cambodia ? Not sure what kind of grievances white women from upper class families were suffering from but it sure seems less than people from many places in Asia like Cambodia.
I can't see a rhyme or reason to oppression math and the arbitrary groupings, it seems to constantly evolve with politics and blog output. Same as with lumping all "people of color" into the same category. Does an Indian brahmin descendant have the same struggles as a Cambodian immigrant? They're both "Asian", both "POCs", yet their average outcomes couldn't be any more different.
>Isn’t this what we normally do, for example to prevent the best Universities from being almost entirely Asian?
Based on Caltech (no affirmative action by own decision) and Berkeley and UCLA (no affirmative action by elected proposition, although many and varied means are used to attempt to bypass the restriction), elite universities will be "only" about 30-40% Asian without affirmative action.
It's 2021, not 2025. I wonder if this means women are more poised to become breadwinners or if going to university is becoming less correlated with it.
No, in the US people who enroll in Fall 2021 as it says in the article are the Class of 2025 because that’s when they will graduate (assuming the typical 4-year schedule).
On that page there's an "Enrollment by Gender" graph which shows that since 2009 (which is when the graph starts) there's been significantly higher number of females than males over there every year.
Yes, it is normal for entering undergraduates. They haven't yet gone through several rounds of weed-out courses. Most of them will end up changing majors to psychology, sociology, and education.
As someone involved in universities - uni's that are blue are actively discriminatory against men. People from the outside can argue as they like, but when you're actually in it you are told that 1. Men are the cause of bad things everywhere. Congress, Jeff bezos, trump, your typical ideas of patriarchy.
2. Men are responsible for and initiate abuse always. The idea of woman abusing men is not even entertained.
3. Criticism of this means you're sexist/bad/undeserving of life. If you look at how people act on Twitter, that's close to it.
These are actual required classes and is how administration enforces policy.
Most people are taking their ideas of how uni politics were 10-20 years ago. But things have changed. Psuedo-woke Twitter is unfortunately real people, and they have jobs in government.
On top of this:
Universities act as their own courts, they can and will eject students for heresay claims. No due process.
Universities are textbook dictatorships. The students cannot vote for whom makes the rules. Yet they are directly affected.
Their costs and spending have risen dramatically over time. They argue this is because of less government aid - it's really because they don't control spending. They will overspend on cafeteria decor and luxurious dorms. Politically motivated programs that students are forced to pay for.
Why on earth would any young man go into that when there's plenty of trade roles hiring? Make good money, start a family, own your own life.
> I can speak a little towards that. I was a student member of my university's disciplinary board.
> No due process and no fairness for the accused.
> I highly recommend anyone who is requested to go to one, to hire a lawyer.
Weren't there well known cases where they refused to allow the accused's lawyer to participate in the process. Seems like the main use of the lawyer might be to (expensively) sue the school in real court, or at least threaten to do so.
The challenge there is that with more women getting a degree and having higher income, and less willing to date down, having a trades job and income is no guarantee you’ll be able to find a willing partner to start a family with.
The last psychatrist remarked [1] (I miss you), sadly, that women move there where men no longer are interested. With the fall of worth of [2] university education, the percentage of women increases.
[1] "when more women enter a field, it means less men did, and if the men stopped going there, where did they go? Why did they leave? I assume they aren't home with the kids, right?[...] if power seeking men aren't running for Senate, where did they go?" - https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_w...
Guessing the numbers will soon skew even more towards universities in states where you can get an abortion. It sure is where I’d try to go if I were a young woman.
I'd be curious to know what percent of applicants are male/female. Also, what is the average or median profile of boys/girls who apply? Is the school engaging in affirmative action to dampen the sex disparity?
43 comments
[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 56.8 ms ] threadThough I suppose that would be odd; most people are not intelligent nor are they logical.
That's fine, I was pretty odd myself at 18.
A lot of people, if not the majority (because it's mainstream now), don't realize we no longer live in a society with liberal values of truth, freedom, justice, and equality. We've entered a postmodern era, where everything is a power game, everyone must fit in either oppressor or oppressed, and these categories are based on immutable traits that you cannot change. Quite the irony...
It will be interesting to see what happens as the pendulum continues its over-corrective course. Will there be a long-delayed reckoning like with China's preference for boys and the one child policy? I don't expect the ideologues who are encouraging the current trajectory will be around to pay the price for it.
I think I missed that history class. When was society ever truthful, free, equal, just?
I have a value of being fit and healthy.
Sounds like a messed up system.
Based on Caltech (no affirmative action by own decision) and Berkeley and UCLA (no affirmative action by elected proposition, although many and varied means are used to attempt to bypass the restriction), elite universities will be "only" about 30-40% Asian without affirmative action.
These are actual required classes and is how administration enforces policy.
Most people are taking their ideas of how uni politics were 10-20 years ago. But things have changed. Psuedo-woke Twitter is unfortunately real people, and they have jobs in government.
On top of this:
Universities act as their own courts, they can and will eject students for heresay claims. No due process.
Universities are textbook dictatorships. The students cannot vote for whom makes the rules. Yet they are directly affected.
Their costs and spending have risen dramatically over time. They argue this is because of less government aid - it's really because they don't control spending. They will overspend on cafeteria decor and luxurious dorms. Politically motivated programs that students are forced to pay for.
Why on earth would any young man go into that when there's plenty of trade roles hiring? Make good money, start a family, own your own life.
I can speak a little towards that. I was a student member of my university's disciplinary board.
No due process and no fairness for the accused.
I highly recommend anyone who is requested to go to one, to hire a lawyer.
> No due process and no fairness for the accused.
> I highly recommend anyone who is requested to go to one, to hire a lawyer.
Weren't there well known cases where they refused to allow the accused's lawyer to participate in the process. Seems like the main use of the lawyer might be to (expensively) sue the school in real court, or at least threaten to do so.
The challenge there is that with more women getting a degree and having higher income, and less willing to date down, having a trades job and income is no guarantee you’ll be able to find a willing partner to start a family with.
[1] "when more women enter a field, it means less men did, and if the men stopped going there, where did they go? Why did they leave? I assume they aren't home with the kids, right?[...] if power seeking men aren't running for Senate, where did they go?" - https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_w...
[2] "Ernst & Young will no longer require new hires to have a degree" https://medium.com/signals-of-change/ernst-young-will-no-lon...