Ask HN: What technologies have made your life worse?

44 points by lbrito ↗ HN
I'll give just one example. A few weeks ago I took my baby to the doctor for a routine exam, which includes weighing.

Scales are an ancient, pretty straightforward technology. If a skilled craftsman built a scale 300 years ago and it was well maintained over the centuries, I think its reasonable to expect it to still work adequately, and a minimally trained person would be able to operate it.

However, this electronic scale was so complicated and full of gadgetry (including bluetooth) that the hospital staff were unable to weigh my child and we had to go back home and reschedule.

I can think of a million other examples (Juicero...) but I'm more curious to hear of real-life examples like the one I shared.

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Car touchscreens are the worst. More complicated, more failure states, and I can't feel the volume button, so I have to take my eyes off the road.
Yeah - this one. I'm sure there must have been some accidents that occurred because it really requires you to shift your attention to the screen.
Car touchscreens are actively making the world a more dangerous place to live in. And everyone seems ok with it.
Dunno, I consider it a win. 99% of my looking at a touchscreen is at the map/car for more situational awareness. I look for things like is there a traffic jam coming up? Or see some motion out of the corner of my eye, turns out it's a motorcycle splitting lanes behind me. Or the car two cars ahead of me flashes red because it's braking. The always present current speed limit is handy as well, didn't realize how often I used it until I drove a car without it.

At least in Tesla's, it seems like a win for safety. No switching channels, no loading CDs/switching stations (just say "play pink floyd"), no playing with volume (it's on the steering wheel), automatic wipers, (with manual do it now on the stalk), automatic temp control, voice based nav that works well. Seat adjustments are on the seat. Cruise control following distances are on the steering wheel. Pause music is on the steering wheel (or automatic when you receive a call or ask for voice control).

Car's without touchscreens still often require looking, can you change your channel to preset #3 without looking? Switch from heat to AC mode? Defrost your front/rear windshield? Seems about the same as a touch screen, and relatively infrequent.

Not sure what people are doing on their touch screens, but I rarely touch mine, and when I look it's for more info about my environment, not less.

Congrats, we don't all have a Tesla? I'm thinking of the mediocre touchscreen in my Honda.
Sounds ugly, on a tesla it's the left thumb wheel on steering wheel. So not only do you not have to take your eyes off the road, you don't have to take your hands off the wheel.
Tesla doesn't have touchscreens?
The parent complained about not being able to feel the volume knob, but it's just a roller ball on the steering wheel.

The Tesla does have a touch screen, but you don't need them to change the volume, the cruise control follow distance, play a new song, pause a song, make a phone call, use voice nav, manually overwrite the wipers (wipe now), etc.

Internet and the smartphone
Voice over IP. All calls, mobile and landline, seem to run on it these days, introducing a latency that makes phone conversations very different from the way they were back when you had a direct wire connection.
Smartphone is easily the worst, too distracting and addicting. Internet I could still handle when I only had access to it in certain places.
Been toying with leaving my smartphone home and using only a smartwatch for day to day stuff. I can use it for music, maps, emergency calls and contactless payment. So far I'm enjoying it.
Smartphones have had a significantly negative impact on my overall mental health. There's no denying that some of the features they provide clearly give tremendous value namely maps, messaging, and media (pictures/videos). Outside of that and limited utilities it becomes this broadly unfocused time sink that takes copious amounts of self discipline and boundaries to control. Given as an industry we've become so capable at capturing and holding user's attention there's this constant mental fixation on our phones and the continual dopamine hits they provide.

The minimalist smartphone market is developing but still rather anemic in its offering. I continue to watch companies like humane and blloc to see if they can ultimately produce something that is more compelling. Time will tell, but I feel like this is a market we really need more investment in.

I'd class smartphones and in fact the entire Internet as largely negative, for me. But there are a handful of uses of both that are so damn valuable that they're hard to get rid of.

I used to dream about getting rid of both completely when I retire, but the way society and tech are going I expect that means I'd almost never see or hear from my kids or future grandkids or whoever. So, stuck with the crap still, I guess.

Delete all social media apps on your phone. You want none. I can access those sites from my home laptop - which provides just enough ceremony to force me to think what I'm doing. Sometimes I really do want to check in with friends and family, but at least there's just enough pomp and circumstance in order for me to do so that it dissuades the infinite scroll.
Anything that listens to your searches and uses that to tailor Youtube results, future search results, advertisements, etc.

I miss the discoverability of the old internet, and I hate having to do 90% of my searches in Incognito.

inb4 DuckDuckGo, etc.

I want both, tailored searches can be fantastically useful and provide a lot better results. But sometimes I am trying to get out of my own bubble of historical interest and then its a real problem.
IMHO Juicero was a scam. Here's my list.

* Too many remote controls. One for TV, one for AppleTv, one for PS5 if I want to see a movie on bluray, one for the Denon AMP, etc... There should be a standard for that. Something with a touchscreen and an API manufacturers should support. * Touchscreens in cars (already mentioned). My Toyota is not even capacitive and it's a car from 2017. More generally... Touchscreens where they're not needed, like ATMs or vending machines: with all this covid fear, they're not hygienic. * Wireless headphones: battery, quality of sound... I fear the day there will be no wired headphones available on consumer market. I don't care about high quality wireless headphones, I don't want to charge my headphones * Messaging apps. I have to keep iMessage, Telegram, Whatsapp & Signal on my phone because I have different contacts using different apps. It was easier in the SMS era

> Too many remote controls. One for TV, one for AppleTv, one for PS5 if I want to see a movie on bluray, one for the Denon AMP, etc... There should be a standard for that.

Totally agree, although just as an anecdotal experience: I was very surprised this weekend when I set up a soundbar with my TV, which immediately recognized it and did some configuration which allowed me to control the soundbar volume with my normal TV remote.

Had a similar good experience a while ago with a Fire TV. The remote can be configured to control my audio amplifier, although it's a rather obscure brand [0] and not even an AV receiver at that (it only does stereo audio, and has no HDMI or video inputs / pass-through).

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[0] They are, however, very open and publish the remote codes.

Yeah, but what if you want to control just something more complicated than the volume or basic stuff? You'll need its own remote.
> More generally... Touchscreens where they're not needed, like ATMs or vending machines: with all this covid fear, they're not hygienic

I'll go one further and say touch controls. I hate my stove with a passion. It's absolutely horrible to use if my fingers are a tiny bit wet (I know, who has wet hands in the kitchen, right?!). Sometimes, even with dry hands, the on/off button will not register.

I need to press 3 different buttons to turn it on. I need to press two different buttons to change the power, one of which repeatedly if I want to change by more than one step – say to turn one burner off, if I want the others to stay on.

> Too many remote controls. One for TV, one for AppleTv, one for PS5 if I want to see a movie on bluray, one for the Denon AMP, etc... There should be a standard for that. Something with a touchscreen and an API manufacturers should support

There is a standard where you can use some keys in your TV remote to control your device via HDMI, but I never had a device compatible with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control

It works well with the Apple TV, the PS5, the Samsung soundbar I've got and probably others that I can't recall...

I still use their dedicated remotes though, as they have the full functionality whereas CEC only deals with some.

That covers just a subset of functionalities. Expose an API, give users one remote control with a touchscreen or a smartphone app and that's it. One device to rule them all.
Chatbots. Cheap excuse to cut customer service or hide it behind a tedious process of convincing the if-else that it can't actually solve your problem.
Programming languages! It is ironic because I am a programmer and I write programs and develop software for a living. But proliferation of programming languages has made my life worse. Too many programming languages and every company has their own favorites!

It may be an unpopular opinion on HN but I don't enjoy learning new syntaxes every year for relatively few benefits in new concepts or paradigms.

In my ideal world everyone would be using Lisp (my username checks out!) but so much power. It has a simple syntax (some say it has no syntax but I think that is a little hyperbole). In my ideal world new concepts and paradigms are implemented in Lisp using Lisp. I'd much rather spend time solving real problems that real human beings care about. I'd much rather learning new ways of solving problems with new paradigms. I don't want to waste hours learning new syntaxes and their gotchas and edge-cases!

Good thing there are other languages for other peoples preferences!
If Lisp was the only language I'd never program again
If you only had one programming language, this problem would turn into an issue of too many frameworks. The problem isn't that there are too many programming languages; the issue is that there are many ways to structure code around a problem. Different problems incentivize different structures and so you end up with different languages.
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> some say it has no syntax

That was always my impression, you're writing the AST directly, then manipulating it with fancy macros.

~~Simple~~ JavaScript is eating the world. ClojureScript compiles to JS.

I'm convinced that Clojure will be the lisp-uber-language.

EDIT: I shouldn't have said "simple"; nothing ever is. I was being arrogant.

Do you get Javascript error messages in Clojure? That is one of the drawbacks to transpiled languages I have used before.

The best one I’ve used so far is Kotlin, which is a pleasure to use in comparison to Java, but this might be because I used it in an IDE written by the language designers themselves.

> I don't enjoy learning new syntaxes every year

I don't understand why you need to pick up every new language that comes out. Can't you just hold down one job for longer than a year?

it's not the programming languages, it's the programmers.

people can't stop reinventing the wheel. everyone thinks they know better.

I have the same feelings for Lisp, honestly. From Day Zero of my programming experience I dreamt about a “meta” language (overdose of C64’s BASIC V2 caused this symptoms, maybe). I even didn’t know the meta word but years later I found the Lisp and said “yeah, that’s it”.
Automatic vehicle climate control. If the ambient temperature is hotter than the setting I get blasted with frozen air and if it's colder I have to sit in an oven until the car decides it's the correct temperature. I much preferred twisting a knob until the air hitting my face was comfortable. What is comfortable is altered by how active I've been, the time of day, the temperature I've been in before getting into the car, what I'm wearing, etc. Climate control doesn't give a shit about any of that.
In my 1979 BMW, there was a dial for the fan speed, a dial for the temperature, and a slider to control how much outside air came in. It was the best climate control ever.

In the snow I could blast the heat at full fan speed with max temp at my feet while allowing the icy air from outside to blow at my face at the same time to keep me awake.

Don't cars with climate control still have the manual option? You can turn off climate control and just adjust fan and temperature.
My Honda seems to do a pretty good job with automatic climate control, I can't remember the last time I've taken it out of auto, I just adjust the temperature up/down a few degrees when needed and let the car figure out the right fan speed, recirc setting, which vents to use, etc.
Odd. My car has digital climate controls and all I have to do is set the temp I want. If it too cold, it will keep the fan low while the air coming into the cabin is cold and as it warms up, the fan speeds up until the cabin is at the temp I set. It also knows to blow hot air at my feet and the windshield (to melt frost) and blow cool air out the dash directly at me. I keep it set at 23C year round and since it's a heat pump, I don't even need to switch it between heat and cool mode. It's perfect. The settings can be overridden but there is no need.
Smartphones - while providing great utility in some areas, they are generally too distracting without a lot of tweaking. They also result in me having to repeat myself at people fiddling with their phones instead of listening.

Chatbots - as others mentioned.

Laptops - encourage bad posture, lots of PT and exercise to improve that. Self-control as well.

Smart watches - same reasons as phone. Lot of good and a lot of bad.

burning fossil fuels for energy, leaded gasoline, Facebook
Mobile parking apps
Wow, for me this is great. Admittedly I only have one for all the car parks around where I live, but apart from slight extra cost the experience has been great.
The concept of mobile parking apps is good, but the execution is pretty crappy. But then, i think, hey the fact that i have to drive a car because transit infrastructure is crap in America, and then i have to park said car (and all the annoyances that come with finding parking in some cities without getting tickets or worse towed away due to awfully written parking signage), and then to use a crappy mobile app to pay for said parking...it all makes me feel crappy all over. So, i submit that the crappy "tech" that has worsened our lives is the poor-planning of our American cities with their *car first* approach to design. Sure, the car can be considered both good and bad, mobile apps can be considered good and bad...but the design of our American cities itself that seemingly places cars above all else...wow, that takes the cake!

I do apologize for launching into a mild rant there...i guess i have deeper issues with mobile parking apps than i originally thought. ;-)

The aggressive push towards thin devices with questionable cooling combined with the ever increasing bloat in windows/office.

Seems to have eaten up all the gains from SSDs and more modern CPUs. The hardware gets better and excel stays slow

Windows was actually getting more resource efficient for a while around Windows 8 and 10 due to the emphasis on running Windows on low powered tablet devices. Then heartbleed etc hit and we lost a bunch of performance due to mitigation patches.
> Then MS Teams hit and we lost a bunch of performance due to crappy Electron apps.

FTFY

Super-bright halogen headlights. It's highly questionable that they really provide any benefit for the driver except in some relatively uncommon circumstances (where a classic high/low system would work fine), and they definitely blind everyone else. Overall result: negative.
IVRs / phone answering systems

when you need to get to a person and you don't fall within their voice prompt system you end up saying "operator" 7 times and then the computer is like "Did you want to talk to an operator?" and it says please enter your 10 digit phone number.. And you're stuck in hell for 10 minutes.

Modern thermometers to take my temperature (fever).

I bought already a couple of them, and somehow none of them seems to work well, or they are too sensitive and I can't figure out where to measure my temperature and what counts as fever.

I finally found some thermometers that I used when I was younger, and now I can reliably measure my temperature and I can tell what counts as fever.

They didn't actually made my life worse, I don't want to be that dramatic, but I definitely dislike them.

Have you tried digital ear thermometers? They work well enough for us, just based on the seeming consistency between "forehead feels hot" and "thermometer found a fever."
Had to go through 3 recently but finally found a digital one that fits the bill. Super fast and accurate. Shop around they are cheap so you can try a few before getting that good one.
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LED billboards
This surprised me. What's particularly bad about them? I mean, I don't love billboards, but I wouldn't think them being made of LEDs or not would make them worse.
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LED vehicle headlights. How long will it take before they figure out how to make them without burning out the retinas of the general public?
I think the bulk of this problem is just people not aiming their lights correctly.
Drivers shouldn't have to and generally cannot aim their headlights. Cars come like that from the manufacturer and/or garage after maintenance.
Sure, but after market kits for LED lights are pretty common and often are installed by the end user.
Huh, I wasn't aware of that. Shouldn't this be more tightly regulated, given that headlights are security features?
The bulk of the problem is that it's not even being recognized as a problem by municipalities, traffic safety administrations and police departments.

I shouldn't have to avoid driving after sunset because 80% of the general population are idiots who put LEDs in housings where LEDs shouldn't be used.

Emergency vehicles around here seem to be in some arms race to put more and more lights on them in every direction. So late at night as you head down the highway, you can suddenly see nothing except emergency vehicles, at the expense of seeing the road, debris, and unlit vehicles.
The number of times I've flashed someone thinking their brights are on only to get a blast of true brights.
-Pop music -social media -processed/junk foods -Bluetooth(depending on the device and the application, sometimes wires are just better)
Modern-day pop music: society's junk food for the ears.