My newsletter is making $2k per month with 7k subscribers – AMA

361 points by ryangilbert ↗ HN
Hi HN!

Roughly two years ago when the pandemic had people shifting to a WFH environment, I started a twice-weekly newsletter called Workspaces that gives readers a behind the scenes tour of their favorite entrepreneurs, designers, developers, etc. new desk setups.

Growth has remained consistent week to week, relying on the featured guests Twitter presence to help spread the word.

I have featured 175 workspaces to date (70+ more in the backlog) and have grown the newsletter to 7,000 subscribers while maintaining a >50% open rate.

I published the fist 117 editions of the newsletter without a sponsor. I had inbound requests but I was focused on growing the subscriber base as much as possible. With the new year, I shifted this focus slightly and began offering one sponsor slot per newsletter edition.

Since then, the newsletter has been sold out weekly and the price has risen from the initial $150 to $250, earning $2,000 per month from sponsorships.

I think it’s important to note that this was not an immediate cash cow… sending out 117 editions of a newsletter without receiving a dime can be draining. You have to truly enjoy the content you are putting out (I do!).

However, I think this shows that consistency rules and as long as you continue to show up, put out great content and iterate based on feedback you will continue to see your newsletter grow and ultimately the money will come.

Happy to answer any questions around newsletter growth, finding sponsors, etc!

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> I think it’s important to note that this was not an immediate cash cow…

Is it a cash cow?

Sorry I really should have something better to contribute!

$2,000 with $0 in expenses... maybe "cash cow" isn't the correct term but it's definitely not too shabby for something that was set up in 5 minutes ;)
"$0 in expenses", he has to put work in it. I would define any labor to be an expense. It is definitely not "free" money.
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I'm putting these together Sat/Sun morning while I sip my coffee. It's as close to free as it can be.
Investing 20 hours for $100 "self earned cash" on an own project feels somehow better than working 2 hours on a strangers project for $100.
The expense was the labor!
How much time do you put in into each edition (or during a month) on average?
How one starts with a newsletter? how did you attract your first 200 subscribers?
Great question!

Early on I made it a conscious effort to feature guests with larger followings than me. My hunch (which turned out to be correct) was that after the guests took the time to provide the content they would be very willing to share it with their networks.

Once the newsletter went out, I'd share the content on Twitter and tag the guest. 99% of guests go on to retweet or share in their own way after this.

How did you get those guests? I'm curious what your pitch is - it seems like a significant amount of work for them to provide pictures, identify their stuff and answer questions. Do they do it just because people love to share, or is there something else to it?
This is the cold DM I tend to send:

"Hi [name]! I publish a newsletter with x+ subscribers that highlights the workspaces of creative individuals and would love to include you. Let me know if you're at all interested! :)"

I think the earliest guests simply liked the idea of the project and thought it would be fun to share the workspace that they spend hours of their day in.

Now I think people agree because they are able to plug their projects in front of thousands of readers.

Does that work when "x" is 0? under 10? under 100?

What was the first "x" you used in that message early on? How did you get that many of initial subscribers?

It seems to me that the only way to bootstrap something like this is with ad spend or viral social media content that inspires people to subscribe, but that's sort of a chicken and egg problem if you don't already have wide reach.

I wouldn't give a # early on. Simply stated I was starting a newsletter that was highlighting creative workspaces.

I think these early guests simply loved the idea of being able to share their space with their community so probably gathered all of the content for themselves and then had no issue sharing with me as well.

I have never spent on ads or any sort of growth driver like that. All organic to this point.

It seems to me that the only way to bootstrap something like this is with ad spend or viral social media content that inspires people to subscribe, but that's sort of a chicken and egg problem if you don't already have wide reach.

It's not as chicken and egg as it may seem. Let's say you want to create a newsletter about, oh.. TCP/IP, say. You write some interesting articles about TCP/IP related topics, interview some people in the field, put together some cheat sheets or something.. build up a useful Web site about TCP/IP teasing your newsletter somewhere on each page, submit things from it to Hacker News, Reddit, and relevant places enough, and eventually something will work out.

How do you reach out to people to get them to be on your newsletter? I imagine now that you have a following it's easier, but what motivates people to actually say "yes", especially when you were starting out?

And somewhat related because you don't do this, but for newsletters that are more "news aggregator" types that collect various blog posts/info, do they typically reach out to the authors before including the links in the newsletter asking for permission?

Early on it was all Twitter DMs. I would DM handfuls of designers, developers, founders, etc each day. Once I had a few published spaces this became easier as I could quickly link to an example of what I was looking for.

Nowadays, it's mostly inbound requests to be featured. Every time I send a new edition out I get 1-2 requests from readers to be featured as well. This has led to the current backlog of 70+ spaces that I am currently working through.

Re the news aggregator type newsletters... I'm honestly not 100% positive. However, Workspaces as a whole and also specific editions have ended up in some of these and I was only notified after the fact (not a big deal IMO).

Supply and demand, time to start charging people to be featured ;)
Haha thought about doing that for offices/companies that are hiring!

Haven't fully thought out how that would look but it's definitely interesting...

Prioritize advertisers who share their desk and fit their link and company description in the story.
I've had multiple people comment on my workstation setup at the office, mostly because I have a variety of input devices on the table top that always catches peoples eyes: magic trackpad, Contour Roller Mouse Red, Goldtouch right hand semi-vertical mouse on a mouse bungee, and a Philips foot pedal. I have a left hand vertical mouse too but something with the driver or USB hub nullifies it while some another device is connected.

Since work from home took over I've moved all that equipment to a budget Costco standing desk that seems to be a popular model on the warehouse floor https://www.costco.com/tresanti-47%22-adjustable-height-desk.... I think I paid like $275 on sale sometime last year.

I've modified that desk by fabricating a bracket on it to secure a Workrite Banana Board keyboard tray. I've also ceased using the mouse bungee at home since the bracket serves as a cable holder with a cable clip routing the wires. There's some other minor stuff like an old KVM switch and a DC barrel plug switch to restart the KVM switch when it misbehaves.

Does that sound like something interesting to feature?

Yeah! Want to send me a DM so we can kick this off? https://twitter.com/rjgilbert
I'm not on twitter. I'll sign up to the substack and reply to the next feed. I understand they're configured to go to some email that forwards to the author, is that accurate?
for newsletters that are more "news aggregator" types that collect various blog posts/info, do they typically reach out to the authors before including the links in the newsletter asking for permission?

I've run a network of around 10 newsletters of this type for about 10 years now and no, extremely rarely (usually only if something is obviously being kept on the down low or if a flood of traffic would be likely to cause problems, such as personal projects that use a lot of bandwidth). It hasn't been a problem though. People are generally very happy to get the attention and visitors in my field, but all of our links are positive and shining a spotlight in style, not criticism or making fun, etc.

How do you monetize? Sponsors? Affiliate links?
A mix of both.

I sell one sponsor slot per edition. The current rate is $250 and I send 8 newsletters per month. This slot is sold out months in advance and the price should probably be bumped up.

I have Amazon affiliate links where it makes sense on the blog posts themselves but this only generates a couple hundred on the best months. I should also invest more time into this going forward.

So to be clear, your email newsletter costs nothing to subscribers, but your income is through selling that sponsor slot? That's interesting. I wouldn't have imagined there's so much money to make in email newsletters from advertisements
Correct! It's 100% free to sign up as a reader of the newsletter and all the revenue comes from sponsors putting their message in front of these readers.
congrats on the success, it sounds pretty awesome, and thanks for sharing your story
What do your readers hope to get out of the newsletter? Are they looking for inspiration in their own WFH setups or looking to mimic what successful people do? It seems like a "Tools of Titans but for WFH setups" Do you have any plans for your future growth, or just seeing where it takes you at this point?
I think it's a mix of things.

I definitely think some readers are hoping to get some sort of inspiration for their own setups as they either upgrade or begin to WFH more consistently.

I think another group of readers simply like the voyeuristic nature of peaking into their peers workspaces to see how they might compare.

Re future growth... adding a nice visual site to complement the newsletter soon. Very soon!

In building products, no matter what your size, I have noticed that you must consistently market. There's no letting up.

Often times people talk about products that create promoters and are good enough that you have users that eventually promote the good for you, but in my experience this is exceptionally rare.

Growth also comes in bursts based on advertising events. That may be, for example, by social media presence with responding to topics on threads that are relevant to your product.

I am curious about your general experiences, and if they align with mine.

Totally agree! Consistency is the most important lesson in all of this.

I didn't make a single dollar until the 118th edition. 117 editions of doing it simply because I (and the readers) enjoyed this little hobby.

It also took over 400 days for the newsletter to get its first 1,000 subscribers. It would have been very easy to give up on the project in the early days when I wasn't seeing a ton of growth.

Consistency >

I’ve been subscribed for a couple months and it’s been great. A lot more signal-to-noise than most subreddits on the topic. Don’t lose/change the format for most of your newsletters, it’s great as is.
Link for those curious: https://www.workspaces.xyz/
Thank you! I was looking for a link so I could subscribe but the OP neglected to provide one.
I am OP... :)
You are the original poster but this isn't the original post.
I posted the original top post about the newsletter making 2k (because it's my newsletter) as well as this comment with the link.

lol wtf

They are saying you should have just posted the link in the top/original post itself rather than as a comment. That's usually how it goes on HN so that people don't have to search for your specific comment with the link, they can just go to the post and see it there.
Wanted this to be more of an AMA on the what and how vs “hey subscribe”!
How exactly would you expect someone to ask questions when you don't include a way for them to see what you're talking about?

My first question to your original post would be: "where's the link so I can see what you built?"

That's okay. On HN, unlike Reddit for example, self-promotion is fine, as long as it's done tastefully as you've done. There's no problem with posting your link in the original post, people actually want to see what you've built.
There are two different definitions of OP. Original poster and Original post. The original poster is the person that made the original post. The parent was hoping that the link would be on the original post and not on a comment which could be under many other threads.
And I'm now a subscriber! :)
I am a subscriber since your early days and I enjoy every bit of your post.
Thank you! Do you have a personal favorite?
I remember I liked Gavin Nelson’s workspace. It was so minimal for a designer his caliber. I enjoyed Alex Cornell’s too.

If I may suggest, it would be cool to include screenshots of their workspace on both desktop and phone. But may be that is too much to ask from them. Anyway thank you for creating a refreshing newsletter!

Both great spaces!

That's a good suggestion... I'll see if I can include that a bit going forward.

Fellow workspace design publisher here (https://officesnapshots.com) – Nice work!

I started a home office site ~13 years ago and wasn't able to ever make it happen so I am glad to hear that someone has cracked the code.

If it's any consolation I used your site at the beginning of the pandemic to get a photo from our office to use as a virtual background. You know, back when virtual backgrounds were new and it was still funny to fool people into thinking you're in the office (which was closed).
Anyone remember usesthis.com?
This reminded me of usesthis.com too
people are paying $250 per month for a newsletter about wfh desk setups? not to be jest but i did understand correctly...?
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Sponsors are paying $250 to get their message in front of 7,000+ subscribers who are interested in wfh desk content.

The individual readers subscribe for free.

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Advertisers are paying to sponsor the newsletter, to reach the readers. The readers are not paying anything (it appears). The author went with a sponsorship model.
Perhaps that's the price for placing an ad, and the news letter goes out w/ 2 ads, weekly?
Exactly! Sorry if that wasn't clear in the original post.
Kudos!

Although it's an entirely different type of content/business, this reminds me of Humans of New York. [1] There seems to be a broad desire for simple, consistent content about the lives of everyday people. I think it may be a reaction to the increasing unreality of most larger media outlets, which have become very contrived and overly-optimized.

If I were looking to start a newsletter, I would pick a similar everyday topic.

1. https://www.humansofnewyork.com

Agreed!

I think the consistent and predictable content is also what leads to the high engagement around it.

You don't have to worry about opening the newsletter not knowing if you will need to set aside 30 minutes to read an essay. Each newsletter is very visual and can be read in just a couple of minutes.

Yeah, I think you've hit the bullseye on a sweet-spot for newsletter content. You can glean a lot, quickly, from a photo of someone's workspace.

Congrats on the success!

This was much more interesting than I expected.

I have always been interested in how other people work, prioritize, think, their workflow and tools, and this really spoke to that interest.

Here were some surprises:

-- I was much more interested in their software than hardware.

-- I was most interested in their physical set up. This told me more about workflow than I imagined.

-- Everyone has a camera and mic these days -- table stakes -- but people had much fancier camera/mic setups than I do.

-- I also have a pad and pen. I was interested to see some people had set up a mini-teleprompter by putting their pad next to their screen.

Good to know about the software vs hardware angle... I wonder how many readers feel the same? I'll look to add a poll in the newsletter soon to find out! :)
Oh nice, a Milwaukee guy! Cool newsletter, for one reason or another I have always been interested in desk setups.
Milwaukee!

Yeah... when people started tweeting pictures of their spaces I was instantly drawn to them for my own inspiration. I figured others might be too!

Some years ago in a startup we had a 10k subscriber newsletter for event locations and made much much more per month than $2000. You might be too cheap.

[Edit] Especially with that backlog.

Been thinking it might be time to up prices! The slots have been sold out months in advance so it's hard to factor in growth when booking.

I do pause new sponsors from time to time when I book out too far to give myself a chance to reevaluate.

Did these sponsors just start contacting you inbound or did you do cold outreach?
All have been inbound with the exception of one sponsor who I thought would be a perfect fit for the audience. They agreed and bought two slots.
A better question to ask imho would be what improvements you can make on a larger budget.
Have you looked at any of the email newsletter sponsor marketplaces? I'm asking as your sponsor prices seem a bit low (I would guess you could probably get nearly double what you are).
I did awhile ago and found that many of them charged on the publisher side (and a hefty % at that) so I was instantly turned off.

I have enjoyed working with sponsors who read the newsletter themselves too. It hasn't been too much work (only publishing twice per week).

My main concern when raising prices is always if that will create a gap in sponsors. I'd rather have every slot booked at a lower price than have gaps at a higher price. This is less about the actual money hitting my bank account and more about how potential sponsors would view this. If they see gaps they may conclude that the price isn't worth it...

I can vouch for not being reliant on ad marketplaces and instead having personal contact with your advertisers.

One way to increase your fees is to keep pricing the same for existing advertisers for a while and charge a higher rate to new advertisers. As you fill in spots with higher priced ads you can then transition older customers to the new rates.

I like this approach!

Also - I've found that the personal contact with sponsors has made them likely to rebook or simply book additional slots up front.

I have a targeted newsletter as well with about 8000 unique opens per week (out of a total active list of 30k) which I am using to boost sales on a Shopify store, and I also re-purpose the content as blog posts. I have also been thinking about sponsorships but do not know where to start. What are the requirements of the sponsors in terms of graphics, text, placement, links, tracking, and analytics? Do they demand email addresses of your readers?
I start all of the sponsor slot with "A Message From sponsor name".

After that they provide me with ~250 or so characters of text (not too strict on this) as well as text + link for a CTA button.

Outside of that, there are no demands from their end. Some ask for the Click Rate after the fact and some don't. If they ask I give it to them.

The main back and forth with sponsors is that when they book multiple slots they often want to test multiple versions of copy and/or CTA button.

What's your process for securing sponsors for the newsletter? How is the sponsor slot integrated into the email?
Every month or so I add a short blurb at the beginning of a newsletter asking for sponsors and laying out my current metrics. This always leads to multiple readers replying with interest.

The typical sponsor has gone on to book 4 slots at a time (I do not offer a bulk discount - this is just what they tend to do).

The slot is integrated right after the intro blurb and before the guest's content. I offer them a headline, some text (not too strict on character count as long as it isn't crazy) and a CTA button.

Here’s an past example of a sponsor pitch from April:

I have two sponsor slots open next weekend. Reply to this email if you’re interested in learning more about sponsoring Workspaces!

Some quick numbers: 5,700 subscribers 55% open rate

______________

Source and AD example in link below:

https://www.workspaces.xyz/p/149-allan-grinshtein

Wow, is that the full extent of your sales efforts? Your readers happen to include enough interested sponsors that you've been able to sell out your slots just by asking your audience? That's awesome!
Yep! I have a very engaged audience - many who have their own side projects or work for companies that fit the perfect sponsor demographic.

I think I have gotten very lucky in this regard and it might change if prices go up.

I am suspicious of this project: the real goal is clearly to get people to clean their desks. And it is effective!
Haha some people have actually said no because previous guests had too clean of desks!

I promise that I welcome all workspaces - clean and dirty!

It looks like you are up to 175 posts of various workspaces. I didn't look at each one, but all the ones I saw were nicely staged, organized workspaces. Did you get any submissions for 'real workspaces' with stacks of books, papers all over the place, and sticky-notes all around the monitors? If you did, did you reject them?

I too, have a newsletter that I started last year about data management. I only have about a hundred subscribers so far, but I am trying to grow it with interesting articles about how computers organize, process, and analyze all kinds of data. https://didgets.substack.com/

If I get a few thousand subscribers like you, I might look for sponsors too.

I don't reject them for being "messy"! I didn't anticipate so many people cleaning their desks off before their feature but that is what many have opted to do.

Here's some "real" ones:

https://www.workspaces.xyz/p/106-michele-hansen

https://www.workspaces.xyz/p/070-alex-wilhelm

Doesn't surprise me that Alex didn't go nuts to make his space look "perfect." I met him a couple years ago back and he was a really nice, smart, and incredibly authentic kinda guy. It even comes through in his interview:

"Some sort of ergo-friendly chair that I bought online" "Apple Watch in case I work out"

Haha yeah I'm glad he kept his space as is!
I won't presume to speak for the owner of this newsletter, but I do receive it, and I'd just say: "I don't want to see messy spaces." The whole point of seeing other people's workspaces is for inspiration – what are ways I could organize my desk, what are some neat things I might want to add, what tech is out there I could purchase to make me like my workspace better. My workspace sometimes look messy, but I always clean up before people come over, so it's kinda the same thing here? I'm sure lots of these folks let their workspaces look lived-in normally, but that's not what we're here for.
OP here - thanks for the thoughts around this! I don't ask guests to clean their spaces beforehand but I totally understand why many do.
Ryan never asked me to clean anything. However, I find it hard to work in messy spaces, so my workspace rarely looks like a "real" one.
Have any of the workspaces you've posted led to you making changes in your workspace?

Have you ever posted your workspace?

Yes, actually! I have bought a few things after seeing them showcased in some workspaces.

I have also bought some artwork that a few of the featured guests created - partly to support/thank them and partly because I loved the art.