Ask HN: Where to find people who love to learn?
I love learning new things. Reading new books on unfamiliar subjects, practicing intensely for months to develop a new skill, talking with an expert and absorbing decades of wisdom as they share a lifetime of experience.
When I was younger I thought this was the normal mode. As time goes on I've realized not a lot of people I know enjoy learning this way.
Where can I go to find people with a deep love of learning, not for money or a credential but just for the pure joy of it.
Universities? Libraries?
Suggestions appreciated!
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I don’t wanna say she takes the university life for granted, but I can’t say she understands what it’s like to work in a place where you’re the one and only curious, well-read person.
EDIT: janitors, bellhops, and waitstaff are much more interesting than office plankton. But there is no culture of reading and learning in either context.
You mentioned, that you practice intensely for months to develop a skill, talking to experts etc. I have recently started on a similar path to strengthen my fundamental skills in my subject area and, that means, learning solo and working on various domain topics for many years. Do you have any general advice on learning topics intensely for months, just curious about your personal approach to learning solo.
From an expert point of view, where is motivation of tolerating adult "curiosities"? I can easily tolerate a 5-year old who genuinely curious and assumes no base of understanding, which I can enjoy building my explanations from ground up. You get the satisfaction of filling an empty cup and and occasionally, the naive 5-year-old may seriously challenge your fundamental understanding and you yourself learn something. Not all 5-year-olds are like that, and extremely rare to find such adults.
I think the people you are looking for, with "a deep love of learning", is every where. For example, who love reading popular books on subjects that they are not familiar. That is why there are so many popular non-fiction books. But, are you sure that you are actually seeking each other out?
IMO, if you are truly with "a deep love of learning", study text books and take MIT open courses, and then read scientific papers. Then you will find those experts -- they are always listed in the references with contact associations.
This is common when a newbie discuss with an expert and when the newbie assumes certain understanding that are in fact incorrect or should be redefined. When the expert try to explain or correct that basis, in a way of explaining why the question was a wrong question, it may often be perceived as lack of respect -- one deserves to ask an question without the question being attacked, right?
The "asshole" is uncalled for.
> ... it's possible to enjoy learning without being an asshole about it
The perspective might be that the people asking off-base questions are being disrespectful by not bothering to understand what they would like to ask.
Anyway, if it helps: I do not think you were really being an asshole but I can see how a person might have thought that you were assuming others to be assholes.
Trying to find relevant examples and activities to teach just this one thing, using all previously learned things, is an enjoyable intellectual exercise by itself.
I too would like to share more of my immediate world with passionate people who are curious and creative. I find small talk and beer and football at the cafe to be boring. I actually went to a debate salon the other day just to hear some actual thought behind the mindless typical chatter.
The question was about how to meet people who love to learn.
You suggested that they contact authors of papers in some subject that interests them.
Both your comment and your suggestion precisely place the OP in a position where they are exactly what you describe: a newbie begging for crumbs from a big person.
I rather did get the sense that the OP wants to meet interested and interesting people, people with a passion for learning. I did presume for peer level friendship and mutual joy, rather than the up-dog/down-dog game you suggest.
Sounds kinda like HN
so I guess HN is a good place.
Local chapters of academic societies (like INFORMS for operations research). Lots of people love to talk shop and learn what other people are doing.
Taking adult education courses at a good university will help you meet such people as well.
Meetups — hit or miss. Some are self filtering like functional programming or philosophy but if you go to a cloud computing meet up you’re likely to meet people who are there for professional reasons. They’re curious too but more for the sake of their jobs.
Bear in mind that these are people curious about specific things. If you want to find well rounded individuals that are curious about lots of things, well they’re rare and there’s unlikely to be a watering hole where they congregate because the intersecting set of interests between them is likely small. University clubs might be an avenue but if you’re no longer in school they’re not really accessible to you.
The fact that someone chooses to spend their free time watching a presentation or participating in a technical discussion is a pretty strong signal that they love to learn. There are usually a few people who attend for recruiting or networking purposes, but that's pretty obvious when you meet them.
Relatedly, a lot of the people who present at meetings like this are among the most avid learners, assuming they're not delivering a sales pitch.
Being in an environment of exploration is best. Non-profits, foundations geared towards research, etc.
I've not had much luck, finding these places, but, TBH, I haven't really looked. I've generally spent my entire adult life, focused on delivering product, and that has plenty of room for learning. I come from an ... eclectic ... educational background, and often find myself being shunned by those from more traditional backgrounds, so I've learned to find my own way.
Teachers are generally good for the kind of thing you are talking about. They need to keep learning stuff. Trainers for things like bootcamps need to stay up to date. They are also likely to have patience for those still on the journey.
Some of the high-score people on StackOverflow are actually fairly impressive, and are all about learning, but I do get a bit tired of looking up their noses.
interested in math, CS, languages, biology, philosophy, history, pretty much everything it's a problem
Their motto is "never graduate."
I hang out in corners of physics, ML, EA, and Progress Studies Twitter and have made some great connections that have turned into real friendships IRL.
Often the next step after meeting on Twitter is setting up a video chat to have a deeper conversation together, but eventually I like to set up nice walk and talks on hikes or around cities.
I now have great friends that I make an effort to see in person in cities around the US and Europe!
Just pick one that interests you and involves being social - it is a little hard to find the ones who are happy mastering living in the woods by themselves, nor will they be thrilled to see you if you do find them :)
Honestly, these are wildly different forms of "learning" and you're unlikely to find a community engaged in all three.
Tons of book clubs exist if you just want to talk about the latest Malcom Gladwell book. Or discuss whatever pop-sci flavor of the month shows up on TED recently. Over time I've become a bit disillusioned with this form as learning because authors tend to both simplify reality, and overstate the reliability of research findings. Sometimes its not exactly their fault when science is retracted but it suggests that focusing on "new" is less useful. When I realize I've forgotten most of what I've read, it makes me feel slightly less anxious about how wrong much of it was.
For skill acquisition, affinity communities on the skill: juggling, knitting, cycling, language, art, chess, sports all have clubs and similar. These tend to focus on continual honing of expertise in the area, instead of acquiring a skill and moving on to another.
For learning from experts, well, conferences and symposiums abound. And again, they cluster around topic instead of mode of learning. Conferences are usually about publishing new findings and pushing the frontier of the unknown forward but its a much harder, slower and difficult task than learning settled science from a textbook. You can learn about astrophysics without knowing what a z-score is but its definitely something to be aware of when attempting to convince the expert community of a new fact.
MasterClasses are often kind of an interview format you may enjoy, and if you seek in person formats, sometimes colleges and museums hold public seminars, and some day soon may resume.